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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 18:40:43 GMT -5
Gotta wonder how many AEW would have signed out of Rich Swann, Lio, ACH, Keith Lee, Shane Strickland, Ricochet if WWE hadn't gone on a hiring spree signing up every big name free agent. If ACH can rehab his image he could end up there, he's back wrestling.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 1, 2022 19:05:22 GMT -5
I am grateful that Tony has people in the company that are willing to help him and help him understand. And hopefully, if he listens, which I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt he will, then it’s a positive for everyone. Sometimes you have to f*** up really bad to learn a hard lesson. I don’t think Tony is racist or a horrible person, he’s shown he’s pretty ignorant and probably out of touch on that aspect. Being son of a billionaire and being a billionaire himself does that to people, as great if a Booker he is and how mostly fan friendly he is, he’s still a 1% guy.
So I feel like if he learns from this, and listens to people Lio, Shawn Dean and others, then this whole thing could end in a positive.
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Post by markymark on Jan 1, 2022 19:25:59 GMT -5
I am grateful that Tony has people in the company that are willing to help him and help him understand. And hopefully, if he listens, which I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt he will, then it’s a positive for everyone. Sometimes you have to f*** up really bad to learn a hard lesson. I don’t think Tony is racist or a horrible person, he’s shown he’s pretty ignorant and probably out of touch on that aspect. Being son of a billionaire and being a billionaire himself does that to people, as great if a Booker he is and how mostly fan friendly he is, he’s still a 1% guy. So I feel like if he learns from this, and listens to people Lio, Shawn Dean and others, then this whole thing could end in a positive.I hope TK signs Swerve, he is also another person who can help him in that subject imo.(he is close friends with Swole)
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 19:29:37 GMT -5
I am grateful that Tony has people in the company that are willing to help him and help him understand. And hopefully, if he listens, which I will try to give him the benefit of the doubt he will, then it’s a positive for everyone. Sometimes you have to f*** up really bad to learn a hard lesson. I don’t think Tony is racist or a horrible person, he’s shown he’s pretty ignorant and probably out of touch on that aspect. Being son of a billionaire and being a billionaire himself does that to people, as great if a Booker he is and how mostly fan friendly he is, he’s still a 1% guy. So I feel like if he learns from this, and listens to people Lio, Shawn Dean and others, then this whole thing could end in a positive.I hope TK signs Swerve, he is also another person who can help him in that subject imo.(he is close friends with Swole)
I think had Swerve taken the AEW deal the first time around he'd be 1 of the 4 pillars.
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 1, 2022 19:29:50 GMT -5
After all of this mess, I'm happy to see Lio's tweet. It's not a resolution but appears to be a step in the right direction. Hopefully, Khan can have some productive conversations with people about both working on the level of representation and how to react to criticism in the future.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 1, 2022 19:34:09 GMT -5
Glad he is listening to Lio, who vastly went up in my estimation through this. But TK needs to wipe that tweet and address this. He made this a public shitshow.
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 19:37:14 GMT -5
I finally got a chance to listen to Grapsody Dean comes off really well.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 1, 2022 19:40:40 GMT -5
I finally got a chance to listen to Grapsody Dean comes off really well. Shawn Dean is a really mature dude and there's a reason why he's trusted with coordinating extras. Everyone seems to really like him as well.
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 1, 2022 19:41:11 GMT -5
Ehh. A lot (but not all) of his "attitude problems" were just him refusing to go along with backstage duespaying bullshit, which actually strikes me as a pretty mature thing to do. Yeah, dude is my favorite wrestler. He got a bad rap mostly because the WWE PR machine dragged him through the mud for not keeping his head down and just being happy to be there more than anything he actually did or said. Yeah prior to WWE he had a bad rep as being arrogant and such but him signing and becoming a father really humbled him and I was mad that people agreed with Mark Henrys BS. The paying your dues stuff pisses me off
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Mochi Lone Wolf
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jan 1, 2022 19:45:16 GMT -5
Sign Chris Bey since Impact clearly doesn’t know what to do with him.
He already has a ton of history with guys like Lio Rush, Jungle Boy, Lee Moriarty, and others. He’d even be a great rival for Adam Cole.
Not to mention Bey, like Rush, has crossover potential with his rap career.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2022 19:46:54 GMT -5
Think Khans problem is hes Micheal Scott/David Brent, wants to please everyone but doesn't really understand what makes people tick and pisses everyone off as a result. Wouldn't be surprised if he started AEW to make friends. Not a bad guy but y'know...we've all worked with one, they're cool in small doses.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 1, 2022 19:50:52 GMT -5
For the most part, I think we've already gone over everything that needs to be said in this thread, but there's one more point to touch on that Swole brought up: Disorganization, lack of structure. Because yes, this does play into the homogenous makeup of the featured talent. They can't primarily rely on talent to pitch their own angles, because that's inevitably going to lead to the boss's friends and/or the people closest to the boss's wavelength in terms of priorities and ideas getting the best treatment. That doesn't even require conscious bias on anyone's part, it's an inevitable consequence of the format. It's probably the biggest single factor in why the vast majority of emphasized talent in AEW are some variation of nerdy white men.
There needs to be a framework in place backstage for a long-term vision on how they want their talent to develop and how they need to present them to get them there. There's a giant middle ground between WWE's micromanagement and "just pitch your own storylines, bro" anarchy, and they need to get there.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 1, 2022 19:57:16 GMT -5
Sign Chris Bey since Impact clearly doesn’t know what to do with him. He already has a ton of history with guys like Lio Rush, Jungle Boy, Lee Moriarty, and others. He’d even be a great rival for Adam Cole. Not to mention Bey, like Rush, has crossover potential with his rap career. I dunno how long Bey signed for in Impact, but I thought him joining up with Bullet Club would've given him a pretty big push in Impact. Maybe not world title level, but upper midcard at least. Instead, he was stuck in a neverending feud with FinJuice. Really disappointed with that.
If he went to AEW, he'd probably be able to keep the BC association since they're on good terms with NJPW, too. But if they wanted to quietly drop his affiliation, he's a great face worker, as well.
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Post by markymark on Jan 1, 2022 20:57:47 GMT -5
For the most part, I think we've already gone over everything that needs to be said in this thread, but there's one more point to touch on that Swole brought up: Disorganization, lack of structure. Because yes, this does play into the homogenous makeup of the featured talent. They can't primarily rely on talent to pitch their own angles, because that's inevitably going to lead to the boss's friends and/or the people closest to the boss's wavelength in terms of priorities and ideas getting the best treatment. That doesn't even require conscious bias on anyone's part, it's an inevitable consequence of the format. It's probably the biggest single factor in why the vast majority of emphasized talent in AEW are some variation of nerdy white men. There needs to be a framework in place backstage for a long-term vision on how they want their talent to develop and how they need to present them to get them there. There's a giant middle ground between WWE's micromanagement and "just pitch your own storylines, bro" anarchy, and they need to get there.
That was mostly about the women division last year and she wasnt wrong, there was no one who was helping it which explains for example why Shidas reign was poorly booked
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Post by Mecca on Jan 1, 2022 21:13:43 GMT -5
I know if someone saying that AEW needs to do better by black people and then handed me a flash drive then I'd quietly put it away and not look at what was on it. Maybe he gave Tony the wrong flash drive so Tony opened it and was like....2 girls 1 cup..that sick bastard. On second thought being a wrestler the drive likely said...put the title on me and then I beat everybody, Hardcore Holly style.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jan 1, 2022 21:27:45 GMT -5
For the most part, I think we've already gone over everything that needs to be said in this thread, but there's one more point to touch on that Swole brought up: Disorganization, lack of structure. Because yes, this does play into the homogenous makeup of the featured talent. They can't primarily rely on talent to pitch their own angles, because that's inevitably going to lead to the boss's friends and/or the people closest to the boss's wavelength in terms of priorities and ideas getting the best treatment. That doesn't even require conscious bias on anyone's part, it's an inevitable consequence of the format. It's probably the biggest single factor in why the vast majority of emphasized talent in AEW are some variation of nerdy white men. There needs to be a framework in place backstage for a long-term vision on how they want their talent to develop and how they need to present them to get them there. There's a giant middle ground between WWE's micromanagement and "just pitch your own storylines, bro" anarchy, and they need to get there. That has been discussed not only in the women's threads that popped up but also from guys like Henry, Wight, Jericho, and Miro about things they needed to work on. I think Rosa, Serena, and Ruby are all essentially player coaches for the women. I think you are seeing the changes as Tony's circle for booking has changed TBH
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 1, 2022 21:28:26 GMT -5
Maybe he gave Tony the wrong flash drive so Tony opened it and was like....2 girls 1 cup..that sick bastard. On second thought being a wrestler the drive likely said...put the title on me and then I beat everybody, Hardcore Holly style. He had an idear?
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 1, 2022 21:53:28 GMT -5
Gotta wonder how many AEW would have signed out of Rich Swann, Lio, ACH, Keith Lee, Shane Strickland, Ricochet if WWE hadn't gone on a hiring spree signing up every big name free agent. We went over a lot of those names when a thread like this last popped up, and it's pretty jarring: a lot of those guys signed with WWE very soon before or just as AEW was getting off the ground, and meantime you had Lethal, Shane Taylor, Kenny King, and others already signed to ROH (Lethal's another one who got an offer when AEW was starting, but he apparently wanted to stay loyal to Ring of Honor), plus Mack, Swann, and Moose all inked already at Impact (Swann and Moose had some outside the ring issues that could've been hindrances to contract offers, but have by all accounts been solid citizens for a good while now). Thus you had AEW instead signing some younger guys over the first couple of years that they could put time into developing (Private Party, Top Flight, Acclaimed, Hobbs, etc.), but it meant it'd be awhile before they'd be near the top. Now that a lot of those guys are available, we've seen Lethal signed and yeah, I really have to assume they've got Keith Lee and Strickland on their radar, because they'd be crazy not to have them there. Lee has instant title shot credibility ala Lance Archer and Brodie Lee and could easily be built into a consistent top act, and Strickland might not have entirely the same hype as Adam Cole, but could be brought in with a push pretty damn near that level without anyone finding it strange. I'll keep pounding the drum that Shane Taylor is one of the best possible signings post-ROH releases that not enough people are talking about, but I also would love to see him get into NJPW since I feel like he can work throwback strong style with the best of them. Still, he'd be a great addition to AEW and bring an in-ring style that would stand out. As for the "lack of structure" thing, I can kind of see where that's coming from: Swole basically said that Khan values people proposing their own character/story ideas and advocating for those ideas, which can be tough for people who aren't used to that or people with language barriers, which could explain some of the pulling back on joshis being highlighted once Khan took over more of the booking (though absences due to the pandemic no doubt played a role there, too). She also said that given how much Khan was booking or that Kenny was doing both in and out of the ring, the guys you need to go to could be "stretched thin" to the point where people who aren't super comfortable talking up their ideas could have trouble getting heard. In that case, yeah, it sounds good that there appear to be more "player-coaches" around lately; it maybe well have played a role in things like Riho getting this title shot, building up the Shida-Deeb and now the Statlander-Hersch feud, etc. Over in New Japan it's well known that Gedo is the head booker, but he's got guys like Jado, Jushin Liger, and Hiroshi Tanahashi all helping book different parts of the card and different feuds (there's also Dick Togo, but I know House of Torture is juuuuust a bit of a touchy subject for a lot of folks right now), and that's for a roster that's notably smaller than AEW's. If Khan is really trying to cover everything, that's not realistic; he can be the final word on things, but it's good if more voices (note: *not* pre-scripting writers) are involved in coordinating with the wrestlers and helping them pitch ideas, or even booking entire segments or divisions on their own with just a bit of oversight.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 1, 2022 22:52:20 GMT -5
You gotta respect Tony Khan's commitment to the wrestling industry, shooting himself in the foot to give the wrestling news media a story to talk about during the quiet new year period! If he’d just said nothing, New York would’ve, I dunno, booked a DQ in a PPV title match tomorrow and all the chat would be about that. Instead, they have these legitimate diversity issues that a lot of people sensed that they had, basically shoved into the spotlight, and now they have to actually start showing the effort to work through them. Good old reliable New York. This’ll get the heat off of Tony. May as well lock the thread now. ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png)
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jan 1, 2022 23:06:47 GMT -5
If he’d just said nothing, New York would’ve, I dunno, booked a DQ in a PPV title match tomorrow and all the chat would be about that. Instead, they have these legitimate diversity issues that a lot of people sensed that they had, basically shoved into the spotlight, and now they have to actually start showing the effort to work through them. Good old reliable New York. This’ll get the heat off of Tony. May as well lock the thread now. ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) I honestly can't believe it.
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