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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 2, 2022 11:44:34 GMT -5
Correct He needs to address it. If he wants to leave it up "to own for his mistakes" fine but the fact he is leaving it and saying NOTHING!!!! only makes him look more shitty. Talking to Lio could be pure lip service if isn't addressing this fiasco You (TK) quick to open your mouth to talk shit, well be quick to apologize and show some type of contrition If he wants to make an example of himself he's still gotta at least walk it back. Say it was unnecessary and hurtful and he's sorry, and he's keeping it up to hold himself accountable. But given the personal attack on Swole, frankly if she wants it down it should be down no matter what. Like him meeting with Lio? That's good, hopefully. I said pages back he needed to talk to the black talent on his roster and air this shit out. If he wants to commit to doing better he needsto work back and start with this. Leaving it up with no comment is standing by it. I agree He still needs to say something and leaving it up is making it seem like you are okay with what you said which is going to piss some talent off while others may be fine with it. Meeting with Lio is fine and dandy BUT he walked back Tony Khan must apologize statements he was making as well. For TK, if you are so quick to open your mouth to "shut down haters" but quick to shut the f*** up when you are wrong, that isn't a good look. If I was a black wrestler on his roster, I am pissed. Man up, apologize and then you can talk to us when we get to TV but you need some type of meaningful statement to show you realize you was wrong. Otherwise, it feels like you think your shit don't stink Even if you aren't a minority on the roster, you should still feel some way. The fact he feels comfortable saying I let you go cause you were trash is unacceptable
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 2, 2022 11:46:07 GMT -5
Even if you overlook all the diversity stuff for a second, he should delete it (or even better, never have posted it in the first place) simply for calling her a bad wrestler. I don't care if he thinks she's the drizzling shits someone in his position of power shouldn't be doing stuff like that. Like I think Von Wagner is an awful wrestler but I would feel terrible for the guy and think it was bullshit if he was let go then Vince/Stephanie felt the need to publicly say he sucked.
There are many, many privileges you get as the son of a billionaire and owning your own company. One of the few drawbacks is you don't get to talk down to your "lowly workers" like that without looking like an asshole. Amazon could have some random ex-employee who won't stop going on about how much the company sucks but I still don't ever want to hear Jeff Bezos himself come out and publicly say the person was a shitty worker. He should be above petty stuff like that.
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Post by flowercity on Jan 2, 2022 11:47:57 GMT -5
The want/need for TK to delete is insane. If he has listened like Lio says what’s the use? Is it better to delete history and hide from it or acknowledge it and move on? What does deleting help? Did he really listen tho Lio says he listened but he could have just easily bullshitted Lio as well. Yes, he should apologize for insulting Swole and her ability.
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Post by Celgress on Jan 2, 2022 11:59:03 GMT -5
Once TK signs and pushes hard Keith Lee this will all go away. But seriously, like Brandi, TK needs to stay off Social Media. Hell, I recommend EVERYONE stays off Social Media especially Twitter these days.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 2, 2022 12:12:21 GMT -5
And one last thing if Tony Khan does decide to apologise in writing, then hopefully he doesn’t use the “I’m sorry if people were offended by…” line because at some point uoi need to put the shovel down.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 2, 2022 12:27:39 GMT -5
This whole thing would have been just another wrestling story that would have passed by, but the reason there’s 43 pages on this message board about it because of Tony Khan and not big swole. So the fallout is his fault and as I’ve already said I can’t understand why he looked at that tweet that he’s written and somewhere in his head he decided “This will end well”, and for a guy who’s seems intelligent and clued in it was woefully tone deaf. It really really takes effort to have people say “well even vince McMahon wouldn’t do that”, and hopefully Tony can learn from this because if he does than great, but we need to see actions and not just words. Yes and No This would still be a story because she is saying something with diversity that has been talked about and now outright confirmed by a POC who was on the roster. It wouldn't have been 40 something pages but it would hit double digits With TK doing his I got black friends defense, he basically confirmed what some of us has thought and the fact that he thought it was cool to post and still hasn't apologized has now put him in a negative light. You still have some people trying to somehow frame Swole as being bitter or trying to pick holes when what she said was constructive criticism. That was already a thread worth talking about since we have already but TK threw fire on it and now this won't be something that will stay active for a very long time I'm still arguing with fools who tell me "no POC deserves to be in the ME of AEW" so it kinda validates TK because his diehard fans don't see issues with an all white ME scene
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 2, 2022 12:28:55 GMT -5
There is one and really one person he needs to apologize to, publicly and privately. Swole.
The rest needs to be fixed via booking.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 2, 2022 12:37:42 GMT -5
There is one and really one person he needs to apologize to, publicly and privately. Swole. The rest needs to be fixed via booking. Nah. He specifically dragged others into it by name, at least one of whom expressed mixed feelings about it. This needs to be public.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 2, 2022 12:43:58 GMT -5
There is one and really one person he needs to apologize to, publicly and privately. Swole. The rest needs to be fixed via booking. Nah. He specifically dragged others into it by name, at least one of whom expressed mixed feelings about it. This needs to be public. I actually forgot that he also propped up a bunch of tokens. He needs to apologize to them too. Publicly and privately.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Jan 2, 2022 13:22:16 GMT -5
On the nicer side, I really liked what she said about Abadon, it really reflects all the work she’s been doing, and the results shown on social media and on Dark.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 13:28:55 GMT -5
Nah, Tony has to apologize in public since he responded in public. Not doing that would make all those who agree with him think that what he said was the right thing when the reality is no, he shouldn't have done that. You gotta make it be known that what he did was wrong.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 2, 2022 13:32:19 GMT -5
Nah, Tony has to apologize in public since he responded in public. Not doing that would make all those who agree with him think that what he said was the right then when the reality is no, he shouldn't have done that. You gotta make it be known that what he did was wrong. Yea he lost the benefit of behind the doors apology You quick to open your mouth talking shit, be quick to have that same energy the other way
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 2, 2022 13:42:35 GMT -5
Also, he should apologize for those who liked and RT’d it from his roster. That might seem like a hot take but his words are basically sending mobs to other people, whether intentionally or otherwise with people deleting their accounts for it. It might be a reaping what you sow thing but it also is unfair that you’re not apologizing and they’re taking more of the heat for it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 2, 2022 13:46:42 GMT -5
Also, he should apologize for those who liked and RT’d it from his roster. That might seem like a hot take but his words are basically sending mobs to other people, whether intentionally or otherwise with people deleting their accounts for it. It might be a reaping what you sow thing but it also is unfair that you’re not apologizing and they’re taking more of the heat for it. Yeah, like you forced your roster whether some agree with you or not to step up and defend you and be a good soldier so to say. As people have said before, when you run this company you have an obligation to all of his and stupid shit you do will come back and bite us
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Post by Dub H on Jan 2, 2022 14:54:53 GMT -5
Also, he should apologize for those who liked and RT’d it from his roster. That might seem like a hot take but his words are basically sending mobs to other people, whether intentionally or otherwise with people deleting their accounts for it. It might be a reaping what you sow thing but it also is unfair that you’re not apologizing and they’re taking more of the heat for it. Yeah, like you forced your roster whether some agree with you or not to step up and defend you and be a good soldier so to say. As people have said before, when you run this company you have an obligation to all of his and stupid shit you do will come back and bite us I think the take that he forced anyone to step up is disingenious and trying to wipe their opnion away. I agree he basically threw a mob of people at people that didnt deserve it. But to try and say thet didnt mean what they said is dsingenious. Especially when we saw people mentioned call him out, support him.or just not say anything. He raised the issue further and some people felt it was necessary to speak up ,pro and con.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 2, 2022 15:01:02 GMT -5
Yeah, like you forced your roster whether some agree with you or not to step up and defend you and be a good soldier so to say. As people have said before, when you run this company you have an obligation to all of his and stupid shit you do will come back and bite us I think the take that he forced anyone to step up is disingenious and trying to wipe their opnion away. I agree he basically threw a mob of people at people that didnt deserve it. But to try and say thet didnt mean what they said is dsingenious. Especially when we saw people mentioned call him out, support him.or just not say anything. He raised the issue further and some people felt it was necessary to speak up ,pro and con. I never said they didn't mean what they said I said they were forced to speak up. Meaning their intentions are in the right place but you had people like Hobbs make a comment that he normally wouldn't have made if this wasn't an issue It doesn't wipe away their opinion at all
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Jan 2, 2022 15:12:15 GMT -5
On the nicer side, I really liked what she said about Abadon, it really reflects all the work she’s been doing, and the results shown on social media and on Dark. Abadon should be a featured player on TV more often, though the same could be said for a lot of the Dark/Elevation regulars.
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Post by H-Virus on Jan 2, 2022 15:28:25 GMT -5
Okay, so I've been off site for the weekend to spend with family, and I really don't want to spend the next hour or two reading this entire thread. Can someone summarize what the hell's been happening since page 1? All I can tell is that TK said something stupid but I have no idea how far back that was.
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Post by darbus alan on Jan 2, 2022 16:20:00 GMT -5
Okay, so I've been off site for the weekend to spend with family, and I really don't want to spend the next hour or two reading this entire thread. Can someone summarize what the hell's been happening since page 1? All I can tell is that TK said something stupid but I have no idea how far back that was. To sum things up:
Big Swole did an interview with someone where she talked about her leaving AEW and what led to that decision. She had a lot of tough, but fair words about how disorganized the women's division was at the time she was there as well as AEW having a problem with featuring Black wrestlers in prominent positions.
Tony Khan reacted poorly, to say the least. Called her a bad wrestler and defended the diversity of AEW with an argument that can be summed up as "some of my friends are Black."
This set off a shitstorm that put Black wrestlers on his roster in a very awkward position and also cause a few white and non-black POC talents to defend Khan's use of diversity. Then you had some of the weird shit like Darius Lockheart talking about giving Khan a USB flash drive and attacking unnamed lighter-skinned BIPOC talent (no names, but probably referring to Ricky Starks and Dante Martin) as "white-passing." On top of that, you have the vulture trolls egging on the drama by taking the most ludicrous positions on either side.
Cooler head seemed to have prevailed somewhat with Lio Rush and Shawn Dean taking the lead in talking to Tony directly about this. Lockheart also apparently apologized for his white-passing remark.
So the worst of it seems to have passed, but Tony Khan's got a lot of egg on his face. And he seems to have put the TBS Championship Tournament final between Ruby Soho and Jade Cargill under an unfair microscope.
I think that's all of it.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 2, 2022 17:04:25 GMT -5
Honestly, the way Tony went about it was pretty bad and I am glad cooler heads prevailed but I don’t agree with Swole nor do I agree with the way she went about it by being nice to Tony’s face and then saying this in an interview which is why I could kind of see why Tony would get upset (not defending his tweet).
The company has only been around for 3 years and on TV for a little over 2, there have only been 4 world champs. They’ve had POC as tag champs, they had a transgender woman as woman’s champ. Jade Cargill is in a prominent position. I’m sure if New Day came to AEW, one of them will be champ.
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