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Post by dirtyoldman on Jan 11, 2022 10:25:06 GMT -5
Why did Obi wan never remember owning a droid? Yeah ok, he had very little interaction with R2 in the prequel trilogy, but when they were making it back in the 70s what was the reason for it? Or was it just a throw away line? Technically, he never did own a droid. The Jedi Council owned the droids he used. Heck, Anakin did not own R2 either. Padme did. He did own 3PO, however, but he gave him to his secret wife. Also, while it is possible or even likely that Kenobi recognized R2, to explain how he knew him would have been to give up the ghost on a whole host of things, not the least of which is how a droid that Anakin used exclusively (minus a month or two in the Clone Wars when R2 was stolen) wound up in the hands of Princess Leia. Yeah that all makes sense now after the prequel trilogies were made but I was more referring to George Lucas writing the script at the time where that R2 says he belongs to Obi wan and obi wan says 'nope never owned one, he's talking shit'. What was the plan for that originally. Although considering they never planned for vader and anekin to be the same person until filming empire, it's a good chance Lucas had no plan at all.
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Jan 11, 2022 10:36:56 GMT -5
Well my favorite classic example is in Wrath of Kahn where Kahn recognizes Chekhov, despite the fact that in the original tv show, Kahn showed up in season 1 and Chekhov didn’t appear until season 2. It doesn’t hurt the movie at all, but it is a classic plot hole that fans over the years love to fill.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 11, 2022 10:40:24 GMT -5
How does Joel eat and breathe?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jan 11, 2022 10:45:21 GMT -5
The f*** happened to DJ from The Last Jedi?!? JJ Abrams is bad at his job. That's my go to explanation for any plothole in The Rise of Skywalker, and the Sequel Trilogy in general.
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Post by Larryhausen on Jan 11, 2022 10:50:21 GMT -5
How does Joel eat and breathe? Along with other science facts.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 11, 2022 10:54:52 GMT -5
In The Dark Knight when the Joker was all like "Well I really don't have a plan" only to have pretty much all of his schemes work out because seemingly every last detail was meticulously calculated in advance.
That contradiction irked some viewers, but personally I liked it because it's true to the contradictory nature of the Joker character (Saying one thing and totally does the opposite helps to maintain that chaotic image. Plus subverting expectations is one of the cornerstones of comedy.)
Because as the animated version of Batman would often say: "Nothing is ever easy with the Joker."
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 11, 2022 10:56:22 GMT -5
Well my favorite classic example is in Wrath of Kahn where Kahn recognizes Chekhov, despite the fact that in the original tv show, Kahn showed up in season 1 and Chekhov didn’t appear until season 2. It doesn’t hurt the movie at all, but it is a classic plot hole that fans over the years love to fill. That's easy. Chekhov was a crewmember on the Enterprise when Khan was on board but was not yet a member of the bridge crew. Think about it, we are only shown a few portions of the ship throughout the series (bridge, sick bay, engineering, a corridor or two, Kirk and Spock's quarters, and a conference room are the only parts I recall). Chekhov merely had to be stationed elsewhere on the ship or maybe he was a member of the night shift bridge crew.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 11, 2022 10:59:43 GMT -5
Technically, he never did own a droid. The Jedi Council owned the droids he used. Heck, Anakin did not own R2 either. Padme did. He did own 3PO, however, but he gave him to his secret wife. Also, while it is possible or even likely that Kenobi recognized R2, to explain how he knew him would have been to give up the ghost on a whole host of things, not the least of which is how a droid that Anakin used exclusively (minus a month or two in the Clone Wars when R2 was stolen) wound up in the hands of Princess Leia. Yeah that all makes sense now after the prequel trilogies were made but I was more referring to George Lucas writing the script at the time where that R2 says he belongs to Obi wan and obi wan says 'nope never owned one, he's talking shit'. What was the plan for that originally. Although considering they never planned for vader and anekin to be the same person until filming empire, it's a good chance Lucas had no plan at all. Heck, it does not even have to be taken in context of the prequels either. Kenobi was clearly playing coy in the first movie and RotJ established that he was not opposed to playing fast and loose with the truth to suit his own purposes. Hell, he even blatantly lied to stormtroopers in the first film when he played a mind trick on them (spoiler: those WERE the droids they were looking for).
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Post by Bo Rida on Jan 11, 2022 11:06:18 GMT -5
Heroes - Peter either abandons his girlfriend in a dystopian timeline worse than the one we're in now or erases her from existence. Either way he doesn't try to save her, it doesn't bother him and he forgets all about her, ice cold.
Oh crap that's TV, oh well still my favourite.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2022 11:34:20 GMT -5
Yeah that all makes sense now after the prequel trilogies were made but I was more referring to George Lucas writing the script at the time where that R2 says he belongs to Obi wan and obi wan says 'nope never owned one, he's talking shit'. What was the plan for that originally. Although considering they never planned for vader and anekin to be the same person until filming empire, it's a good chance Lucas had no plan at all. The simplest explanation is Leia told/programmed into R2 that he was now Obi-Wan's property and to seek him out. Even after Obi-Wan reveals the truth of his identity and his past he still treats R2 as a stranger to him, so I do feel that Lucas never envisaged any prior relationship between Obi-Wan and the droids until he conceptualised the prequels.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 11, 2022 12:06:31 GMT -5
Well my favorite classic example is in Wrath of Kahn where Kahn recognizes Chekhov, despite the fact that in the original tv show, Kahn showed up in season 1 and Chekhov didn’t appear until season 2. It doesn’t hurt the movie at all, but it is a classic plot hole that fans over the years love to fill. The original Star Trek was also all over the place with Star Dates. I read an episode list where they reordered the episodes according to Star Date and there were second and third season episodes before Space Seed. Of course I think there may have been one episode where the Star Date would have put it after The Next Generation so best not to be too anal about things.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jan 11, 2022 12:46:37 GMT -5
Why cant that guy in the Blues Beothers buy his own cheese wizz? He's banned from the store that sells it because of public indecency.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 11, 2022 13:06:45 GMT -5
In The Dark Knight when the Joker was all like "Well I really don't have a plan" only to have pretty much all of his schemes work out because seemingly every last detail was meticulously calculated in advance. That contradiction irked some viewers, but personally I liked it because it's true to the contradictory nature of the Joker character (Saying one thing and totally does the opposite helps to maintain that chaotic image. Plus subverting expectations is one of the cornerstones of comedy.) Because as the animated version of Batman would often say: "Nothing is ever easy with the Joker." What I love about Ledger Joker is how full of shit he is. He acts like he’s the victim, all scarred and misunderstood, and he’s actually thinking everything through. (And if you notice, Batman foils most of the worst of his plans.) I always found it funny in Toy Story 1 how Buzz instinctively knew how to “play dead” like the other toys around Andy during playtimes, yet he was thoroughly convinced he was the real titular Space Ranger.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jan 11, 2022 16:10:10 GMT -5
How does Joel eat and breathe? Along with other science facts. OMG IT'S JUST A SHOW YOU SHOULD REALLY JUST RELAX.
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Post by King Boo on Jan 11, 2022 17:04:47 GMT -5
Or . he's f***ing Batman. That and the first movie established he'd been travelling around the world mostly by himself with few resources at hand. Him getting back to Gotham doesn't really stand out as far as his unlikely feats go. It does if only because there's NO WAY he survived that bomb going off. It's not the logistics for me so much as the fact that he should be DEAD, along with the rest of Gotham after the fallout.
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Post by DiBiase is Good on Jan 11, 2022 17:21:43 GMT -5
How did they get the flyers for Hookers into the vault in Ocean’s Eleven? They even acknowledge in the DVD commentary that they f***ed up.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2022 18:45:48 GMT -5
t does if only because there's NO WAY he survived that bomb going off. It's not the logistics for me so much as the fact that he should be DEAD, along with the rest of Gotham after the fallout. Here's the thing, it would be impossible to turn the fusion reactor into a bomb in the first place, and even if they could there would be no fallout. Fusion bombs as they exist in the real world release a shitload of energy, but leave minimal fallout behind because the only radioactive materials involved are those used in the initial fission trigger. The movie tells us that the bomb is a pure fusion device, something presently technologically impossible for us to create, so there would be no fallout whatsoever. Realistically, based on the estimated distance between the explosion and the city the worst effects would be the pressure wave generated by the explosion, which would certainly be powerful enough to blow out every window in the city and kill any poor bastard out on the streets.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2022 18:52:06 GMT -5
I mean, dude gets his back broken. It's ok, he'll train again after recovery and beat Bane.
Except, no. Not at all. Dude suffered a broken back and then has to fight Bane again? It what world doesn't Bane just mash him into paste this time?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 11, 2022 19:12:53 GMT -5
I mean, dude gets his back broken. It's ok, he'll train again after recovery and beat Bane. Except, no. Not at all. Dude suffered a broken back and then has to fight Bane again? It what world doesn't Bane just mash him into paste this time? Especially when the "cure" for his broken back was getting punched in the vertebrae by an old fat guy and left dangling by a rope, rather than the more traditional back fusion surgery.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Jan 11, 2022 19:46:15 GMT -5
Even in the theater I immediately found myself wondering how the hell Bruce made it back to Gotham in Dark Knight Rises. Kind of amazing when the most sensible answer I can think of is, "That prison's located in Gotham's desert wasteland district." I can't find the article, but I swear that Phil Lord and Chris Miller said that they were brought in to do a rewrite of DKR and they asked how Bruce got to Gotham. Nolan's answer was "he's Batman and this is a Batman movie, who really cares?" and to be honest, no shit Bruce Wayne would be able to travel across continents.
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