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Post by karl100589 on Jan 13, 2022 17:12:04 GMT -5
I firmly believe turning Austin heel at Mania 17 was the beginning of the end for WWF. Even worse, turning him heel AGAIN at Invasion (no matter how entertaining he was) was the single worst creative decision they've ever made, one from which they've never fully recovered. I agree with the second part. Austin as a vindictive heel post WMX7 was different and IMO worked well even if it wasn’t popular. But the Invasion was the perfect time to abandon the experiment and have Austin as the babyface leading team WWF. Turning him heel again IMMEDIATELY after the monster pop on Raw ticked off a lot of people. if you need a WWF defector, go with Jericho.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 13, 2022 17:37:28 GMT -5
I firmly believe turning Austin heel at Mania 17 was the beginning of the end for WWF. Even worse, turning him heel AGAIN at Invasion (no matter how entertaining he was) was the single worst creative decision they've ever made, one from which they've never fully recovered. I agree with the second part. Austin as a vindictive heel post WMX7 was different and IMO worked well even if it wasn’t popular. But the Invasion was the perfect time to abandon the experiment and have Austin as the babyface leading team WWF. Turning him heel again IMMEDIATELY after the monster pop on Raw ticked off a lot of people. if you need a WWF defector, go with Jericho. Not only that, but Alliance Leader Austin led to the WHAT chants, and that in itself is unforgivable. On the topic of Austin, here's one..... "Pissed off ring technician Austin (mid 1996-1997) > Bionic Redneck."
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Jan 13, 2022 18:11:20 GMT -5
I dont think all talents need to show up every week. It gives some feuds a breather and prevents the same matches happening every single week. Plus it allows more mid tier storylines to develop and flesh out.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 13, 2022 18:36:52 GMT -5
All of my opinions are correct and should go unchallenged. I disagree! All of MY opinions, however are correct & should go unchallenged.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jan 13, 2022 18:49:43 GMT -5
I agree with the second part. Austin as a vindictive heel post WMX7 was different and IMO worked well even if it wasn’t popular. But the Invasion was the perfect time to abandon the experiment and have Austin as the babyface leading team WWF. Turning him heel again IMMEDIATELY after the monster pop on Raw ticked off a lot of people. if you need a WWF defector, go with Jericho. Not only that, but Alliance Leader Austin led to the WHAT chants, and that in itself is unforgivable. On the topic of Austin, here's one..... "Pissed off ring technician Austin (mid 1996-1997) > Bionic Redneck." I wonder if part of his change in wrestling style is as much due to his neck injuries as a change in character
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2022 18:56:22 GMT -5
Here's another one...
I hate in-ring promos. I understand that they have their purpose, but they should be used sparingly, specifically when someone is coming out to address the crowd directly.
The biggest issue with in-ring promos is they are beyond formulaic. Used to open the show, someone interrupts promo and that is used to set up match. On top of that, I think people usually look overexposed in the ring versus in a backstage segment where people usually come off much more intense. Seeing two people argue inside the ring is usually comical.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 13, 2022 22:19:06 GMT -5
As entertaining as many of them are, I consider all of Vince McMahon's matches to be nothing but comedy matches. I've never seen one match where he comes off as a serious heel.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jan 14, 2022 2:53:58 GMT -5
The 7ft unstoppable monster has always been my least favourite thing in Wrestling..Hence why I've never cared much for the likes of Big Show, Great Khali and currently Omos at this time. I'm sure if I'd been older in the 80s I wouldn't have been an Andre the Giant fan either.
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Post by jp49er80 on Jan 14, 2022 3:08:19 GMT -5
Chris Jericho sucks and has been boring for at least 20 years.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Jan 14, 2022 4:44:32 GMT -5
I know it's petty but I can't take Kevin Owens seriously as a main eventer because of his look. It's not a weight thing because Vader, Yokozuna, Samoa Joe and many others looked like main eventers but Owens with the cheap looking shirt and basketball shorts literally looks like someone I could see in my local fed wrestling in front of 40 people. Agreed. Looks like a backyard wrestler.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 14, 2022 6:31:50 GMT -5
I dont think all talents need to show up every week. It gives some feuds a breather and prevents the same matches happening every single week. Plus it allows more mid tier storylines to develop and flesh out. I’d agree with this. The old “how can I miss you if you won’t go away.”
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Post by Helen of Jasper Troy on Jan 14, 2022 6:37:32 GMT -5
When JR called Kane a young lion at Mania 17 that rly f***ed me up.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 14, 2022 6:59:06 GMT -5
When JR called Kane a young lion at Mania 17 that rly f***ed me up. Don’t joke about that, Kane’s age then is almost how old I am now.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 14, 2022 7:50:38 GMT -5
Here's another one... I hate in-ring promos. I understand that they have their purpose, but they should be used sparingly, specifically when someone is coming out to address the crowd directly. The biggest issue with in-ring promos is they are beyond formulaic. Used to open the show, someone interrupts promo and that is used to set up match. On top of that, I think people usually look overexposed in the ring versus in a backstage segment where people usually come off much more intense. Seeing two people argue inside the ring is usually comical. They also generally just... end. The people leave, one looks angry at the other. Your literal job is to fight people, are you not going to give chase? Anything? Looks silly. Backstage you can cut away, have security rush people, they're not in the same physical space so it doesn't come up....
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 14, 2022 7:51:00 GMT -5
Triple H is underrated by the fans at large and overrated by WWE
Elizabeth contributed almost nothing for most of her runs
Outside of New Day I have no understanding of what makes Kofi popular
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Post by Hypnosis on Jan 14, 2022 9:09:04 GMT -5
Outside of New Day I have no understanding of what makes Kofi popular Big E has the dance moves. Woods has the trombone and video game knowledge. Kofi has....the shoes? The Rumble saves?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 14, 2022 9:15:07 GMT -5
We’re never going to get the feeling of talents being “larger than life” back, so unless you can somehow completely cut yourself off from social media, stop trying to chase it.
Here’s the thing… 1. There’s a fair chance that when talents were “larger than life”, YOU were still small and most of life was larger than you. And 2. A lot of talents were “larger than life” in ways that life didn’t mean them to be, ie steroids.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 14, 2022 10:18:00 GMT -5
I agree with the second part. Austin as a vindictive heel post WMX7 was different and IMO worked well even if it wasn’t popular. But the Invasion was the perfect time to abandon the experiment and have Austin as the babyface leading team WWF. Turning him heel again IMMEDIATELY after the monster pop on Raw ticked off a lot of people. if you need a WWF defector, go with Jericho. Not only that, but Alliance Leader Austin led to the WHAT chants, and that in itself is unforgivable. On the topic of Austin, here's one..... "Pissed off ring technician Austin (mid 1996-1997) > Bionic Redneck." Pissed off ring technician Austin might be better than all renditions of Steve Austin.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 14, 2022 10:26:53 GMT -5
Not only that, but Alliance Leader Austin led to the WHAT chants, and that in itself is unforgivable. On the topic of Austin, here's one..... "Pissed off ring technician Austin (mid 1996-1997) > Bionic Redneck." Pissed off ring technician Austin might be better than all renditions of Steve Austin. Yeah. I mean, he was of course over like Superman back in the day, but the Austin most people remember always felt like Flanderising the 1996-97 version. I feel like that about The Rock too. Everyone loved him, he had the charisma to pull off anything...but it seemed like a caricature of him as a heel.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 14, 2022 10:29:25 GMT -5
Pissed off ring technician Austin might be better than all renditions of Steve Austin. Yeah. I mean, he was of course over like Superman back in the day, but the Austin most people remember always felt like Flanderising the 1996-97 version. I feel like that about The Rock too. Everyone loved him, he had the charisma to pull off anything...but it seemed like a caricature of him as a heel. I'm doing a rewatch of '96 and just got passed the King of the Ring. I'm so looking forward to the Fall of '96 and Bret/Austin.
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