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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 14, 2022 10:50:30 GMT -5
I firmly believe turning Austin heel at Mania 17 was the beginning of the end for WWF. Even worse, turning him heel AGAIN at Invasion (no matter how entertaining he was) was the single worst creative decision they've ever made, one from which they've never fully recovered. They should have called an audible immediately following the Raw before the Invasion PPV when he saved Team WWF.
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 16, 2022 2:53:26 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is right a lot more often than not about modern wrestling.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 16, 2022 5:02:41 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is right a lot more often than not about modern wrestling. He's also a racist asshole so like... forgive me and others if we don't care or agree.
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Post by J. Hova on Jan 16, 2022 5:15:06 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is right a lot more often than not about modern wrestling. He's also a racist asshole so like... forgive me and others if we don't care or agree. And I didn't say that he was a credit to humanity.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 16, 2022 6:42:47 GMT -5
He's also a racist asshole so like... forgive me and others if we don't care or agree. And I didn't say that he was a credit to humanity. It's just hard for me to say the guy is truly right about anything when he's such an asshole as a human, and it also makes his opinions and takes even more unbearable and downright attention seeking at times. So giving him any shred of credit seems extremely pointless, he's not the dude who should be looked at for any modern wrestling takes imo.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 16, 2022 9:31:52 GMT -5
if I never again hear Jinder's reign being defended because "he carries himself like a champion, though" it'll be too soon.
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Post by clodhopper on Jan 16, 2022 17:35:06 GMT -5
This goes for AEW as well as WWE - no matter how good it is, I cannot get invested in any non-throwaway match on TV until it's gone through an ad break because I know the finish can't come until then.
The Hall Of Fame is absolutely meaningless. Everybody not named Benoit is getting inducted eventually.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 16, 2022 17:42:59 GMT -5
This goes for AEW as well as WWE - no matter how good it is, I cannot get invested in any non-throwaway match on TV until it's gone through an ad break because I know the finish can't come until then. The Hall Of Fame is absolutely meaningless. Everybody not named Benoit is getting inducted eventually. How can you have a hall of fame with no hall?
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Post by Strotha on Jan 16, 2022 18:54:43 GMT -5
Too lazy to go through the thread and see if it's been mentioned, but under the rope is touching the rope. I hate when people get pinned with their feet under the ropes or someone on the outside holding their ankle while they're pinned. If part of you is under the rope it's out of bounds and should be considered a rope break. I don't know why it bugs me so much because it's not a big deal but it does.
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Post by clodhopper on Jan 16, 2022 19:03:13 GMT -5
Too lazy to go through the thread and see if it's been mentioned, but under the rope is touching the rope. I hate when people get pinned with their feet under the ropes or someone on the outside holding their ankle while they're pinned. If part of you is under the rope it's out of bounds and should be considered a rope break. I don't know why it bugs me so much because it's not a big deal but it does. I feel the same way about one foot touching the floor in Rumbles/Battle Royals. You've gone over the top and hit the floor, you're out. Shouldn't matter if it's one foot, two, landed on your arse, whatever. You've been eliminated.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jan 16, 2022 22:45:30 GMT -5
if I never again hear Jinder's reign being defended because "he carries himself like a champion, though" it'll be too soon. The one bright point I'll give Jinder's reign was that his entrance was incredibly kickass, but a cool entrance doesn't matter much if it always leads to either a terrible match or a terrible promo.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jan 18, 2022 17:26:49 GMT -5
Well, I got more than one:
- Randy Orton is an amazing talent, even during some of his “boring” periods.
- John Cena would have been made into a boring, cliched “serious” heel if they turned him and he was already perfectly entertaining as a wacky good guy.
- Charlotte Flair is right up there with Manami Toyota and Akira Hokuto when it comes to the greatest women’s wrestlers of all time.
- Kevin Nash *added* more to the Summer of Punk than he took away from it.
- Wrestlers working for the hard camera is a good idea
- KofiMania did not need any of those racial undertones.
- I liked SuperBecky.
-Cena has just as big a catalog of classic matches as HBK does.
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Jan 18, 2022 17:28:26 GMT -5
This goes for AEW as well as WWE - no matter how good it is, I cannot get invested in any non-throwaway match on TV until it's gone through an ad break because I know the finish can't come until then. The Hall Of Fame is absolutely meaningless. Everybody not named Benoit is getting inducted eventually. How can you have a hall of fame with no hall? Scott got in as Razor Ramon, though!
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 18, 2022 17:29:42 GMT -5
WWE was right to not make CM Punk "the guy"
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jan 18, 2022 18:05:56 GMT -5
WWE was right to not make CM Punk "the guy" I don't think Punk would have enjoyed being "The Guy" very much. That said, he still should have been put in a Randy Savage/Ultimate Warrior position as the second most important guy after Cena. Instead he couldn't even get a main event when he was carrying the show on his back for over a year.
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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Jan 18, 2022 21:13:27 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is right a lot more often than not about modern wrestling. He's also a racist asshole so like... forgive me and others if we don't care or agree. So are 90% of boomers. Show me on the doll where Jim Cornette hurt you.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 18, 2022 21:15:49 GMT -5
He's also a racist asshole so like... forgive me and others if we don't care or agree. So are 90% of boomers. Show me on the doll where Jim Cornette hurt you. He didn't hurt me anywhere, just stated the obvious, don't think his opinions are really worth any stock when he is literally racist for no reason to people in the industry, especially Joshi women. There's a reason his threads are banned here, and it's not because he's a boomer.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 18, 2022 21:29:32 GMT -5
I firmly believe turning Austin heel at Mania 17 was the beginning of the end for WWF. Even worse, turning him heel AGAIN at Invasion (no matter how entertaining he was) was the single worst creative decision they've ever made, one from which they've never fully recovered. They should have called an audible immediately following the Raw before the Invasion PPV when he saved Team WWF. Oh, I maintain that they should have called an audible the second they bought WCW, since you'd think they'd want Austin as his most iconic self for any 'interpromotional' matches ahead. But hey, paranoid Steve Austin who talks to his wristwatch being WCW leader was certainly a choice.
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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Jan 18, 2022 21:29:34 GMT -5
So are 90% of boomers. Show me on the doll where Jim Cornette hurt you. He didn't hurt me anywhere, just stated the obvious, don't think his opinions are really worth any stock when he is literally racist for no reason to people in the industry, especially Joshi women. There's a reason his threads are banned here, and it's not because he's a boomer. Try actually listening to his shows. He's politically incorrect and out of touch but he is not a racist. He definitely still has a lot of value in wrestling given the many hats he's worn in various roles in various promotions so Jim has more credibility than your Dave Meltzers. As for the joshis, he thinks the joshis are a joke due to their size and the fact some of them have appeared in apartment wrestling magazines and fetish magazines. I can't think of anything he said that was outright racist. Every time he talks about them his co host Brian Last calls him out if he does say anything close to ignorant. Personally I don't care about the joshis. I don't see that style of wrestling getting over in America. So far it has not outside of its' niche audience. I know you won't listen though. Some of yall simply can't handle people being critical of the things you like so you call them racist without understanding the context of what's being said just to marginalize the opinions of the critics.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 18, 2022 21:42:21 GMT -5
He didn't hurt me anywhere, just stated the obvious, don't think his opinions are really worth any stock when he is literally racist for no reason to people in the industry, especially Joshi women. There's a reason his threads are banned here, and it's not because he's a boomer. Try actually listening to his shows. He's politically incorrect and out of touch but he is not a racist. He definitely still has a lot of value in wrestling given the many hats he's worn in various roles in various promotions so Jim has more credibility than your Dave Meltzers. As for the joshis, he thinks the joshis are a joke due to their size and the fact some of them have appeared in apartment wrestling magazines and fetish magazines. I can't think of anything he said that was outright racist. Every time he talks about them his co host Brian Last calls him out if he does say anything close to ignorant. Personally I don't care about the joshis. I don't see that style of wrestling getting over in America. So far it has not outside of its' niche audience. I know you won't listen though. Some of yall simply can't handle people being critical of the things you like so you call them racist without understanding the context of what's being said just to marginalize the opinions of the critics. Given this is an "Old Man Yells at Cloud" opinions thread, I don't think I need to be the one to tell you but your opinions on Cornette aren't the popular one, hence why his threads are justifiably banned on this forum, because it was the same shit every single time, and it got old. I'm not saying Cornette doesn't have an encyclopedic mind for wrestling, his interviews and stints on DSOTR are great, but his big mouth has blackballed him from modern wrestling, and for good reason. If he was just "politically incorrect", then he'd still be in NWA, he's not. He's not anywhere, and no one in wrestling is clamoring him to be anywhere unless it's for those types of interviews. I also shouldn't need to say this, but Joshi are pretty popular as well, not a niche audience when thousands of people are cheering for the likes of Riho, or Shida, or even Mizunami or Maki. Their shtick works, and it works for a modern wrestling audience, or no one would cheer for them. Lastly, dismissing me like that doesn't help what you're trying to sell. No one here is trying to "undermine the critic", a lot of people have seen the saga and outright downward spiral of Cornette here from the very beginning and the bridges he's burned. Frankly, his criticisms of modern wrestling are just that, opinions, him being "right", is subjective, but it definitely gets bogged down when you make an outright shit reputation of yourself over the last few years especially. It's really not like I and others haven't listened, or that we haven't tried to understand, it's that Jim has actively forced people away, and only tries to appeal to a specific type of fan, and we've seen how absolutely toxic it's made the community at large in doing so. He made his choice and knows what gets clicks and makes money, good for him, but it's made him what he is, and it's not something a lot of wrestling fans are on board with.
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