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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Jan 18, 2022 21:52:14 GMT -5
Try actually listening to his shows. He's politically incorrect and out of touch but he is not a racist. He definitely still has a lot of value in wrestling given the many hats he's worn in various roles in various promotions so Jim has more credibility than your Dave Meltzers. As for the joshis, he thinks the joshis are a joke due to their size and the fact some of them have appeared in apartment wrestling magazines and fetish magazines. I can't think of anything he said that was outright racist. Every time he talks about them his co host Brian Last calls him out if he does say anything close to ignorant. Personally I don't care about the joshis. I don't see that style of wrestling getting over in America. So far it has not outside of its' niche audience. I know you won't listen though. Some of yall simply can't handle people being critical of the things you like so you call them racist without understanding the context of what's being said just to marginalize the opinions of the critics. Given this is an "Old Man Yells at Cloud" opinions thread, I don't think I need to be the one to tell you but your opinions on Cornette aren't the popular one, hence why his threads are justifiably banned on this forum, because it was the same shit every single time, and it got old. I'm not saying Cornette doesn't have an encyclopedic mind for wrestling, his interviews and stints on DSOTR are great, but his big mouth has blackballed him from modern wrestling, and for good reason. If he was just "politically incorrect", then he'd still be in NWA, he's not. He's not anywhere, and no one in wrestling is clamoring him to be anywhere unless it's for those types of interviews. I also shouldn't need to say this, but Joshi are pretty popular as well, not a niche audience when thousands of people are cheering for the likes of Riho, or Shida, or even Mizunami or Maki. Their shtick works, and it works for a modern wrestling audience, or no one would cheer for them. Lastly, dismissing me like that doesn't help what you're trying to sell. No one here is trying to "undermine the critic", a lot of people have seen the saga and outright downward spiral of Cornette here from the very beginning and the bridges he's burned. Frankly, his criticisms of modern wrestling are just that, opinions, him being "right", is subjective, but it definitely gets bogged down when you make an outright shit reputation of yourself over the last few years especially. It's really not like I and others haven't listened, or that we haven't tried to understand, it's that Jim has actively forced people away, and only tries to appeal to a specific type of fan, and we've seen how absolutely toxic it's made the community at large in doing so. He made his choice and knows what gets clicks and makes money, good for him, but it's made him what he is, and it's not something a lot of wrestling fans are on board with. LOL. Jim doesn't want to work for NWA or any wrestling promotion either. Given the choice to stay home simply talk about modern wrestling or drive out in the middle of a pandemic at the age of 60 to work at a glorified indy promotion like NWA it's pretty easy to see why he chose to stay home and just take the piss out of wrestling he doesn't like. I'm sure he's getting offers for wrestling conventions and is turning them down out of COVID fear. So that shuts down the narrative you and Meltzer peddle about Jim being blackballed. Negativity sells, people are going to want to listen to people make fun of wrestlers and promotions. Hence why people on this very forum still watch WWE. To make fun of it even if they haven't enjoyed it for years. Look at yourself in the mirror before you cast your stones. Why isn't that considered toxic behavior? You are truly delusional if you think the modern wrestling audience is not a niche audience. If you meet some strangers and try to talk wrestling please ask them if they know who Riho is.
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Post by Error on Jan 18, 2022 21:59:41 GMT -5
Given this is an "Old Man Yells at Cloud" opinions thread, I don't think I need to be the one to tell you but your opinions on Cornette aren't the popular one, hence why his threads are justifiably banned on this forum, because it was the same shit every single time, and it got old. I'm not saying Cornette doesn't have an encyclopedic mind for wrestling, his interviews and stints on DSOTR are great, but his big mouth has blackballed him from modern wrestling, and for good reason. If he was just "politically incorrect", then he'd still be in NWA, he's not. He's not anywhere, and no one in wrestling is clamoring him to be anywhere unless it's for those types of interviews. I also shouldn't need to say this, but Joshi are pretty popular as well, not a niche audience when thousands of people are cheering for the likes of Riho, or Shida, or even Mizunami or Maki. Their shtick works, and it works for a modern wrestling audience, or no one would cheer for them. Lastly, dismissing me like that doesn't help what you're trying to sell. No one here is trying to "undermine the critic", a lot of people have seen the saga and outright downward spiral of Cornette here from the very beginning and the bridges he's burned. Frankly, his criticisms of modern wrestling are just that, opinions, him being "right", is subjective, but it definitely gets bogged down when you make an outright shit reputation of yourself over the last few years especially. It's really not like I and others haven't listened, or that we haven't tried to understand, it's that Jim has actively forced people away, and only tries to appeal to a specific type of fan, and we've seen how absolutely toxic it's made the community at large in doing so. He made his choice and knows what gets clicks and makes money, good for him, but it's made him what he is, and it's not something a lot of wrestling fans are on board with. LOL. Jim doesn't want to work for NWA or any wrestling promotion either. Given the choice to stay home simply talk about modern wrestling or drive out in the middle of a pandemic at the age of 60 to work at a glorified indy promotion like NWA it's pretty easy to see why he chose to stay home and just take the piss out of wrestling he doesn't like. I'm sure he's getting offers for wrestling conventions and is turning them down out of COVID fear. So that shuts down the narrative you and Meltzer peddle about Jim being blackballed. Negativity sells, people are going to want to listen to people make fun of wrestlers and promotions. Hence why people on this very forum still watch WWE. To make fun of it even if they haven't enjoyed it for years. Look at yourself in the mirror before you cast your stones. You are truly delusional if you think the modern wrestling audience is not a niche audience. If you meet some strangers and try to talk wrestling please ask them if they know who Riho is. You're done in this thread and talking down to posters here. It's reasons like this Cornette talk is not allowed. Until people can discuss him without attacking each other, it stays gone.
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Post by Lille Matthew Goldenberg on Jan 18, 2022 22:05:10 GMT -5
LOL. Jim doesn't want to work for NWA or any wrestling promotion either. Given the choice to stay home simply talk about modern wrestling or drive out in the middle of a pandemic at the age of 60 to work at a glorified indy promotion like NWA it's pretty easy to see why he chose to stay home and just take the piss out of wrestling he doesn't like. I'm sure he's getting offers for wrestling conventions and is turning them down out of COVID fear. So that shuts down the narrative you and Meltzer peddle about Jim being blackballed. Negativity sells, people are going to want to listen to people make fun of wrestlers and promotions. Hence why people on this very forum still watch WWE. To make fun of it even if they haven't enjoyed it for years. Look at yourself in the mirror before you cast your stones. You are truly delusional if you think the modern wrestling audience is not a niche audience. If you meet some strangers and try to talk wrestling please ask them if they know who Riho is. You're done in this thread and talking down to posters here. It's reasons like this Cornette talk is not allowed. Until people can discuss him without attacking each other, it stays gone. Ok... but your buddy failed to provide any evidence of Jim being racist and I clarified what Jim actually said on his shows. I fail to see how I attacked him. You guys just keep leaving in your dated forum fantasy land full of censorship and you good sir keep enjoying that forum admin power trip. Being so happy to flaunt your authority and quickly ban people tells me a lot about how little power you have in the real world and how little you contribute in the real world. Again, have fun in your little network hiding from reality and discussing these matters like adults.
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Post by Error on Jan 18, 2022 22:13:44 GMT -5
You're done in this thread and talking down to posters here. It's reasons like this Cornette talk is not allowed. Until people can discuss him without attacking each other, it stays gone. Ok... but your buddy failed to provide any evidence of Jim being racist and I clarified what Jim actually said on his shows. I fail to see how I attacked him. You guys just keep leaving in your dated forum fantasy land full of censorship and you good sir keep enjoying that forum admin power trip. Being so happy to flaunt your authority and quickly ban people tells me a lot about how little power you have in the real world and how little you contribute in the real world. Again, have fun in your little network hiding from reality and discussing these matters like adults. Try again in a few years.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jan 18, 2022 22:29:42 GMT -5
Toxic Attraction should be a ratings draw who ellicit this type of reaction from most young male viewers
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Post by Main Eventer on Jan 18, 2022 22:47:53 GMT -5
The Seth Rollins vs Rey Mysterio feud was the last good feud WWE has done. Constantly evolving and adding wrestlers to keep it fresh.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jan 19, 2022 23:38:42 GMT -5
Santino has never been funny
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 19, 2022 23:48:13 GMT -5
Ok... but your buddy failed to provide any evidence of Jim being racist and I clarified what Jim actually said on his shows. I fail to see how I attacked him. You guys just keep leaving in your dated forum fantasy land full of censorship and you good sir keep enjoying that forum admin power trip. Being so happy to flaunt your authority and quickly ban people tells me a lot about how little power you have in the real world and how little you contribute in the real world. Again, have fun in your little network hiding from reality and discussing these matters like adults. Try again in a few years. ......so, are you having fun?
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Post by Scott on Jan 20, 2022 2:17:41 GMT -5
Wrestling is better with hosses and muscle heads. Also, none of their attempts at comedy have ever been funny.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Jan 20, 2022 2:21:06 GMT -5
Women voting more like slippery slope
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Post by Clutchhausen on Jan 22, 2022 0:01:41 GMT -5
Angry Miz girl was a plant.
The 2005 Rumble double elimination finish was planned. Way too perfect to be an accident.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jan 22, 2022 0:02:55 GMT -5
Women voting more like slippery slope "But Hunter... WE'RE GIRLS!!"
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jan 22, 2022 0:24:43 GMT -5
Women voting more like slippery slope "But Hunter... WE'RE GIRLS!!" Thanks for reminding me of something for the thread. Beth Phoenix was a heel at the time. Why was it not plausible that she was being insincere, disingenuous and/or acting in bad faith in wanting to get rid of Triple H as the authority figure, instead of this whole thing of like "She was legitimately terrified for her life because of Miz and R-Truth" that seems to have been ran away with as gospel truth?
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Post by thehottag on Jan 22, 2022 3:05:15 GMT -5
Beth Phoenix was a heel at the time. Why was it not plausible that she was being insincere, disingenuous and/or acting in bad faith in wanting to get rid of Triple H as the authority figure, instead of this whole thing of like "She was legitimately terrified for her life because of Miz and R-Truth" that seems to have been ran away with as gospel truth? Then they needed to sell it like that. Have a female face call her out for it.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jan 22, 2022 14:24:14 GMT -5
Wrestling is bad and we should all stop watching it.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jan 22, 2022 14:30:21 GMT -5
This goes for AEW as well as WWE - no matter how good it is, I cannot get invested in any non-throwaway match on TV until it's gone through an ad break because I know the finish can't come until then. The Hall Of Fame is absolutely meaningless. Everybody not named Benoit is getting inducted eventually. Or Nailz. Or New Jack. Doubt we see Dr. D any time soon too.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 22, 2022 18:27:00 GMT -5
The 7ft unstoppable monster has always been my least favourite thing in Wrestling..Hence why I've never cared much for the likes of Big Show, Great Khali and currently Omos at this time. I'm sure if I'd been older in the 80s I wouldn't have been an Andre the Giant fan either. I'm just the opposite. I love the giants. I don't care if they "can't wrestle" when you're that big and strong you shouldn't have to.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 22, 2022 18:34:10 GMT -5
Beth Phoenix was a heel at the time. Why was it not plausible that she was being insincere, disingenuous and/or acting in bad faith in wanting to get rid of Triple H as the authority figure, instead of this whole thing of like "She was legitimately terrified for her life because of Miz and R-Truth" that seems to have been ran away with as gospel truth? Then they needed to sell it like that. Have a female face call her out for it. The problem is that while the heels were being disingenuous, the faces were all being huge bitches.
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Post by chrom on Jan 22, 2022 19:10:30 GMT -5
Then they needed to sell it like that. Have a female face call her out for it. The problem is that while the heels were being disingenuous, the faces were all being huge bitches. Other than Batista being Genre Savvy in 05, are faces booked any other way anymore?
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Post by fw91 on Jan 22, 2022 22:09:35 GMT -5
Nobody who has parted ways with WWE in recent years has proved to be a huge loss, and nobody has really become the star that Vince "didn't use right."
Once Mustafa Ali parts ways, he will join this group.
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