Way too many run-ins.

[mrbananagrabber]

I remember an interview with Jericho a while back when he said they need to look more closely at the show, segment to segment, because angles or spots were repeated on the same episode. Someone really needs to get back to doing that.

Young Bucks come out to interrupt the Undisputed Era. Then the Best Friends come out. Then Britt Baker came out.
Shawn Spears comes out to help Wardlow and MJF.
Jay Lethal comes out to help Dante Martin.
Dan Lambert comes out to interrupt Page. Lance Archer also appears to attack Page.
Malakai Black comes out after the Penta/Hardy match. Then Brody King comes out.


Almost every match and almost every segment. Really poor booking.

[Mid-Carder]

I totally get why this would be frustrating but I personally don't mind it that much. It's a good way of getting a lot of people on the show.

[chrom]

How many times now has it been that Best Friends have been beaten down and made to look like doofuses?

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Not really, it's pretty subjective shit. The run ins or interruptions were all pretty different or at least had a point, and outside of Lethal which will more than likely be explained, they all had and served their purpose or have clear logic to them

- Bucks have a beef with Undispiuted, Best Friends have a beef with all of them, Baker coming out at the end pops the crowd and we get the big power couple move that people were waiting for since Cole got in the company
- Shawn Spears came out after the match was over to save MJF, and he should have since he's Wardlow's accountabilibuddy, it sets up Wardlow tension, it also set up Spears/Punk
- Lambert was out there for Hangman to run him down and they played well off of each other. A great misdirect as Archer went after him as he still hates him, but also wants the world title which he was robbed of in the Tournament due to injury, he has a pretty easy claim to this feud
- Black's was supposed to happen last week, Fenix got hurt, this was about as good as it could get, Black teased Penta last week, attacked him, The Blondes still have every reason to attack Malakai when he shows up, Julia stops the beatdown and seems conflicted, and we finally get the big Brody debut

This was some of the best time management and pacing AEW's had in a show, they hit good beats, they made things feel pretty damn organic with the feuds set up, and nothing really felt out of place (Again I assume Lethal explains himself on Rampage). Wasn't the only person who even said this, so it being "really poor booking" isn't something felt by everyone.

I feel like the more people overanalyze how similar a segment might be in terms of wrestling tropes, the more tedious and nitpicky it gets and the fun just gets sucked right out of it. This stuff is just wrestling 101, in a show full of alliances, teams, and blood feuds that branch off into multiple people and teams, this stuff's just gonna be common, and it should be common if the wrestlers aren't gonna be in their own dimension bubbles all the time imo.

[markymark]

It doesn matter as long as it makes sense and its interesting, might as well bring up Kingston interrupting Jericho or Serena sneak attacking Shida 

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 13, 2022 7:54:21 GMT -5 chrom said:

How many times now has it been that Best Friends have been beaten down and made to look like doofuses?

How many times does this always happen to them though and it in the end plays to the story? They always win their feud in the end and make it satisfying. It happened with Jericho, it happened with PNP, it happened with Rusev and Kip, it's pretty blatant that the only reason The Elite keep getting the upper hand has been cheating or numbers, the times where that doesn't apply, Best Friends have turned the tables.

The Bucks and Undisputed are gonna end up eating each other I feel like, Best Friends will stand tall when that happens and the feud will switch to the internal strife because they couldn't get it done together.

[dbrussel]

Run-ins after the match is over are not thecnically run-ins

[Bang Bang Bart]

Jan 13, 2022 8:02:42 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jan 13, 2022 7:54:21 GMT -5 chrom said:

How many times now has it been that Best Friends have been beaten down and made to look like doofuses?

How many times does this always happen to them though and it in the end plays to the story? They always win their feud in the end and make it satisfying. It happened with Jericho, it happened with PNP, it happened with Rusev and Kip, it's pretty blatant that the only reason The Elite keep getting the upper hand has been cheating or numbers, the times where that doesn't apply, Best Friends have turned the tables.

The Bucks and Undisputed are gonna end up eating each other I feel like, Best Friends will stand tall when that happens and the feud will switch to the internal strife because they couldn't get it done together.

The endgame is clearly the Elite vs. Paragon/Undisputed/Whatever tearing each other apart. Whether that happens sooner or later is anyone’s guess.

[lucas_lee]

Jan 13, 2022 7:57:57 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Not really, it's pretty subjective shit. The run ins or interruptions were all pretty different or at least had a point, and outside of Lethal which will more than likely be explained, they all had and served their purpose or have clear logic to them

- Bucks have a beef with Undispiuted, Best Friends have a beef with all of them, Baker coming out at the end pops the crowd and we get the big power couple move that people were waiting for since Cole got in the company
- Shawn Spears came out after the match was over to save MJF, and he should have since he's Wardlow's accountabilibuddy, it sets up Wardlow tension, it also set up Spears/Punk
- Lambert was out there for Hangman to run him down and they played well off of each other. A great misdirect as Archer went after him as he still hates him, but also wants the world title which he was robbed of in the Tournament due to injury, he has a pretty easy claim to this feud
- Black's was supposed to happen last week, Fenix got hurt, this was about as good as it could get, Black teased Penta last week, attacked him, The Blondes still have every reason to attack Malakai when he shows up, Julia stops the beatdown and seems conflicted, and we finally get the big Brody debut

This was some of the best time management and pacing AEW's had in a show, they hit good beats, they made things feel pretty damn organic with the feuds set up, and nothing really felt out of place (Again I assume Lethal explains himself on Rampage). Wasn't the only person who even said this, so it being "really poor booking" isn't something felt by everyone.

I feel like the more people overanalyze how similar a segment might be in terms of wrestling tropes, the more tedious and nitpicky it gets and the fun just gets sucked right out of it. This stuff is just wrestling 101, in a show full of alliances, teams, and blood feuds that branch off into multiple people and teams, this stuff's just gonna be common, and it should be common if the wrestlers aren't gonna be in their own dimension bubbles all the time imo.

I really hate the constant run-ins despite your explanations. Its just not what I like to see IMO

[asuka007]

I hated it back in the day when WCW was doing it with NWO. And I still do. Part of it is that AEW has multiple factions who all do it. It gets tedious.’

Also I’m getting rather tired of Beat Friends getting beat up constantly. And I have ZERO interest in Kris Statlander potentially losing again.

[Push R Truth]

For a single episode it's not bad to be heavy on run ins from time to time. But if every show ends up like that, different story.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 13, 2022 8:28:42 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jan 13, 2022 7:57:57 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Not really, it's pretty subjective shit. The run ins or interruptions were all pretty different or at least had a point, and outside of Lethal which will more than likely be explained, they all had and served their purpose or have clear logic to them

- Bucks have a beef with Undispiuted, Best Friends have a beef with all of them, Baker coming out at the end pops the crowd and we get the big power couple move that people were waiting for since Cole got in the company
- Shawn Spears came out after the match was over to save MJF, and he should have since he's Wardlow's accountabilibuddy, it sets up Wardlow tension, it also set up Spears/Punk
- Lambert was out there for Hangman to run him down and they played well off of each other. A great misdirect as Archer went after him as he still hates him, but also wants the world title which he was robbed of in the Tournament due to injury, he has a pretty easy claim to this feud
- Black's was supposed to happen last week, Fenix got hurt, this was about as good as it could get, Black teased Penta last week, attacked him, The Blondes still have every reason to attack Malakai when he shows up, Julia stops the beatdown and seems conflicted, and we finally get the big Brody debut

This was some of the best time management and pacing AEW's had in a show, they hit good beats, they made things feel pretty damn organic with the feuds set up, and nothing really felt out of place (Again I assume Lethal explains himself on Rampage). Wasn't the only person who even said this, so it being "really poor booking" isn't something felt by everyone.

I feel like the more people overanalyze how similar a segment might be in terms of wrestling tropes, the more tedious and nitpicky it gets and the fun just gets sucked right out of it. This stuff is just wrestling 101, in a show full of alliances, teams, and blood feuds that branch off into multiple people and teams, this stuff's just gonna be common, and it should be common if the wrestlers aren't gonna be in their own dimension bubbles all the time imo.

I really hate the constant run-ins despite your explanations. Its just not what I like to see IMO

OK? That's fine, but my thing was saying it's shit or poor booking is not fact, it's subjective. Run-Ins or Post-Match/Promo Segment storylines which was more the case tonight, are also going to either be welcomed or indifferent to many people too, myself included. AEW's a very in the trenches promotion with a lot of sides and a lot of friends and enemies, it's just a natural part of the program.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jan 13, 2022 8:33:44 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

I hated it back in the day when WCW was doing it with NWO. And I still do. Part of it is that AEW has multiple factions who all do it. It gets tedious.’

Also I’m getting rather tired of Beat Friends getting beat up constantly. And I have ZERO interest in Kris Statlander potentially losing again.

It's not all NWO shit though, there's a balance to this, it's more New Japan than anything else, groups get beat down, they fight back, people have beefs with one another and try and escalate it or save their buddies from certain disaster, is it better if they just ignore what's happening? Then we get the "Oh gee thanks for helping guys, they look like idiots for not doing something!!" people, you literally can't win.

Statlander hasn't lost yet either, I think she only loses if the Hirsch stuff boils over, that's an underlying factor in the whole thing

[polarbearpete]

It can get a little overkill but I don’t mind it too much. I thought it was odd/poor booking to put Wardlow dominating Punk for most of the match with MJF on the outside and Punk getting a flash pin back to back with Hobbs dominating Martin for most of the match with Starks on the outside and Martin getting a flash pin.

[Kalmia]

For me, it depends on a case-by-case basis. If it's a promo interruption and the promo has been announced and promoted beforehand (like Hangman's) then I have no problem with it. The champ is out there and he doesn't have a challenger so of course someone is going to run in and call their shot. It'd be weirder if someone didn't, IMO. Same with the Bucks questioning Cole about why they weren't out there with him for his promo, it's more unlikely that they'd stay backstage and not do anything.

It's the more random run-ins and doing too many on one show that I don't like. AEW needs to cut back and do a couple less each show, I think.

[Deleted]

I understand why people dislike it, but I actually like it. If we are supposed to suspend our disbelief and treat everything we're seeing as "real," then it wouldn't make any sense for people's friends to just sit idly by while they get assaulted after a match. I'm very partial to the NJPW-style faction based booking that AEW is running, though.

Where it causes problems is when it's internally inconsistent. The refs constantly turning a blind eye to everything is legitimately frustrating when the company places such an emphasis on everything being believable and "sportslike."

[mrbananagrabber]

Jan 13, 2022 10:37:12 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

I understand why people dislike it, but I actually like it. If we are supposed to suspend our disbelief and treat everything we're seeing as "real," then it wouldn't make any sense for people's friends to just sit idly by while they get assaulted after a match. I'm very partial to the NJPW-style faction based booking that AEW is running, though.

Where it causes problems is when it's internally inconsistent. The refs constantly turning a blind eye to everything is legitimately frustrating when the company places such an emphasis on everything being believable and "sportslike."

I’ve never understood AEW being “believable” when they’ve got Young Bucks matches and kayfabe killer Orange Cassidy on the show.

[Cyno]

Jan 13, 2022 10:37:12 GMT -5 @mattyphatty said:

I understand why people dislike it, but I actually like it. If we are supposed to suspend our disbelief and treat everything we're seeing as "real," then it wouldn't make any sense for people's friends to just sit idly by while they get assaulted after a match. I'm very partial to the NJPW-style faction based booking that AEW is running, though.

Where it causes problems is when it's internally inconsistent. The refs constantly turning a blind eye to everything is legitimately frustrating when the company places such an emphasis on everything being believable and "sportslike."

The refs being blind as hell is probably the most believably sportslike part of the presentation.

[asuka007]

Also conveniently babyface friends never come out to help when other faces are having matches against Britt.

So AEW kind of tries to have it both ways.

The issue for me is that you cannot go one show basically without multiple post match brawls, or run ins from MULTIPLE factions. It’s too much.

As for the Best Friends, they got laid out by the HFO to end that feud. And this one has been going for a quite awhile. I’m tired of the beat downs, they look like idiots at this point.

[asuka007]

Jan 13, 2022 8:49:53 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Jan 13, 2022 8:33:44 GMT -5 asuka007 said:

I hated it back in the day when WCW was doing it with NWO. And I still do. Part of it is that AEW has multiple factions who all do it. It gets tedious.’

Also I’m getting rather tired of Beat Friends getting beat up constantly. And I have ZERO interest in Kris Statlander potentially losing again.

It's not all NWO shit though, there's a balance to this, it's more New Japan than anything else, groups get beat down, they fight back, people have beefs with one another and try and escalate it or save their buddies from certain disaster, is it better if they just ignore what's happening? Then we get the "Oh gee thanks for helping guys, they look like idiots for not doing something!!" people, you literally can't win.

Statlander hasn't lost yet either, I think she only loses if the Hirsch stuff boils over, that's an underlying factor in the whole thing

Britt’s booking does not fill me with confidence. And Stat should not lose to Britt at all now. I don’t care how they try and do it.