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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 3, 2022 0:21:25 GMT -5
If Flash gets dumped too, I fully expect Michael Keaton to sue WB. On what grounds? He's already been paid. As shitty as it is, it's not vastly different from an actor getting cut from a movie in the final edit. If The Flash gets cancelled and he has theatrical release points in his contract, he could potentially sue, as ScarJo did with Black Widow. But for a direct-to-streaming movie? I can't imagine there's much of a case to make.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 3, 2022 0:21:37 GMT -5
So it's so bad that they feel that even if it would make at least some money back, releasing it will hurt the DC movie/TV brand overall to such degree that burying it is for the best? I mean they released the Snyder Cut and that didn't effect Batman or the Suicide Squad... and again we live in a universe where Morbius can get TWO theatrical releases.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Aug 3, 2022 0:33:46 GMT -5
If Flash gets dumped too, I fully expect Michael Keaton to sue WB. On what grounds? He's already been paid. As shitty as it is, it's not vastly different from an actor getting cut from a movie in the final edit. If The Flash gets cancelled and he has theatrical release points in his contract, he could potentially sue, as ScarJo did with Black Widow. But for a direct-to-streaming movie? I can't imagine there's much of a case to make. The damage to his career of being cut from one film and having another thrown into a hole, and possibly a second one, in addition to the time wasted where he could have made movies people actually got to see.
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Post by Scoops on Aug 3, 2022 0:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 3, 2022 0:41:24 GMT -5
The damage to his career of being cut from one film and having another thrown into a hole, and possibly a second one, in addition to the time wasted where he could have made movies people actually got to see. I doubt he feels that strongly about it. He openly admits he has never seen a Marvel or DC movie, including the ones he's starred in, as he's got "other shit to do." On top of that, most contracts don't even guarantee the release of a movie; if they did, there'd be a lot of lawsuits going around. Studios are good at covering their asses like that. Even the Black Widow situation was an exceptional circumstance, because Johansson's lawsuit was based on the method of the release.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 3, 2022 1:06:02 GMT -5
The damage to his career of being cut from one film and having another thrown into a hole, and possibly a second one, in addition to the time wasted where he could have made movies people actually got to see. I doubt he feels that strongly about it. He openly admits he has never seen a Marvel or DC movie, including the ones he's starred in, as he's got "other shit to do." On top of that, most contracts don't even guarantee the release of a movie; if they did, there'd be a lot of lawsuits going around. Studios are good at covering their asses like that. Even the Black Widow situation was an exceptional circumstance, because Johansson's lawsuit was based on the method of the release. some movies DO have it written how something would be released. It's way New Mutants was plopped into theaters with no fanfare.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 3, 2022 1:27:41 GMT -5
some movies DO have it written how something would be released. It's way New Mutants was plopped into theaters with no fanfare. Indeed, and that movie didn't feature a single actor with the clout Michael Keaton has, which is why I am very confident that there was no such clause in any Batgirl contract. The Flash? That's more probable, given it was always intended to be a theatrical release.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 3, 2022 1:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 3, 2022 1:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by Display Name on Aug 3, 2022 1:58:15 GMT -5
So ‘Blue Beetle’ has to be done for as well, right?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 3, 2022 2:13:01 GMT -5
So ‘Blue Beetle’ has to be done for as well, right? I think they're all done. Gadot has made it as plain as possible without actually saying it that she's done after Wonder Woman 3. Momoa's contract is up after Aquaman 2, and whether he returns after or not will depend entirely on the box office. The Flash may not even get released, and even if it does, Miller's done. Shazam does not fit in with Zaslav's vision of huge tentpole pictures only. Black Adam needs to do huge numbers, because if it doesn't Zaslav won't hesitate to cut Rock loose. Blue Beetle, Black Canary, and Nightwing? I won't be holding my breath. At this point, only The Batman and Joker sequels are safe. Zaslav has said Matt Reeves' is WB's crown jewel, and he offered control of DC Films to Todd Phillips.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Aug 3, 2022 2:54:11 GMT -5
It's funny how "hiring based on merit" so often translates to exclusively hiring cis white men.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 3, 2022 3:09:14 GMT -5
This seems hugely screwed up at all levels.
Like, lots of people across the board making bad decisions, from production to filming to the executive level.
I'm slightly reminded of that Palicki Wonder Woman fiasco from 2011, but that was never intended as a theatrical release, always a tv show.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 3, 2022 6:30:14 GMT -5
On what grounds? He's already been paid. As shitty as it is, it's not vastly different from an actor getting cut from a movie in the final edit. If The Flash gets cancelled and he has theatrical release points in his contract, he could potentially sue, as ScarJo did with Black Widow. But for a direct-to-streaming movie? I can't imagine there's much of a case to make. The damage to his career of being cut from one film and having another thrown into a hole, and possibly a second one, in addition to the time wasted where he could have made movies people actually got to see. Neither movie is he the star of. Neither movie has been marketed yet using his name. Until the commercials start coming out I bet 90% of the US would have no idea Michael Keaton is going to be Batman again. These movies being binned would not affect his career in any way. Only way he sues is if Flash is cancelled and he has profit points. Edit. Now the people whose careers will be affected are the director and star. If this movie is bad thats one thing. But if it just doesnt fit the new direction Discovery wants to go in thats another entirely. Careers could be ruined by this over a perfectly fine movie that gets buried because of "business".
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 3, 2022 6:44:13 GMT -5
Just to add as well, I absolutely get the sentiment about The Flash. Ezra Miller is a liability and if they can take them out of the movie or find a replacement in re-shoots, they should.
But I’m seeing the whole “They chose ___ over _____” and 1) there isn’t a guarantee they aren’t going to axe that as well (Hollywood Reporter said the decision hasn’t been made yet) and 2) You’re basically saying “I’d rather the first Hispanic Supergirl suffer than the first Hispanic Batgirl” which even if you don’t mean it that way, that’s the Sophie’s Choice you’re proposing and that’s what sucks the most about this. Keaton will be fine, Miller (for now, somehow) will be fine, Simmons will be fine but there’s no guarantee Leslie Grace or (if it were to happen) Antje Traue will get work in those roles again or any kind of work for a while because of their associations with those movies.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Aug 3, 2022 6:56:27 GMT -5
DC is a f***ing mess.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 3, 2022 7:09:13 GMT -5
It is, and I think this period of turmoil should geet a documentary some day to detail all of it. It's truly a story of studio interference and directors with their heads up their own asses.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 3, 2022 7:09:19 GMT -5
Really, it's Warner Media in general. A lot of rapid shifts in directions are happening where long-running shows on TNT and TBS are being axed, projects and shows are being stopped and axed for Cartoon Network and Adult Swim and no doubt this won't be the last we hear about shifts in what Warner Bros themselves wants to do with their movie projects. It's likely going to get worse before it gets better across the board.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 3, 2022 7:42:33 GMT -5
I hate this. Really, it's Warner Media in general. A lot of rapid shifts in directions are happening where long-running shows on TNT and TBS are being axed, projects and shows are being stopped and axed for Cartoon Network and Adult Swim and no doubt this won't be the last we hear about shifts in what Warner Bros themselves wants to do with their movie projects. It's likely going to get worse before it gets better across the board. Yeah, there's not much safe right now. The safest show on HBO is Last Week Tonight, and after that I think everything's fair game to get the axe with how Discovery's operating.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Aug 3, 2022 7:43:55 GMT -5
I hate this. Really, it's Warner Media in general. A lot of rapid shifts in directions are happening where long-running shows on TNT and TBS are being axed, projects and shows are being stopped and axed for Cartoon Network and Adult Swim and no doubt this won't be the last we hear about shifts in what Warner Bros themselves wants to do with their movie projects. It's likely going to get worse before it gets better across the board. Yeah, there's not much safe right now. The safest show on HBO is Last Week Tonight, and after that I think everything's fair game to get the axe with how Discovery's operating. If you're sports or you're considered cheap and/or bankable, you're basically safe. Everything else is on the block.
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