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Post by Feyrhausen on Jan 20, 2022 17:42:52 GMT -5
The change of Tim Burton to Joel Schumacher for the live action Batman films. A lot of the reason of McDonalds and,parents complaining that Batman Returns was too violent Joel got a lot of flack for his films, but the more you read the more you realise he was a victim of creative meddling. He was explicitly given instructions for Batman and Robin to make the film as Toyetic as possible. For the producers hiring him allowed them to retake control of the franchise after bending over backwards to keep Burton for Returns. Schumacher doing a Lost Boys level mix of humor and horror would be a perfect fit for Batman.
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Post by legendkiller1985 on Jan 20, 2022 18:44:52 GMT -5
The change of Tim Burton to Joel Schumacher for the live action Batman films. A lot of the reason of McDonalds and,parents complaining that Batman Returns was too violent Joel got a lot of flack for his films, but the more you read the more you realise he was a victim of creative meddling. He was explicitly given instructions for Batman and Robin to make the film as Toyetic as possible. For the producers hiring him allowed them to retake control of the franchise after bending over backwards to keep Burton for Returns. Agreed that's why they hired him because the studio was caught with its pants down and didn't want to make the same mistake twice. I posted that due to Batman 89 probably being the unproduced Burton script.
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Post by fw91 on Jan 20, 2022 19:24:52 GMT -5
Rugrats swtiched writers when they came back for the 97 relaunch. A big downgrade from the early 90 years. Yep, came here to post that one. Even as a kid I realized something was just really off with the show, not just the voices. Kids got dumber, less adult jokes
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jan 20, 2022 19:33:12 GMT -5
Dan Harmon’s a pretty crummy guy but holy hell, that season of Community they did without him was complete garbage.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jan 20, 2022 20:01:15 GMT -5
ABC hiring Q5 to "fix" The Real Ghostbusters. Their genius ideas included, way more Slimer, the Junior Ghostbusters, changing Janine's look(because, kids are afraid of sharp things), as well as firing Laura Summer.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jan 20, 2022 20:28:09 GMT -5
Chris Savino ruined both the Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Laboratory.
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Post by James Fabiano on Jan 20, 2022 22:00:55 GMT -5
Yep, came here to post that one. Even as a kid I realized something was just really off with the show, not just the voices. Kids got dumber, less adult jokes I was coming to say...this was when they Flanderised them mispronouncing things? Even ones they named correctly in the past?
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 21, 2022 1:44:56 GMT -5
Going from Clairemont to Scott Jobdell on Uncanny X-men. The comic quickly went from one I read as soon as I got a new issue to one I would let pile up for months.
I still believe Jobdell had some kind of blackmail on one of the higher ups at Marvel.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 21, 2022 1:46:14 GMT -5
Dan Harmon’s a pretty crummy guy but holy hell, that season of Community they did without him was complete garbage. I kept seeing people say that. So 4 years ago when I watched Community for the first time I kept waiting for a horrible season. Never saw one. Hell I can't tell you what season Harmon didn't do.
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Post by thechase on Jan 21, 2022 2:21:53 GMT -5
-Going from fricking J. Michael Strazynski to the Brand New Day team on Amazing Spider-Man On the other hand, JMS DID mean that Gwen's children story Imma just gonna say it, I don't actually mind Sins Past. It's not a particularly a ppropriate story for modern times, but It made Gwen a lot more interesting than she ever actually was. JMS probably should have left the book after he wrapped up the Ezekiel plot (when Romita Jr left), as the second half of his run is only remembered for the disasters like Sins Past, The Other, and One More Day (with the exception of "Back In Black")
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Post by Scoops on Jan 21, 2022 2:28:35 GMT -5
Wonder Woman going from Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chaing to David Finch and his wife who wrote maybe one indie comic.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 21, 2022 2:43:42 GMT -5
Simpsons when it was passed to Mike Scully
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Post by MrElijah on Jan 21, 2022 2:47:28 GMT -5
Roger Stern was either fired or quit off of Avengers because he refused an editorial mandate to do that title's version of 'Mutant Massacre/Fall of the Mutants' where the line-up was changed drastically. The normally solid Walt Simonson took over the book and proved why Stern was right. What's the story behind that one because it always seem that before they got real popular, Marvel always tried to push the Avengers into the X-Men's direction.
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Post by thechase on Jan 21, 2022 3:26:21 GMT -5
Sliders...when David Peckinpah took over for season three and he turned the show into a brainless 'movie pastiche of the week' series, which led to John Rhys-Davis being fired and his character lobotomized/killed off. I do think seasons four and five are a smidge underrated, but the damage was done.
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Post by Sparvid on Jan 21, 2022 4:12:59 GMT -5
Going from Clairemont to Scott Jobdell on Uncanny X-men. The comic quickly went from one I read as soon as I got a new issue to one I would let pile up for months. I still believe Jobdell had some kind of blackmail on one of the higher ups at Marvel. IIRC, Lobdell (and possibly Nicieza too on the other title) basically just happened to be around when the Image walkouts took place, and after the dust finally settled ended up becoming the regular writer sort of by default because there wasn't anyone else willing or available to be take the job.
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Post by thechase on Jan 21, 2022 4:22:46 GMT -5
Nightwing: Benjamin Percy's run cut short and given to Scott Lobdell...the infamous 'Ric Grayson' era, which eventually had to be cleaned up and finished by Dan Jurgens after Lobdell got in trouble.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 21, 2022 8:23:15 GMT -5
The change of Tim Burton to Joel Schumacher for the live action Batman films. A lot of the reason of McDonalds and,parents complaining that Batman Returns was too violent Joel got a lot of flack for his films, but the more you read the more you realise he was a victim of creative meddling. He was explicitly given instructions for Batman and Robin to make the film as Toyetic as possible. For the producers hiring him allowed them to retake control of the franchise after bending over backwards to keep Burton for Returns. Yeah, Schumacher's original version was closer to Burton's. He wanted it to be darker and really examine the question of if Bruce Wayne and Batman could coexist. Which one was real and which one was the mask?
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Post by peaches1 on Jan 21, 2022 9:28:42 GMT -5
Roger Stern was either fired or quit off of Avengers because he refused an editorial mandate to do that title's version of 'Mutant Massacre/Fall of the Mutants' where the line-up was changed drastically. The normally solid Walt Simonson took over the book and proved why Stern was right. What's the story behind that one because it always seem that before they got real popular, Marvel always tried to push the Avengers into the X-Men's direction. I may have gotten some of the details wrong. I swear I remember reading Stern left the Avengers because they wanted an X-men style reshuffling of the roster and he refused, but all I can find online is a story that Stern was fired off the book because he disagreed with the editor's idea that then team leader Captain Marvel/Monica Rambeau had to be replaced by Captain America because she proved she wasn't up to the job.
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Post by Ganon83 on Jan 21, 2022 18:10:23 GMT -5
Doctor Who: Russel T. Davies to Steven Moffat, things started off well but mid-way through series six Moffat lost his way and never really found his feet on the programme again due to diverting attention towards Sherlock. Matt Smith's portrayal and the fantasy/fairy tale motif carried it a little further along, peaking at the 50th anniversary, but by Peter Capaldi the show had slowly become more hard-line sci-fi and catered only to geeks than the average goggleboxer. Moffat on his worst day is better than Chris Chibnall on his best, but his best days were spent as a writer, not a showrunner. If I had to fill a writing room for a new show in that vain, Moffat would be my first hire. Medicore at best showrunner but shines bright when you give him a pen and 45 minutes.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jan 21, 2022 18:15:17 GMT -5
Kids got dumber, less adult jokes I was coming to say...this was when they Flanderised them mispronouncing things? Even ones they named correctly in the past? The Flanderization was just as bad, if not worse, with the adult characters. Didi couldon’t function without Lipschitz, manchild Stu and straight-laced Drew couldn’t get along for more than 2 minutes, Charlotte was a workaholic, Howard’s main personality trait was that he had no personality, and so on.
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