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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 0:05:59 GMT -5
I mean shit Ronda Rousey has said a bunch of Sandy Hook conspiracy shit, no one care she said it? I'm trying to figure out why there's a double standard. It's because WWE is completely shameless and just doesn't care. Look how long they took to fire people like Lars Sullivan, (f***ing) Gunner, Velveteen Dream, and Drake Wuertz. And their shit was widely known. So basically no one did anything while he was in the WWE because they didn't think WWE would do anything? I mean that's probably accurate.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 0:06:46 GMT -5
I mean shit Ronda Rousey has said a bunch of Sandy Hook conspiracy shit, no one care she said it? I'm trying to figure out why there's a double standard. I cared. I cared a lot. There's often no double standard, it's an awareness thing. Or it's a "People brought it up and nothing ever happened and people got tired" thing. WWE didn't care about Ronda's transphobia or her Sandy Hook comments, and they made the rounds, but like. How many times can you bang the drum before you just give up and quietly resent her?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:07:26 GMT -5
It's because WWE is completely shameless and just doesn't care. Look how long they took to fire people like Lars Sullivan, (f***ing) Gunner, Velveteen Dream, and Drake Wuertz. And their shit was widely known. So basically no one did anything while he was in the WWE because they didn't think WWE would do anything? I mean that's probably accurate. In Brian's case, it's really hard to say who knew. One of the only people who seemed to fully and openly know was Paul London, who broke off all contact with him awhile ago.
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Post by mattyy on Feb 3, 2022 0:08:08 GMT -5
This thread is flirting uncomfortably close with making a Holocaust denier somehow seem like a victim. I'd just like to point out again, that this only became an issue today. If anything, my point is a lot of people have selective outrage. "Oh well he made stupid comments but he is apart of WWE so I'm not going to post the removed trailer for the removed shoot interview that you can no longer view or purchase. Oh he's out of WWE now? Okay here we go." Why wasn't this an issue in 2016 when he re-signed? Or when he was in the cruiserweight title picture in 2018? Or a month ago when he was in a feud with Harland? The clip is from a while back, not two weeks ago. He admits to saying stupid shit he regrets in regards to conspiracies in Lillian's interview with him. and for the record, holocaust deniers and sandy hook deniers can f*** themselves. I just think it's funny that this wasn't a big deal until he was no longer employed by WWE.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 0:08:17 GMT -5
This thread is flirting uncomfortably close with making a Holocaust denier somehow seem like a victim. No no if you say 'sorry' then you're safe. It's like dibs. If you say you're sorry people absolutely have to take your apology regardless of what you said in the first place or how sincere you actually sound. You have to. You have to accept you. You wanted this.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 3, 2022 0:08:21 GMT -5
It's because WWE is completely shameless and just doesn't care. Look how long they took to fire people like Lars Sullivan, (f***ing) Gunner, Velveteen Dream, and Drake Wuertz. And their shit was widely known. So basically no one did anything while he was in the WWE because they didn't think WWE would do anything? I mean that's probably accurate. There was a lot of noise made about the likes of Drake and Dream, both in the fanbase and even from roster members and other employees. They just didn't give a shit.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 0:09:25 GMT -5
So basically no one did anything while he was in the WWE because they didn't think WWE would do anything? I mean that's probably accurate. In Brian's case, it's really hard to say who knew. One of the only people who seemed to fully and openly know was Paul London, who broke off all contact with him awhile ago. I knew about it, if you were a wrestling fan in the 2013 range it was pretty widely known that he did a shoot full of conspiracy theories and said a bunch of insane things. I just thought it was pretty common knowledge he said all those things.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 0:12:20 GMT -5
This thread is flirting uncomfortably close with making a Holocaust denier somehow seem like a victim. I'd just like to point out again, that this only became an issue today. If anything, my point is a lot of people have selective outrage. "Oh well he made stupid comments but he is apart of WWE so I'm not going to post the removed trailer for the removed shoot interview that you can no longer view or purchase. Oh he's out of WWE now? Okay here we go." Why wasn't this an issue in 2016 when he re-signed? Or when he was in the cruiserweight title picture in 2018? Or a month ago when he was in a feud with Harland? The clip is from a while back, not two weeks ago. He admits to saying stupid shit he regrets in regards to conspiracies in Lillian's interview with him. I mean aside from all the people who seemed to not know it was all this bad,--which again includes David Bixenspan, the guy who ran the crusade on the Drake Younger QAnon stuff, raised awareness about the f***ed up Jerry Lawler allegations from the '90s--uh. People did know. Yo ucan find little whispers and murmurs of it across the years on this board, but it was rarely brought up because WWE wasn't going to care and there's no use in being blue in the face. Most people know about AJ Styles's less than savory comments. "The gay community?" is a giant meme. But like how many times can you go around yelling about it to a wall? A lot of people don't like AJ because of them, they just keep quiet about it because "Daily reminder AJ Styles dropped the hard r n word and used the f slur in a promo" is not only grating, but if people actually did it, it'd get lots of eye-rolling "We get it shut up SJW" comments. Like there's a losing game here.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 0:14:01 GMT -5
I'd just like to point out again, that this only became an issue today. If anything, my point is a lot of people have selective outrage. "Oh well he made stupid comments but he is apart of WWE so I'm not going to post the removed trailer for the removed shoot interview that you can no longer view or purchase. Oh he's out of WWE now? Okay here we go." Why wasn't this an issue in 2016 when he re-signed? Or when he was in the cruiserweight title picture in 2018? Or a month ago when he was in a feud with Harland? The clip is from a while back, not two weeks ago. He admits to saying stupid shit he regrets in regards to conspiracies in Lillian's interview with him. I mean aside from all the people who seemed to not know it was all this bad,--which again includes David Bixenspan, the guy who ran the crusade on the Drake Younger QAnon stuff, raised awareness about the f***ed up Jerry Lawler allegations from the '90s--uh. People did know. Yo ucan find little whispers and murmurs of it across the years on this board, but it was rarely brought up because WWE wasn't going to care and there's no use in being blue in the face. Most people know about AJ Styles's less than savory comments. "The gay community?" is a giant meme. But like how many times can you go around yelling about it to a wall? A lot of people don't like AJ because of them, they just keep quiet about it because "Daily reminder AJ Styles dropped the hard r n word and used the f slur in a promo" is not only grating, but if people actually did it, it'd get lots of eye-rolling "We get it shut up SJW" comments. Like there's a losing game here. Unfortunately some of it has to do with who said it....AEW pulled Kendrick if it were AJ, they wouldn't have at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:16:29 GMT -5
I mean aside from all the people who seemed to not know it was all this bad,--which again includes David Bixenspan, the guy who ran the crusade on the Drake Younger QAnon stuff, raised awareness about the f***ed up Jerry Lawler allegations from the '90s--uh. People did know. Yo ucan find little whispers and murmurs of it across the years on this board, but it was rarely brought up because WWE wasn't going to care and there's no use in being blue in the face. Most people know about AJ Styles's less than savory comments. "The gay community?" is a giant meme. But like how many times can you go around yelling about it to a wall? A lot of people don't like AJ because of them, they just keep quiet about it because "Daily reminder AJ Styles dropped the hard r n word and used the f slur in a promo" is not only grating, but if people actually did it, it'd get lots of eye-rolling "We get it shut up SJW" comments. Like there's a losing game here. Unfortunately some of it has to do with who said it....AEW pulled Kendrick if it were AJ, they wouldn't have at all. That's simply not true, pretty sure anyone who said something that blatant would get the hammer thrown down on them. AJ's said some dumb shit but he never denied the damn Holocaust...
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 3, 2022 0:17:03 GMT -5
In terms of a double standard, I definitely think it's partly about star power and people caring. To be frank, AEW could've still had Kendrick on and it wouldn't have affected them THAT much. For all the issues people here have with Lethal (and I see it on Twitter too), the people in the arenas don't know anything about it. Maybe some in Chicago would've known but it would've been a minority. Most at home wouldn't know. It's still the right decision ethically and PR wise given it's high risk/low reward. But with Ronda, the reward is seemingly high on the surface.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 0:17:10 GMT -5
"I apologize for all the hurt and embarassment I have caused with my words. These are not my beliefs and never were beliefs of mine, and I crossed the line as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, and that will make it a 4-0 ballgame." That one hurts, as a Reds fan.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 0:18:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately some of it has to do with who said it....AEW pulled Kendrick if it were AJ, they wouldn't have at all. That's simply not true, pretty sure anyone who said something that blatant would get the hammer thrown down on them. AJ's said some dumb shit but he never denied the damn Holocaust... No I'm saying that if there had been a push to get them to not hire AJ they would have have not cared what people said. Also having Kendrick on the show where MJF gets his big moment after his comments would have been super just bad taste.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 3, 2022 0:21:37 GMT -5
I'm a Jew, I've heard plenty of repugnant stuff in my life, and this stuff here is right at the top of the list. I don't even think the phrase "denying the Holocaust" is enough when describing what he said, and as I keep seeing he whataboutism coming up, I felt like that needed to be said.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 0:22:34 GMT -5
In terms of a double standard, I definitely think it's partly about star power and people caring. To be frank, AEW could've still had Kendrick on and it wouldn't have affected them THAT much. For all the issues people here have with Lethal (and I see it on Twitter too), the people in the arenas don't know anything about it. Maybe some in Chicago would've known but it would've been a minority. Most at home wouldn't know. It's still the right decision ethically and PR wise given it's high risk/low reward. But with Ronda, the reward is seemingly high on the surface. I think it had to do with it being MJFs big career defining moment.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Feb 3, 2022 0:22:50 GMT -5
I mean shit Ronda Rousey has said a bunch of Sandy Hook conspiracy shit, no one care she said it? I'm trying to figure out why there's a double standard. I'm pretty sure Ronda is actually connected to the Kendrick thing blowing up. On Reddit a day or so ago there were two highly upvotes posts at the same time (and the stuff that gets big there usually makes it over to Twitter). One criticizing Ronda about a past tweet she made and one celebrating Brian Kendrick coming to AEW. People pointed out it was weird for the same community calling out Ronda to be celebrating someone who had said worse. A lot of people at first thought that Kendrick was just a dumb stoner conspiracy theorist. Like a flat earther type dumbass but relatively harmless. David Bixenspan on Twitter today though did a deep dive and uncovered (or re-covered?) way worse stuff about Jews, 9/11, the holocaust, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 0:24:26 GMT -5
I can listen to some conspiracy theories and see where they're coming from. I'm pretty open minded in the sense where I could listen to something like "Oh these people on TV are crisis actors" and consider the possibility.
But I can't believe people actually think the Holocaust didn't happen. There's loads of people still living who've lived through that. Kendrick surely can't think they're all lying?
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Post by lionheart21 on Feb 3, 2022 0:25:10 GMT -5
Sorry Kendrick, but if those were your words and words that you have repeated on many occasions, they're also your beliefs.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 3, 2022 0:26:14 GMT -5
In terms of a double standard, I definitely think it's partly about star power and people caring. To be frank, AEW could've still had Kendrick on and it wouldn't have affected them THAT much. For all the issues people here have with Lethal (and I see it on Twitter too), the people in the arenas don't know anything about it. Maybe some in Chicago would've known but it would've been a minority. Most at home wouldn't know. It's still the right decision ethically and PR wise given it's high risk/low reward. But with Ronda, the reward is seemingly high on the surface. I think it had to do with it being MJFs big career defining moment. I think it had to do with Brian Kendrick saying a bunch of Jewish doctors were put on a plane right when Haiti had it's earthquake to go harvest human organs, and it wouldn't have mattered if MJF, Darby Allen, or Billy Gunn was going over.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 0:30:45 GMT -5
I think it had to do with it being MJFs big career defining moment. I think it had to do with Brian Kendrick saying a bunch of Jewish doctors were put on a plane right when Haiti had it's earthquake to go harvest human organs, and it wouldn't have mattered if MJF, Darby Allen, or Billy Gunn was going over. The fact we keep circling around this whataboutism of "AJ Styles wouldn't be dropped by AEW" like Kendrick didn't say shit this unbelievably f***ing insane is itself insane to me. Kendrick went above and beyond off-color comments or even beyond using some naughty words he shouldn't have. He dropped serious, deep, hardcore anti-Semitic Holocaust Denier claims that weren't surface level bits but the kind of shit you learn through watching hours-long documentaries produced by neo-nazis. The claims Kendrick made go above and beyond some bad ideas or no-no words. I strongly dislike AJ because of his no-no words. I think Ronda is trash. Kendrick's stuff extends past another f***ing level.
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