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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:31:58 GMT -5
In terms of a double standard, I definitely think it's partly about star power and people caring. To be frank, AEW could've still had Kendrick on and it wouldn't have affected them THAT much. For all the issues people here have with Lethal (and I see it on Twitter too), the people in the arenas don't know anything about it. Maybe some in Chicago would've known but it would've been a minority. Most at home wouldn't know. It's still the right decision ethically and PR wise given it's high risk/low reward. But with Ronda, the reward is seemingly high on the surface. I think it had to do with it being MJFs big career defining moment. Listen the optics would have looked bad whether it was MJFs moment or if AEW's main event was CM Punk blowing farts through a Tuba. Denying the Holocaust or what it was about is career suicide, ask Whoopi Goldberg how things are currently going for thinking she was playing some big brain 4D Chess with her hot take about it not being about race, and now her mainstream career is in jeopardy.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 3, 2022 0:36:11 GMT -5
Rather than disgusted I'm more flabbergasted by what a moron he sounds believing all this conspiracy theories tbh
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:37:23 GMT -5
Side note, only in the current era of wrestling can we have something as batshit as the Shane McMahon arrive, Rumble, leave story happen and within the span of hours, Brian Kendrick tells him to hold his beer as he gets hyped and wiped off the face of the wrestling earth in less than a day lmfao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 0:38:17 GMT -5
I mean shit Ronda Rousey has said a bunch of Sandy Hook conspiracy shit, no one care she said it? I'm trying to figure out why there's a double standard. I'm pretty sure Ronda is actually connected to the Kendrick thing blowing up. On Reddit a day or so ago there were two highly upvotes posts at the same time (and the stuff that gets big there usually makes it over to Twitter). One criticizing Ronda about a past tweet she made and one celebrating Brian Kendrick coming to AEW. People pointed out it was weird for the same community calling out Ronda to be celebrating someone who had said worse. A lot of people at first thought that Kendrick was just a dumb stoner conspiracy theorist. Like a flat earther type dumbass but relatively harmless. David Bixenspan on Twitter today though did a deep dive and uncovered (or re-covered?) way worse stuff about Jews, 9/11, the holocaust, etc. Yeah, I guess that’s more to the point of what I was saying earlier. Like, around 2013 or so when the video was first made, there was all kinds of discussion about how messed up it was. Then, around 2016-17 when Kendrick was making his return to WWE there was another round of discussion about how messed up it was, and how he never really faced any ramifications over it. Like I said, it was a well-known enough thing that Edge and Christian outright discussed it on their podcast around 2017. But, it’s like, over the years everyone remembered that Kendrick did a shoot with weird conspiracy theories, but it somehow got swept under the rug as him being a kooky stoner and I think people just kind of forgot what those “weird conspiracy theories” actually were. I do think that Kendrick being put in a position of prominence for the first time in a decade, coupled with Rousey’s similarly ridiculous statements and apparent beliefs coming under scrutiny has caused this all to resurface more prominently the third time around, and this time Kendrick is finally facing ramifications. It raises interesting moral questions about whether stuff like this can ever be forgiven, and whether the passage of time should be factored in when evaluating abhorrent conduct like this. Because, the thing is, I’m not aware of anything quite as bad as Kendrick’s, but there are some shoot interviews floating around out there with guys like Samoa Joe, CM Punk, AJ Styles, and others from the early-to-mid 2000s that are incredibly misogynistic and prejudiced by today’s standards that are just waiting to be “unearthed,” despite having been publicly available this entire time.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 3, 2022 0:39:12 GMT -5
Welcome to the internet where apologies are never accepted despite being demanded. Whilst he deserves all the flack he gets for that shit and deserves to be fired, at the same time any apology will never be accepted on the internet anyway so swings and roundabouts
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 3, 2022 0:40:38 GMT -5
I can listen to some conspiracy theories and see where they're coming from. I'm pretty open minded in the sense where I could listen to something like "Oh these people on TV are crisis actors" and consider the possibility. But I can't believe people actually think the Holocaust didn't happen. There's loads of people still living who've lived through that. Kendrick surely can't think they're all lying? I agree. It blows my mind.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:40:50 GMT -5
I'm not as enthralled or emotionally attached to what Meltzer says usually like some people around the wrestling landscape, but color me very interested in just how much someone connected to the actual Holocaust through family members who legitimately died there has to say about Brian Kendrick's fiasco... have a feeling he's gonna tear him a new ass lmfao
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 0:44:23 GMT -5
Welcome to the internet where apologies are never accepted despite being demanded. Whilst he deserves all the flack he gets for that shit and deserves to be fired, at the same time any apology will never be accepted on the internet anyway so swings and roundabouts When your apology has a straight up lie in it, it's a swing and a roundabout right to your own jawline. "Those were never my beliefs" when there are piles of evidence to otherwise where he is standing pat and using tons of counterarguments and cited sources for those very controversial opinions, paints a very different picture about them never being your beliefs. If he had simply denounced them as something he thought he knew and was wildly misinformed on, his apology would have been much more accepted as a whole... he's deflecting too hard into a territory where he sounds disingenuous. When it's this ugly, you really have to own it, or you make it worse.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 3, 2022 0:46:04 GMT -5
Whilst he deserves all the flack he gets for that shit and deserves to be fired, at the same time any apology will never be accepted on the internet anyway so swings and roundabouts When your apology has a straight up lie in it, it's a swing and a roundabout right to your own jawline. "Those were never my beliefs" when there are piles of evidence to otherwise where he is standing pat and using tons of counterarguments and cited sources for those very controversial opinions, paints a very different picture about them never being your beliefs. If he had simply denounced them as something he thought he knew and was wildly misinformed on, his apology would have been much more accepted as a whole... he's deflecting too hard into a territory where he sounds disingenuous. When it's this ugly, you really have to own it, or you make it worse. He did a half assed apology over two tweets, why that isn't enough for some people, I just don't know. Must be that damn internet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 0:46:54 GMT -5
I can listen to some conspiracy theories and see where they're coming from. I'm pretty open minded in the sense where I could listen to something like "Oh these people on TV are crisis actors" and consider the possibility. But I can't believe people actually think the Holocaust didn't happen. There's loads of people still living who've lived through that. Kendrick surely can't think they're all lying? I agree. It blows my mind. Wait I have never seen him outright say it didn't happen...His stance was more that the numbers were inflated and other things built around propaganda...Not necessarily denying it's existence just downplaying it I guess. Disgusting and ignorant as if people are just numbers but that was my perspective of what he was saying without getting banned myself.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 3, 2022 0:55:00 GMT -5
Whilst he deserves all the flack he gets for that shit and deserves to be fired, at the same time any apology will never be accepted on the internet anyway so swings and roundabouts When your apology has a straight up lie in it, it's a swing and a roundabout right to your own jawline. "Those were never my beliefs" when there are piles of evidence to otherwise where he is standing pat and using tons of counterarguments and cited sources for those very controversial opinions, paints a very different picture about them never being your beliefs. If he had simply denounced them as something he thought he knew and was wildly misinformed on, his apology would have been much more accepted as a whole... he's deflecting too hard into a territory where he sounds disingenuous. When it's this ugly, you really have to own it, or you make it worse. To clarify I was talking more in general about online apologies. As for Kendrick, screw him anyway.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 0:56:27 GMT -5
I agree. It blows my mind. Wait I have never seen him outright say it didn't happen...His stance was more that the numbers were inflated and other things built around propaganda...Not necessarily denying it's existence just downplaying it I guess. Disgusting and ignorant as if people are just numbers but that was my perspective of what he was saying without getting banned myself. He talked about 'delousing chambers', and I know that might sound like a non-thing to people who don't know much about Holocaust denial, so it might help to explain this. Sorry mods. The claim he referred to is that the gas chambers where millions were exterminated were not in fact meant to kill, but were 'delousing chambers', and the chemicals used were in small amounts to clean off people and clothes, were and actually for the good and benefit of the prisoners! That there was no genocide, that the chambers were about getting rid of vermin and it was only a lie created by the Allies to demonize the German people, and that everything is a fabrication, and if you go to the camps and take a tour, you will see reconstructions and faked chambers that were constructed post-war to sell that lie. The numbers he's saying did die are often attributed to prisoners with poor health or through sicknesses running through the camps. Deaths that weren't about any mass genocide plans because there allegedly were no mass genocide plans. This then leads into claims of faked documents and accusations the Nuremburg trial was a fraud to suppress Germany and ensure global Jewish domination. So I promise, he is actually saying it didn't happen, it's just sneakily buried underneath the requirement that you know what these theories mean because he doesn't colour outside the lines.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 1:00:03 GMT -5
Wait I have never seen him outright say it didn't happen...His stance was more that the numbers were inflated and other things built around propaganda...Not necessarily denying it's existence just downplaying it I guess. Disgusting and ignorant as if people are just numbers but that was my perspective of what he was saying without getting banned myself. He talked about 'delousing chambers', and I know that might sound like a non-thing to people who don't know much about Holocaust denial, so it might help to explain this. Sorry mods. The claim he referred to is that the gas chambers where millions were exterminated were not in fact meant to kill, but were 'delousing chambers', and the chemicals used were in small amounts to clean off people and clothes, were and actually for the good and benefit of the prisoners! That there was no genocide, that the chambers were about getting rid of vermin and it was only a lie created by the Allies to demonize the German people, and that everything is a fabrication, and if you go to the camps and take a tour, you will see reconstructions and faked chambers that were constructed post-war to sell that lie. The numbers he's saying did die are often attributed to prisoners with poor health or through sicknesses running through the camps. Deaths that weren't about any mass genocide plans because there allegedly were no mass genocide plans. This then leads into claims of faked documents and accusations the Nuremburg trial was a fraud to suppress Germany and ensure global Jewish domination. So I promise, he is actually saying it didn't happen, it's just sneakily buried underneath the requirement that you know what these theories mean because he doesn't colour outside the lines. It's really, really weird for people who say this and even believe it, as there are thousands of Jewish prisoners who were and still aren't accounted for and were never seen again, but all that aside... you can literally see the insides of the Chambers to this day, and see that there were vast catacombs underneath I believe, more than likely for transferring the bodies after things had well, happened and finished.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 3, 2022 1:02:37 GMT -5
With the Whoopi Goldberg thing going on AEW ignoring that wouldve hurt them for a bit. I dont think Kendrick wouldve caused that much damage considering hes a footnote for the most part.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 1:09:13 GMT -5
As someone who took full Holocaust History classes in college and also met someone who survived a concentration camp and told their story to us at the same school, with pictures FROM their camp as proof of what they went through... it's honestly just astounding to see the stupidity the world can produce that it's 2022 and we have had back to back media stories about people being dumbf***s about its history, in Whoopi's case, on live television, and not a buried shoot interview.
Some peeps should not be given the platforms they are, but when they do show their full asses about how much they don't know, it sure is a spectacle lmfao
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 3, 2022 1:11:59 GMT -5
With the Whoopi Goldberg thing going on AEW ignoring that wouldve hurt them for a bit. I dont think Kendrick wouldve caused that much damage considering hes a footnote for the most part. AEW flat out could not afford to let Kendrick slip by after the flack they already took from Khan's dumb Swole tweet recently. Khan's stuff is very miniscule in comparison to the shit Brian said of course, and as others have said as well, WWE has kept people employed for gross shit before too, so if AEW wants to be different, they gotta nip this shit in the bud, no matter how big or small the wrestler is, it's not really something I think they could have ignored, cause it just would have kept spreading.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 3, 2022 1:26:17 GMT -5
As someone who took full Holocaust History classes in college and also met someone who survived a concentration camp and told their story to us at the same school, with pictures FROM their camp as proof of what they went through... it's honestly just astounding to see the stupidity the world can produce that it's 2022 and we have had back to back media stories about people being dumbf***s about its history, in Whoopi's case, on live television, and not a buried shoot interview. Some peeps should not be given the platforms they are, but when they do show their full asses about how much they don't know, it sure is a spectacle lmfao Agreed if we allow Holocaust denial to have a platform sooner or later we'll have Americans starting to deny slavery happened (Im aware this is a thing)
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 2:25:25 GMT -5
I'm not as enthralled or emotionally attached to what Meltzer says usually like some people around the wrestling landscape, but color me very interested in just how much someone connected to the actual Holocaust through family members who legitimately died there has to say about Brian Kendrick's fiasco... have a feeling he's gonna tear him a new ass lmfao Certainly Dave knew about this years ago right? I think I'm more befuddled people didn't know he said this stuff considering how old it is.
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Post by nate5054 on Feb 3, 2022 3:22:08 GMT -5
Welcome to the internet where apologies are never accepted despite being demanded. I agree with this sentiment in general, but his apology did kind of suck. Actually it was pretty good until the last line, which pretty much derailed it.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 3, 2022 3:36:16 GMT -5
The WWE are reportedly going after AEW's sponsors every chance they get, they can and would use it for that no matter how hypocritical it would be to do so. AEW pointing that out wouldn't really undo any damage done.
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