lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 3, 2022 9:23:53 GMT -5
I mean shit Ronda Rousey has said a bunch of Sandy Hook conspiracy shit, no one care she said it? I'm trying to figure out why there's a double standard. People bring it up about Ronda constantly. WWE doesn't care because she makes money. Chris Jericho and Jake Hager have said and done some horrible shit, but they're still around. Sammy Guevara said he wanted to rape Sasha Banks, and got a suspension. Jordan Devlin is still in WWE. If a company likes you, they'll look past what you've done as long, especially if you make the company money. Most people forgot Brian was her coach so he may have been the one to steer her towards that stupid belief
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 3, 2022 9:25:15 GMT -5
Obviously what Brian said was some crazy and awful stuff. But some other wrestlers just saying stuff that half the country doesn't agree with because of their political beliefs doesn't make them awful people. Undertaker and Kane seem to get crap for just having standard beliefs of one side (unless I missed something). If their views weren't harming people and spreading misinformation I'd agree
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Feb 3, 2022 9:28:34 GMT -5
Obviously what Brian said was some crazy and awful stuff. But some other wrestlers just saying stuff that half the country doesn't agree with because of their political beliefs doesn't make them awful people. Undertaker and Kane seem to get crap for just having standard beliefs of one side (unless I missed something). If their views weren't harming people and spreading misinformation I'd agree That's the thing, this stuff doesn't just get spread around and debated, it embeds itself into people and comes out either in stereotyping or even downright hate crimes. There's a chart on conspiracy theories and the degree of harm they can do and you can find it easily if you look for it but the simple gist is that denying the Holocaust had as many victims as it did, or even happening at all, is nowhere near the same as, say, believing man didn't land on the moon or it's actually some kind of space station or whatever nonsense he had.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 9:38:42 GMT -5
CM Punk: "I apologize to anyone I've hurt by being straight edge. Those were never my beliefs."
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Post by pinja on Feb 3, 2022 9:51:44 GMT -5
CM Punk: "I apologize to anyone I've hurt by being straight edge. Those were never my beliefs." CM Punk: "I'm straight edge." Edge: "Dude, me too." Kendrick: "Two guys claiming to be straight. Something doesn't add up." Davey Richards: "I bet they're planning a surprise for their wifes."
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Post by salz4life on Feb 3, 2022 10:18:51 GMT -5
"I apologize for all the hurt and embarassment I have caused with my words. These are not my beliefs and never were beliefs of mine, and I crossed the line as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos, and that will make it a 4-0 ballgame." This will never not be gold! LOL
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Post by salz4life on Feb 3, 2022 10:57:17 GMT -5
I can listen to some conspiracy theories and see where they're coming from. I'm pretty open minded in the sense where I could listen to something like "Oh these people on TV are crisis actors" and consider the possibility. But I can't believe people actually think the Holocaust didn't happen. There's loads of people still living who've lived through that. Kendrick surely can't think they're all lying? Yeah, I was going to post this same thing. I would sort of get it (NOT agree with it) had the Holocaust been in like the 1640s or something. This happened in the 1940s.... less than 100 years ago. There are personal accounts and, having been to a Holocaust Museum in Skokie, IL, I've heard a few of them. It happened... there is no way to debate it. It's just amazing how dumb people either want to be or want to be seen as.
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Post by nisidhe on Feb 3, 2022 11:46:13 GMT -5
I can listen to some conspiracy theories and see where they're coming from. I'm pretty open minded in the sense where I could listen to something like "Oh these people on TV are crisis actors" and consider the possibility. But I can't believe people actually think the Holocaust didn't happen. There's loads of people still living who've lived through that. Kendrick surely can't think they're all lying? Yeah, I was going to post this same thing. I would sort of get it (NOT agree with it) had the Holocaust been in like the 1640s or something. This happened in the 1940s.... less than 100 years ago. There are personal accounts and, having been to a Holocaust Museum in Skokie, IL, I've heard a few of them. It happened... there is no way to debate it. It's just amazing how dumb people either want to be or want to be seen as. I saw the film of the liberation of Bergen-Belsen a number of years ago - and that wasn't supposed to be a death camp. To this day, I wish violence on Nazis and anyone who aspires to that label. Not merely the deaths, but the indignities inflicted will haunt me forever.
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Post by Bo Rida on Feb 3, 2022 12:21:19 GMT -5
I'm seemingly much more lenient than most when it comes to dumb shit from many years ago being dug up. Especially some ridiculous cases where they still would have been at school (UK football not wrestling). If they've grown and been a decent person since then let it go.
But damn never realised Kendrick was that deep. Not a shallow ignorant off the cuff comment but much more in depth. No sympathy whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 12:27:49 GMT -5
I'm seemingly much more lenient than most when it comes to dumb shit from many years ago being dug up. Especially some ridiculous cases where they still would have been at school (UK football not wrestling). If they've grown and been a decent person since then let it go. But damn never realised Kendrick was that deep. Not a shallow ignorant off the cuff comment but much more in depth. No sympathy whatsoever. If he'd just said something like, "Those were my beliefs at one time, but I've since been educated and changed my views, I'm sorry"" I probably would've given him the benefit of the doubt. But "Those were never my beliefs"? Yeah, okay buddy.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 3, 2022 12:46:57 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, he was granted his release before they even filmed that December 14th angle on NXT. The match only got canceled due to travel issues.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Feb 3, 2022 13:00:39 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, he was granted his release before they even filmed that December 14th angle on NXT. The match only got canceled due to travel issues. See now I'm curious where the "Bryan Kendrick has been waiting 6 weeks with no response for his release" story even came from. I imagine there's a very silly answer that we'll probably never know.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 3, 2022 13:16:09 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, he was granted his release before they even filmed that December 14th angle on NXT. The match only got canceled due to travel issues. See now I'm curious where the "Bryan Kendrick has been waiting 6 weeks with no response for his release" story even came from. I imagine there's a very silly answer that we'll probably never know. PWInsider being ran by boobs apparently.
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Post by Legion on Feb 3, 2022 13:17:25 GMT -5
According to Meltzer, he was granted his release before they even filmed that December 14th angle on NXT. The match only got canceled due to travel issues. See now I'm curious where the "Bryan Kendrick has been waiting 6 weeks with no response for his release" story even came from. I imagine there's a very silly answer that we'll probably never know. The news sites simply dont know everything, but they do want your money. Better half a story to get you subscribing than not run a story and get no money.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Feb 3, 2022 13:18:52 GMT -5
I'm seemingly much more lenient than most when it comes to dumb shit from many years ago being dug up. Especially some ridiculous cases where they still would have been at school (UK football not wrestling). If they've grown and been a decent person since then let it go. But damn never realised Kendrick was that deep. Not a shallow ignorant off the cuff comment but much more in depth. No sympathy whatsoever. If he'd just said something like, "Those were my beliefs at one time, but I've since been edjucated and changed my views, I'm sorry"" I probably would've given him the benefit of the doubt. But "Those were never my beliefs"? Yeah, okay buddy. Yeah that's the other side of it. People do leave conspiracy communities. People do realize what horrible things theyr're repeating and believing about people around them and they start to pull back. There's sympathy for those people. But you have to be honest with your apology or it means nothing, and when he tries to walk back that he said the things he said in the way he did rather than walk back what he said at all, that's not taking ownership of anything.
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Post by darbus alan on Feb 3, 2022 13:22:53 GMT -5
I'm seemingly much more lenient than most when it comes to dumb shit from many years ago being dug up. Especially some ridiculous cases where they still would have been at school (UK football not wrestling). If they've grown and been a decent person since then let it go. But damn never realised Kendrick was that deep. Not a shallow ignorant off the cuff comment but much more in depth. No sympathy whatsoever. If he'd just said something like, "Those were my beliefs at one time, but I've since been edjucated and changed my views, I'm sorry"" I probably would've given him the benefit of the doubt. But "Those were never my beliefs"? Yeah, okay buddy. That's all I really want out of any apology: acknowledging responsibility and wanting to do better. Not that I'd automatically accept it because he said some really f***ed up things that are straight out of Neo-Nazi talking points. But I'd at least be open to it if he put the work in. Brian's seemed alright until that last "those were never my beliefs" line as that completely ducks any responsibility on his end for saying those hateful things. That makes it come off as just as fake as "I'm sorry if I offended anyone."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2022 14:07:07 GMT -5
The only conspiracy theory I believe in is the one about Billie Kay trying to bring The Riott Squad down from the inside because she was still mad about The IIconics having to split after losing to them.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 3, 2022 14:12:42 GMT -5
Meltzer also mentioned that he's seen WWE do a lot of shady stuff to go after their competition and this wasn't that. Someone just found it and it blew up. He knew he was into some weird stuff but never heard it until now (like most of us).
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 3, 2022 14:22:10 GMT -5
If he'd just said something like, "Those were my beliefs at one time, but I've since been edjucated and changed my views, I'm sorry"" I probably would've given him the benefit of the doubt. But "Those were never my beliefs"? Yeah, okay buddy. That's all I really want out of any apology: acknowledging responsibility and wanting to do better. Not that I'd automatically accept it because he said some really f***ed up things that are straight out of Neo-Nazi talking points. But I'd at least be open to it if he put the work in. Brian's seemed alright until that last "those were never my beliefs" line as that completely ducks any responsibility on his end for saying those hateful things. That makes it come off as just as fake as "I'm sorry if I offended anyone."
The only aspect of that "never my beliefs" part I can potentially acknowledge as realistic is that there's such a strange range of fact acceptance within conspiracy communities that it can be nearly impossible to parse what they actually believe and what they merely want to use as cudgels against opponents and what ideas simply suit their ends at any given moment. In a weird way, he might not have actually believe-believed it, but "believed" it to further some larger end that would justify the rest of his worldview. Note: none of that makes any of this good. Far from it, really; there's a spectacular video on YouTube called "In Search of a Flat Earth" that really dives into first the flat earth stuff and then, well, a more politically fueled one of recent vintage, and reaches a really scary conclusion: reactionary conspiracy theorists view facts and reality as obstacles to their desired ends, which is what makes debating them nearly impossible, as many of them are fully aware that the shit they spew isn't real, but it helps them accomplish their aims...which, in the majority of situations is "whatever accumulates more power for me/my 'team' and causes harm to my opponents/enemies". So I can see some weird roundabout way where a rehabilitated Kendrick looks back on his days in those circles and concludes that he didn't honestly believe a lot of what he was saying, but he said it all, anyway, because he was driven by a larger, overarching ideology of harm and what he said simply served those ends. Again, this is not a defense of anything he said or did, but just an attempt at a possible explanation. On the larger matter, I have to admit that I didn't know Kendrick's conspiracy nonsense went this deep, and I've been aware of that London/Kendrick shoot for years and have heard that he's had dumb/hurtful beliefs before. Like, before this I had heard about him talking 9/11 and Sandy Hook stuff, which was enough to turn me away, but I never listened to anything he said in-depth and never heard anything concerning the Holocaust. I can imagine that even people in the industry weren't fully aware of everything he'd said if they hadn't been seeking it out at certain points, too. I'm hopeful his apology is sincere; it's certainly possible that he's become a better person on some of these matters and maybe even has tried to make some amends where he can, I don't know. I see Paul London liked a tweet that pointed out that Kendrick's conspiracy bullshit is what ended their friendship, and I also see that Colt Cabana liked Kendrick's apology tweet; I don't know what to make of any of it, as a lot of this will be personal between people in the industry. That said, if the apology is truly sincere then I hope he has or will go about trying to make amends as best he can; reach out to people who need to hear from him that he's changed his ways, seek out education on things he allowed himself to so ignorant or harmful about, maybe work with groups or people who try to educate on these issues, etc. In the meantime, though, it's pretty understandable why AEW pulled him last night: their top Jewish star had a career defining moment, Whoopi Goldberg made news on the topic this week, it's too much potential risk for some really awful PR. I'm not against him getting another chance, but it would be much better to see evidence of him working to make amends in some way, shape, or form.
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Post by Legion on Feb 3, 2022 15:39:32 GMT -5
Meltzer also mentioned that he's seen WWE do a lot of shady stuff to go after their competition and this wasn't that. Someone just found it and it blew up. He knew he was into some weird stuff but never heard it until now (like most of us). I did actually wonder...
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