According to Fightful, Vince is happy with product and…

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Feb 13, 2022 22:27:46 GMT -5 @dax said:

Feb 13, 2022 22:24:58 GMT -5 Chiral said:

The main event scene is a bunch of jerk heel champions and the only people on their level are MMA guys, of course Vince is thrilled. Dude gets to book his favorite feud Brock vs. Reigns as long as he wants, AND it doesn't matter if the fans like it or not (or even have any reaction whatsoever) because of all his deals, this is peak wrestling to him.

I'm going to laugh my ass off when they do a top ten list of the greatest rivalries in WWE history or whatever five years from now and Roman vs. Brock tops it.

Miz: "Talk about the greats. This feud was like Goliath against like another Goliath. Like Hulk Hogan vs. another Hulk Hogan. What were they feuding over? Well. Ah. There was the Heyman stuff, but in the 6 years before that, they uh. They had a tug of war—"
Narrator: "ROMAN REIGNS VERSUS BROCK LESNAR DEFINED AN ERA."

[sarkerpolseng]

Kinda crazy considering where this company was 93-97. Just getting by.

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Also I choose to believe Vince is overjoyed that sports entertainment technology is finally at the place where this is possible

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

If you are still waiting for WWE to improve or change in a way you want it to after all this time, you're deluding yourself.

WWE will never be what you want it to be.

If you're not happy with it now, you never will be. Please, for your own mental health, move on.

[Dub H]

100% of the main demographic of Blood Money princes enjoy the product.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Feb 14, 2022 0:54:44 GMT -5 Dub H said:

100% of the main demographic of Blood Money princes enjoy the product.

I dunno, I think that guy's still miffed he didn't get Ultimate Warrior and Yokozuna.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Feb 13, 2022 22:24:58 GMT -5 Chiral said:

The main event scene is a bunch of jerk heel champions who hold their belts forever and the only people on their level are MMA guys, of course Vince is thrilled. Dude gets to book his favorite feud Brock vs. Reigns as long as he wants, AND it doesn't matter if the fans like it or not (or even have any reaction whatsoever) because of all his deals, this is peak wrestling to him.

The saddest part is how Roman vs. Brock is still the biggest feud they can reasonably do, not because it's this epic rivalry everyone needs part three of, not because it's been such an amazing story built up across years that we get to see reach another, revolutionary step of, but because Brock and Roman are the only two people who have consistently been allowed to be important in years. I know it's not actually what happened, but it does almost read like Vince couldn't get people to think ROman vs. Brock was a big deal so he dragged down everything else until Roman vs. Brock was on paper the best they could do. Even a few actual homegrown main event talent like Braun and Bray both got binned for budget reasons. There's only this. There's only Roman vs. Brock and you're going to like it.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

Imagine how much money he would make if income was somehow tied to success.

[bearned]

He’s making serious bank and he doesn’t really have to do anything to make it.

Plus he was able to sack his son and destroy all that his son in law built with NXT. He’s living his dream.

[Fake Jesus]

Feb 13, 2022 23:52:22 GMT -5 Chiral said:

Also I choose to believe Vince is overjoyed that sports entertainment technology is finally at the place where this is possible

if yer watchin a tee-vee show with this crap on it ya ain't right

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Why wouldn't he be? It's being booked for him, by him and he's making more money than ever. The problem is the long-term sustainability as they aren't making new fans and AEW have shown you can make the same product from scratch and get respectably close ratings for a fraction of the money.

Vince will probably be dead before the poop hits the fan for the WWE.

[Totorob101]

At the end of the day its a business and weather we like it or not he is making a ton of money so for Vince and Co its all good.

[A Platypus Rave]

Feb 14, 2022 1:22:10 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

Feb 13, 2022 22:24:58 GMT -5 Chiral said:

The main event scene is a bunch of jerk heel champions who hold their belts forever and the only people on their level are MMA guys, of course Vince is thrilled. Dude gets to book his favorite feud Brock vs. Reigns as long as he wants, AND it doesn't matter if the fans like it or not (or even have any reaction whatsoever) because of all his deals, this is peak wrestling to him.

The saddest part is how Roman vs. Brock is still the biggest feud they can reasonably do, not because it's this epic rivalry everyone needs part three of, not because it's been such an amazing story built up across years that we get to see reach another, revolutionary step of, but because Brock and Roman are the only two people who have consistently been allowed to be important in years. I know it's not actually what happened, but it does almost read like Vince couldn't get people to think ROman vs. Brock was a big deal so he dragged down everything else until Roman vs. Brock was on paper the best they could do. Even a few actual homegrown main event talent like Braun and Bray both got binned for budget reasons. There's only this. There's only Roman vs. Brock and you're going to like it.

Yeah, they're only the biggest match ups they have because they sacrificed LITERALLY the entire roster to put Brock and Roman on a pedestal above everyone else.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Feb 14, 2022 4:30:59 GMT -5 A Platypus Rave said:

Feb 14, 2022 1:22:10 GMT -5 This Player Hating Mothman said:

The saddest part is how Roman vs. Brock is still the biggest feud they can reasonably do, not because it's this epic rivalry everyone needs part three of, not because it's been such an amazing story built up across years that we get to see reach another, revolutionary step of, but because Brock and Roman are the only two people who have consistently been allowed to be important in years. I know it's not actually what happened, but it does almost read like Vince couldn't get people to think ROman vs. Brock was a big deal so he dragged down everything else until Roman vs. Brock was on paper the best they could do. Even a few actual homegrown main event talent like Braun and Bray both got binned for budget reasons. There's only this. There's only Roman vs. Brock and you're going to like it.

Yeah, they're only the biggest match ups they have because they sacrificed LITERALLY the entire roster to put Brock and Roman on a pedestal above everyone else.

But you do admit it's the biggest

[thehottag]

WWE should stand for 'World Wrestling Emperor-has-no-clothes'

The more I think about it, the less surprised I am how things are. Vince McMahon is 76, meaning he's probably stuck in his ways. He's surrounded himself by people who tell him how brilliant he is, & how great his ideas are. He books a show the way he likes, & his company is worth more than it ever has been. Ok, attendances & viewership is down, but they have been in the past, & there's always the usual economic/covid/cord-cutting/wrestling cycle excuses for that. And those fans & wrestlers moaning? What else is new.

The guy gets to go to work, do things however he wants, get told how amazing he is, & make more money than ever. Why on Earth would he change things? Heck, in his shoes, I'm sure I'd probably be the same.

[polarbearpete]

Feb 14, 2022 1:39:53 GMT -5 Cranjis McBasketball said:

Imagine how much money he would make if income was somehow tied to success.

Success in what way? Raw is still number 1 in the demos most weeks, Smackdown is usually right there too for network demos, and they sell a crap ton of tickets overall. Unless you mean creative success.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Good for him.

I tapped out.

[ghost]

The company is making more money than ever and despite the writing of the show being terrible and aimed at an audience on 1, it still gets 1.5m viewers a week on cable and 2 million on broadcast.

I think I actually side with Vince here. If I were his age and could practically do whatever I wanted without fear of losing money or viewers, then I’d probably be in DGAF mode too.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Of course Vince is successful. I think the question is - is it possible for the shows to have more viewers than they currently do if the product was better? I think so. We've seen other sports defy trends and do extremely well in the past year. AEW has grown their audience. Even if they still saw a decline over the past decade, it's possible that RAW could've only declined to 2 million viewers a week for example. And with stronger numbers comes more money for their next deal.

[eJm]

Feb 14, 2022 11:38:02 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Of course Vince is successful. I think the question is - is it possible for the shows to have more viewers than they currently do if the product was better? I think so. We've seen other sports defy trends and do extremely well in the past year. AEW has grown their audience. Even if they still saw a decline over the past decade, it's possible that RAW could've only declined to 2 million viewers a week for example. And with stronger numbers comes more money for their next deal.

I mean, I'd sort of go as far as say, something I've said before, that if USA had the show lineup they did when Raw came back from Spike TV, the show doing this amount of viewers would be under much more scrutiny than it is right now because they wouldn't be relying on it as a show when you have Burn Notice, Psych, Monk etc.

Now along with how TV has changed? It's just Chucky. They put a lot on The Purge but that was doing NXT numbers and it got axed because, unlike NXT, shows like that aren't cheap.