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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Feb 14, 2022 13:12:08 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022.
This is why I'm so happy wrestling fans have alternatives like AEW, NJPW, and other indie promotions to choose from. If this happened 10 years ago where it felt like there was really no alternative then it would be 100X worse. If you don't like what WWE is putting on TV then change the channel, especially when there's other stuff on. No is obligated to watch RAW every week, I feel like some fans don't understand that.
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 14, 2022 13:49:19 GMT -5
Honestly the thing that bothers me is seeing so many talented performers, in the prime of their careers, not being used to their full potential because the old man at the top is too lazy to care about coming up with anything good for them.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Feb 14, 2022 15:00:15 GMT -5
Honestly the thing that bothers me is seeing so many talented performers, in the prime of their careers, not being used to their full potential because the old man at the top is too lazy to care about coming up with anything good for them. And if they try to reach for the brass rings, they’ll get shutdown, even though Vince wants guys who reach out for the brass rings. How anyone gets out of that company with their sanity intact just astonishes me.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 14, 2022 15:12:23 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022. This is why I'm so happy wrestling fans have alternatives like AEW, NJPW, and other indie promotions to choose from. If this happened 10 years ago where it felt like there was really no alternative then it would be 100X worse. If you don't like what WWE is putting on TV then change the channel, especially when there's other stuff on. No is obligated to watch RAW every week, I feel like some fans don't understand that. But they are not doing great as an entertainment company either. Their ratings keep falling, their live events struggle to sell tickets, merchandise sales are down. The only reason they command such high tv rights deals is the change of the TV landscape. They have put all of their eggs in the basket of being paid by businesses instead of consumers. But business can be fickle and if the winds blow another way they could be sunk fast.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 14, 2022 15:15:22 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022. This is why I'm so happy wrestling fans have alternatives like AEW, NJPW, and other indie promotions to choose from. If this happened 10 years ago where it felt like there was really no alternative then it would be 100X worse. If you don't like what WWE is putting on TV then change the channel, especially when there's other stuff on. No is obligated to watch RAW every week, I feel like some fans don't understand that. But they are not doing great as an entertainment company either. Their ratings keep falling, their live events struggle to sell tickets, merchandise sales are down. The only reason they command such high tv rights deals is the change of the TV landscape. They have put all of their eggs in the basket of being paid by businesses instead of consumers. But business can be fickle and if the winds blow another way they could be sunk fast. and eventually in theory the ratings will be low enough that Fox or USA aren't happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2022 15:16:14 GMT -5
If you are still waiting for WWE to improve or change in a way you want it to after all this time, you're deluding yourself. WWE will never be what you want it to be. If you're not happy with it now, you never will be. Please, for your own mental health, move on. This. Stop watching, stop supporting, be happy.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 14, 2022 15:16:48 GMT -5
Honestly the thing that bothers me is seeing so many talented performers, in the prime of their careers, not being used to their full potential because the old man at the top is too lazy to care about coming up with anything good for them. And if they try to reach for the brass rings, they’ll get shutdown, even though Vince wants guys who reach out for the brass rings. How anyone gets out of that company with their sanity intact just astonishes me. and they've even made fun of this ON CAMERA before... Cesaro, Tyson Kidd and Adam Rose talked about the Brass Ring for a while and were nicknamed the Brass Ring Club and wore a Parody Bullet Club shirt at a ppv... RIGHT before New Japan cracked down on Bullet Club parodies.
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Post by eJm on Feb 14, 2022 15:23:35 GMT -5
But they are not doing great as an entertainment company either. Their ratings keep falling, their live events struggle to sell tickets, merchandise sales are down. The only reason they command such high tv rights deals is the change of the TV landscape. They have put all of their eggs in the basket of being paid by businesses instead of consumers. But business can be fickle and if the winds blow another way they could be sunk fast. and eventually in theory the ratings will be low enough that Fox or USA aren't happy. They’re banking on Fox having a hopeful approach to having a show on Fridays that does better than average and USA never coming up with a stable of shows that are hits akin to their golden age and so far, it’s working. How long that lasts, who knows?
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Post by asuka007 on Feb 14, 2022 15:37:51 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022. This is why I'm so happy wrestling fans have alternatives like AEW, NJPW, and other indie promotions to choose from. If this happened 10 years ago where it felt like there was really no alternative then it would be 100X worse. If you don't like what WWE is putting on TV then change the channel, especially when there's other stuff on. No is obligated to watch RAW every week, I feel like some fans don't understand that. But they are not doing great as an entertainment company either. Their ratings keep falling, their live events struggle to sell tickets, merchandise sales are down. The only reason they command such high tv rights deals is the change of the TV landscape. They have put all of their eggs in the basket of being paid by businesses instead of consumers. But business can be fickle and if the winds blow another way they could be sunk fast. They’ve become one of those “too big to fail” companies. They make money despite themselves. To use a sports analogy, it’s like someone trying to say that the Clippers where a good team since Donald Sterling managed to make money year after year despite how awful the team was. It did not make the team not bad from a competitive standpoint. WWE is the same way creatively.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 14, 2022 16:03:20 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022. I have never understood this argument, because almost exclusively the kind of entertainment he puts out is wrestling. Yeah, they have WWE Studios, and that chugs along, but it's not close to the biggest moneymaker, and Vince does not seem very closely involved with it at all.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Feb 14, 2022 18:17:22 GMT -5
If you are still waiting for WWE to improve or change in a way you want it to after all this time, you're deluding yourself. WWE will never be what you want it to be. If you're not happy with it now, you never will be. Please, for your own mental health, move on. This. Stop watching, stop supporting, be happy. Did so four years ago. It’s actually worked.
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Post by eJm on Feb 14, 2022 18:27:05 GMT -5
I have never understood this argument, because almost exclusively the kind of entertainment he puts out is wrestling. Yeah, they have WWE Studios, and that chugs along, but it's not close to the biggest moneymaker, and Vince does not seem very closely involved with it at all. Right now, a lot of WWE movies are co-productions with other companies besides one (and according to the Wikipedia, WWE and Amazon’s MGM are doing an American Gladiators return, what?!) so it’s sort of taken the licensing etiquette of Nick Khan in the same way the likely anime will etc where all WWE will do is say “Hey, here’s part of the money and some wrestlers, you can do the rest, right?”. Which is fine but is dwarfed financially by everything else the company does which is, well, wrestling.
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Post by MrElijah on Feb 14, 2022 19:06:42 GMT -5
People need to realize the despite the name, WWE is not a wrestling company anymore or at least that's not their main focus. WWE is an entertainment company first and foremost. They have made record profits because of entertainment deals, not because of great story telling and compelling booking in the ring. I'm not going to knock on WWE's success as they are doing great as an entertainment business. This is why they have made record profits despite having some of the worst booking we have seen in over 20 years. This is why Vince sees "nothing wrong", because he's not doing business as a wrestling owner in 2022. This is why I'm so happy wrestling fans have alternatives like AEW, NJPW, and other indie promotions to choose from. If this happened 10 years ago where it felt like there was really no alternative then it would be 100X worse. If you don't like what WWE is putting on TV then change the channel, especially when there's other stuff on. No is obligated to watch RAW every week, I feel like some fans don't understand that. Shit, outside of NXT(and even that's waning), I've haven't regularly watched WWE in months! I WANT WWE to be good for all to enjoy but maybe this isn't MY WWF anymore. Plus side, catching up on my gaming backlog and breezing through old anime.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Feb 14, 2022 19:37:06 GMT -5
If you are still waiting for WWE to improve or change in a way you want it to after all this time, you're deluding yourself. WWE will never be what you want it to be. If you're not happy with it now, you never will be. Please, for your own mental health, move on. I won't be happy until it's even worse!
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 14, 2022 20:09:17 GMT -5
If you are still waiting for WWE to improve or change in a way you want it to after all this time, you're deluding yourself. WWE will never be what you want it to be. If you're not happy with it now, you never will be. Please, for your own mental health, move on. I won't be happy until it's even worse!
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 14, 2022 20:22:47 GMT -5
Of course Vince is successful. I think the question is - is it possible for the shows to have more viewers than they currently do if the product was better? I think so. We've seen other sports defy trends and do extremely well in the past year. AEW has grown their audience. Even if they still saw a decline over the past decade, it's possible that RAW could've only declined to 2 million viewers a week for example. And with stronger numbers comes more money for their next deal. Fundamentally, this is the big thing. There's no reason they couldn't be more successful. That they couldn't bring in more money on live events, that their ratings needed to hemorrhage as hard as they have, that they can't sell more merchandise. WWE is making money, but there's all these areas where yeah they're not really succeeding. Their nostalgia show bumps pale in comparison to what they used to, people have tuned them out; they've lost tons of paying customers. It's shortsighted to look at only the one big number going up on a graph and decide "Actually we're doing the best, nothing needs to be solved" when the metrics offered by real actual people are so blatantly on the decline.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 14, 2022 21:15:20 GMT -5
Of course Vince is successful. I think the question is - is it possible for the shows to have more viewers than they currently do if the product was better? I think so. We've seen other sports defy trends and do extremely well in the past year. AEW has grown their audience. Even if they still saw a decline over the past decade, it's possible that RAW could've only declined to 2 million viewers a week for example. And with stronger numbers comes more money for their next deal. Fundamentally, this is the big thing. There's no reason they couldn't be more successful. That they couldn't bring in more money on live events, that their ratings needed to hemorrhage as hard as they have, that they can't sell more merchandise. WWE is making money, but there's all these areas where yeah they're not really succeeding. Their nostalgia show bumps pale in comparison to what they used to, people have tuned them out; they've lost tons of paying customers. It's shortsighted to look at only the one big number going up on a graph and decide "Actually we're doing the best, nothing needs to be solved" when the metrics offered by real actual people are so blatantly on the decline. And they could be more successful for less money. Less money spent on writers and producers micromanaging everything a wrestler does for instance.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 14, 2022 21:34:27 GMT -5
He thinks everything is great and nothing needs to be fixed... while scripts are constantly thrown out and rewritten while shows are happening at the same time
Yeah, brilliant, lmfao
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 14, 2022 22:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 15, 2022 0:33:37 GMT -5
Imagine how much money he would make if income was somehow tied to success. Success in what way? Raw is still number 1 in the demos most weeks, Smackdown is usually right there too for network demos, and they sell a crap ton of tickets overall. Unless you mean creative success. I get what you're saying because they're making money hand over fist, even more since they only have 9 employees left. They're down by every metric except what insane TV networks pay and insane despots pay.
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