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Post by Cvslfc123 on Feb 15, 2022 4:14:02 GMT -5
And I know this is wrestling where retirements are not at all sacred but if Austin's coming back 20 years after this: I'd want it to be something either monumental, an emotionally driving storyline, or a mix of both. With the right marketing, they can treat this as like bigger than Punk returning to wrestling. But Owens going "WAHHH I HATE TEXAS NYEEHHHHHHH" does not feel like it's that. As EoE said, this is the last bullet in the chamber. Do you really use it for a midcard feeling feud or do you make it the biggest shot in the industry? I doubt WWE cares about that moment, they were planning to have Austin face The Coach just 2.5 years after this.
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 15, 2022 4:24:54 GMT -5
If it's a 2 minute nothing match where Owens doesn't get a single move in and Austin just does his greatest hits? Sorry if that doesn't entice me or impress me whatsoever. The drum of making new stars and making the current ones look good is worn out and dull at this point, and they're still begging people to watch and tune in based on 20 year old nostalgia bait. It's tiring. Again, it's harmless if it's a segment, no way does this make sense as an actual match, nor do I think it'd help Owens at all because again, he's there every single week, losing to a 57 year old Stone Cold who then leaves does nothing to benefit your product, just makes the guy who is on it all the time NOW look lesser, which is an issue they just constantly have and keep running headfirst into anyway. Give me a fun segment where they do a promo back and forth, end with stunners and beer, that's more than enough. A promo segment ending with a stunner would be fun. An actual back and forth 10-15 minute match would be awesome too, though. And no it wouldn’t “hurt” Owens in any way. He’s in that Teflon upper midcard-lower main event spot that Jericho was in for years. Dude cosplayed as Austin in that woeful feud with Shane, having him lose to the real deal nearly 20 years after retirement would hurt Owens and further hammer home the perception that the stars of today are second rate compared to those of the Attitude Era.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 15, 2022 4:27:30 GMT -5
I don't see Austin doing it but damn those magnificent bastards can always pull me back in!
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 15, 2022 6:21:43 GMT -5
What a shit idea. There's no way it'll be good, there'll be no dream match, it would either be extremely short and pointless, or an embarrassing slog involving a one-time great who isn't up to it anymore. So it's completely worthless.
I just wish they'd stop bringing back old wrestlers. I was talking to a friend about this last night, and this is a bit of a UK-centric comparison but I always view Wrestlemania like the Christmas episode of Eastenders, in that everyone watches it even if they aren't really engaged for the rest of the year, and it's the big payoff to the previous twelve months of stories. What WWE are doing with these wrestlers from the nineties and early noughties is the equivalent to the Eastenders writers bringing Dirty Den back from the dead repeatedly because it worked before and they haven't got any other ideas.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 15, 2022 7:15:21 GMT -5
I think one more Austin match could be good but I don't think Owens is remotely the person to do it. Owens can be pretty damn good for sure, but he's also had his fair share of very bad matches and I can't see Austin taking any of his really dynamic offense so it feels a lot more likely it would be bad than good. Plus Owens isn't remotely booked at the level of feeling like an actual threat to Austin and it does kind of highlight how lame he is as an Austin clone if you have the real one show up and beat him.
Like just off the top of my head for other people on the day-to-day roster Austin vs. Rollins sounds waaaay more interesting and Seth could make up for some of Austin's definicies by selling his ass off for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2022 7:17:30 GMT -5
No thank you.
The only match I would've been interested in him coming out of retirement for was CM Punk. Cause the promos and build would've been amazing.
This reeks of HBK at Crown Jewel. He's gonna ruin his perfect last match.
WWE are actually desperate these days though. Having to call up big stars from years ago cause they couldn't build any new ones.
Woeful.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 15, 2022 7:23:39 GMT -5
Austin is almost a decade older than Hulk Hogan was during his old man comeback in 2002. It’s amazing how WWE has squandered literally a generation when it comes to making new stars.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 15, 2022 7:35:28 GMT -5
Austin is almost a decade older than Hulk Hogan was during his old man comeback in 2002. It’s amazing how WWE has squandered literally a generation when it comes to making new stars. They’ve established tons of main event stars since Austin retired.
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Post by avenger on Feb 15, 2022 7:36:52 GMT -5
If it happens, it'll be good.
But that's a big if. Austin always had the work ethic, and the professional pride to put on the best match possible. When he came back from the second neck surgery (and even the first), it would have been easy for him to coast in matches like he was in WCW, but he didn't. He'll only come back if he thinks he can do it.
And this match isn't for us. It's for the casual fans. The ones that don't want to sign up for Peacock/WWE Network (depending where in the world they are), but might pay for the PPV.
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Post by Kay Faban on Feb 15, 2022 7:37:19 GMT -5
I love this place is so negative you’ve somehow convinced yourselves one of the biggest stars ever coming back is a bad idea.
Sting in AEW though. That is good. (Which it is too)
This is awesome news, be happy.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 15, 2022 7:38:11 GMT -5
I love this place is so negative you’ve somehow convinced yourselves one of the biggest stars ever coming back is a bad idea. Sting in AEW though. That is good. (Which it is too) This is awesome news, be happy. I don't want the GOAT looking like crap in a match at near 60
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 15, 2022 7:38:55 GMT -5
Stone Cold was young as hell when he retired The neck and double knee problems helped him make that decision... 20 years ago... He’s said since around the Tough Enough days that he was healthy and could’ve come back for a year or two run if he wanted.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Feb 15, 2022 7:38:56 GMT -5
Austin is almost a decade older than Hulk Hogan was during his old man comeback in 2002. It’s amazing how WWE has squandered literally a generation when it comes to making new stars. They’ve established tons of main event stars since Austin retired. Cena Batista Reigns Lesnar Orton Etc
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 15, 2022 7:39:36 GMT -5
I love this place is so negative you’ve somehow convinced yourselves one of the biggest stars ever coming back is a bad idea. Sting in AEW though. That is good. (Which it is too) This is awesome news, be happy. I don't want the GOAT looking like crap in a match at near 60 Don’t think he’d come back for an actual match if he wouldn’t look good.
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Post by eJm on Feb 15, 2022 7:44:06 GMT -5
Sting in AEW though. That is good. (Which it is too) Sting was wrestling for TNA when Austin retired and he was still wrestling in certain ways until the present day. Austin has not wrestled a full match since 2003. Like, you can like it but come on, don't do the "If CM Punk did it..." thing when the situations are completely different. I'd hope people here knew better than that. For the record, I can't care. The window for me to actually care passed years ago.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 15, 2022 7:48:21 GMT -5
And I know this is wrestling where retirements are not at all sacred but if Austin's coming back 20 years after this: I'd want it to be something either monumental, an emotionally driving storyline, or a mix of both. With the right marketing, they can treat this as like bigger than Punk returning to wrestling. But Owens going "WAHHH I HATE TEXAS NYEEHHHHHHH" does not feel like it's that. As EoE said, this is the last bullet in the chamber. Do you really use it for a midcard feeling feud or do you make it the biggest shot in the industry? Yeah, it's. It feels empty. It feels miserable? It evokes two kinda separate things conceptually in my head, neither good. One is when a franchise gets a surprise nostalgia sequel twenty years after the fact, or a reboot, and they put in that one vapid nod to a really popular scene or joke everyone has fond memories of, and the thing feels really cynically meant to be like "Hey it's (that guy), you remember (that guy) don't you?" where they don't try to do anything sentimental or meaningful with it, it's just that a lot of bootleg t-shirts with (that guy)'s face sold on Redbubble, so they gotta put him in the movie so fans go on twitter and say "Oh man (that guy) was there" but a couple days later you pull the shirt with (that guy) out of the laundry and you kinda realize how empty that scene was and it bums you out now that you're past the nostalgia high and realize they could've actually done something with that bit from the second movie and resolved his plot thread? The other, more damningly, was that rash of parody movies from fifteen or so years ago where they wouldn't even satirize stuff that they had shit to say about, it'd just be a mish-mash of pop culture references and celebrity punchlines, but they'd try to race shit to the box office and get movies out around the same time as the things they'd reference to be 'current'. Which meant the characters would get into a scene and go "Oh my god it's Kung Fu Panda". Not Po, because all they had to go on when the movie entered production was the title and some promo stills, so they'd call him Kung Fu Panda and know nothing about the movie, so all he'd be able to do is go like "Yes, I'm Kung Fu Panda, and I love munchin' on Arby's but not as much as I love munchin' on puss" and then he'd try to grope one of the female characters as a comedy spot because those movies were just like that. They wanted to get Kung Fu Panda in the movie before they knew anything about Kung Fu Panda so they made him love munchin' Arby's and puss, not because it was funny, but because moviegoers would have probably seen a Kung Fu Panda poster in the theater already and they'd go "Oh it's Kung Fu Panda, that's a movie coming out soon". Not for comedy, not for any real point to be made, but just because people would recognize it. The idea of Austin coming out of retirement after insisting he wouldn't could be something with meaning and potency to it, but in 2022 WWE, it'd be a vapid nostalgia spot solely to get people to say that Steve Austin was there. What's important isn't your connection to the character or your memories of what it meant, it's to the intellectual property that is Stone Cold Steve Austin. And SCSA has always technically been an intellectual property, but watching back in the day you would never have looked at it in that light. 2022 WWE is different because it trucks out nostalgia as a vague concept more ruthlessly than any empty Hollywood "Well, we still have the rights" sequelboot could be. I wonder if Disney is looking at WWE's ability to boil down everything to a simple trademark symbol on the screen and envy their power at stripping away everything down to its barest legal ownership-recognizable essentials.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 15, 2022 8:08:44 GMT -5
The neck and double knee problems helped him make that decision... 20 years ago... He’s said since around the Tough Enough days that he was healthy and could’ve come back for a year or two run if he wanted. Which was also 11 years ago. This again is the issue I'm having. Steve Austin is 57, and hasn't had a match in 20 years, and his last match was at Mania vs The Rock If this dude didn't come back seven years ago when he teased that Texas Deathmatch at Mania vs Lesnar, I just don't see it. And if it does happen, I'm not seeing it being an actual match just more of the same bullshit. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm very skeptical of how well this would go if it in fact happens.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Feb 15, 2022 8:10:30 GMT -5
Sting in AEW though. That is good. (Which it is too) Sting was wrestling for TNA when Austin retired and he was still wrestling in certain ways until the present day. Austin has not wrestled a full match since 2003. Like, you can like it but come on, don't do the "If CM Punk did it..." thing when the situations are completely different. I'd hope people here knew better than that. For the record, I can't care. The window for me to actually care passed years ago. Austin's apparently had a ring since August per POST Wrestling. Knowing how he is, I just don't see him going out there and looking like shit. I think the point being made re: Sting is about the dude collapsing in the middle of the ring due to a catastrophic injury, seemingly being done and then 6 years later he's diving off stages. The point is that the combination of rest and modern medicine would work in his favor here. The other thing is yes, maybe he hasn't worked in front of people, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's worked a few matches quietly over the year like Edge. I understand why people don't like it, and I agree with some of the points being made, but the one thing I have a hard time believing is that he's going to be willing to go out there without knowing 100% he can pull it out.
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Post by eJm on Feb 15, 2022 8:18:22 GMT -5
Sting was wrestling for TNA when Austin retired and he was still wrestling in certain ways until the present day. Austin has not wrestled a full match since 2003. Like, you can like it but come on, don't do the "If CM Punk did it..." thing when the situations are completely different. I'd hope people here knew better than that. For the record, I can't care. The window for me to actually care passed years ago. Austin's apparently had a ring since August per POST Wrestling. Knowing how he is, I just don't see him going out there and looking like shit. I think the point being made re: Sting is about the dude collapsing in the middle of the ring due to a catastrophic injury, seemingly being done and then 6 years later he's diving off stages. The point is that the combination of rest and modern medicine would work in his favor here. The other thing is yes, maybe he hasn't worked in front of people, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's worked a few matches quietly over the year like Edge. I understand why people don't like it, and I agree with some of the points being made, but the one thing I have a hard time believing is that he's going to be willing to go out there without knowing 100% he can pull it out. Hey, I'm not saying it couldn't work out, it could. The point is not to make it some dingbatted "Well, if this happened, you'd love it" debate because it ignores context. Again, I'd like to think we're better than that.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 15, 2022 8:22:24 GMT -5
I don't want the GOAT looking like crap in a match at near 60 Don’t think he’d come back for an actual match if he wouldn’t look good. Until he actually has said hypothetical match, there's no way of knowing if he'd look good. But the main thing that matters would be if *he* thought he'd be able to look good enough to make it worth it.
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