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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Feb 20, 2022 20:53:33 GMT -5
Hi, it's me, pro wrestling news reporter; and let me tell you, I am concerned about Keith Lee's long term health because of his weight, not the 100 people who are roided or HGH'd to the gills I talk about constantly.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Feb 20, 2022 20:53:41 GMT -5
Terry Taylor or Stevie Ray? Taylor Figures.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 20, 2022 21:19:29 GMT -5
Maybe Taylor mispoke and meant to say that "Keith Lee is my only friend."
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Post by petef3 on Feb 20, 2022 21:21:49 GMT -5
Cole looks actively worse than he did a few months ago in NXT and I don't think anyone thought he was a juicehead then.. Please enlighten me on how Adam Cole looks worse than he did between the two images. Please tell me. Tell me how this is "a deteriorating figure". I agree with everyone else's sentiment, I don't care if you "stand by" what you're saying, the sentiment you're pushing and the fact you keep peddling it with no basis is f***ing gross. We're looking at two different sets of pictures if you're not seeing a difference. And that's my last statement on Adam Cole in this thread since this is about Keith Lee.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Feb 20, 2022 21:25:20 GMT -5
To add to this, Bixenspan is 100% convinced the source that fed Keller all of that is Terry Taylor. A "friend." Who's seemingly WWE office. And a Torch source. And is going out of their way to cut down a Black wrestler for nebulous reasons. Hmm. Nah, can't be... Pardon my French for a second, but what in the holy f*** is Terry Taylor still doing in the wrestling business? What vast amounts of knowledge could this jerkoff have that he’s been needed anywhere near positions of power for almost 30 years? The same way a lot of the old guard are able to keep finding work in the industry: by being a consummate stooge and yes man.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 21:35:35 GMT -5
Yeah this “take” is unmitigated bullshit body shaming and I’m tired of seeing it. Adam Cole’s a slender dude. If that’s not your cup of tea in pro wrestling, so be it. Don’t watch him. Hell, don’t watch AEW if it bugs you so much that they’re pushing him. But the idea that he’s “out of shape” or has “gotten pudgy” (or, the alternative, he “looks like a child”) is completely absurd and unnecessary. Its the stupid picture that's on Twitter all the time...I'd have to go find it if you haven't seen it. You can find evidence online of people claiming that Adam Cole “is out of shape” or “doesn’t have a wrestler’s physique” dating back to like, 2015. He was an early target of a particular fringe of the pro wrestling community that I detest. It’s a bunch of dudes sitting at their computers with their hand in a bag of Cheetos spouting off takes along the lines of “imagine how lazy you have to be to go on television looking like THAT when it’s your profession…” and it’s ridiculous. It’s an absolute falsehood. Just an utter lie that Adam Cole looks any different at all than he did right before leaving NXT. I don’t normally argue a point this hard, but I have no respect whatsoever for that “opinion” at all. It’s garbage and it’s nonsense. As for Keith Lee, if your opinion is that he may need to lose some weight for health reasons, that’s one thing, although none of us are privy to Keith Lee’s personal healthcare information. If your opinion is that Keith Lee is “too fat” or “doesn’t look like he cares,” then f*** off with that bodyshaming bullshit.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Feb 20, 2022 21:39:24 GMT -5
To add to this, Bixenspan is 100% convinced the source that fed Keller all of that is Terry Taylor. A "friend." Who's seemingly WWE office. And a Torch source. And is going out of their way to cut down a Black wrestler for nebulous reasons. Hmm. Nah, can't be... Pardon my French for a second, but what in the holy f*** is Terry Taylor still doing in the wrestling business? What vast amounts of knowledge could this jerkoff have that he’s been needed anywhere near positions of power for almost 30 years? Being a corporate stooge lets you stick around like a bad smell.
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Post by Blade on Feb 20, 2022 22:22:36 GMT -5
As for Keith Lee, if your opinion is that he may need to lose some weight for health reasons, that’s one thing, although none of us are privy to Keith Lee’s personal healthcare information. If your opinion is that Keith Lee is “too fat” or “doesn’t look like he cares,” then f*** off with that bodyshaming bullshit. To be honest, it is also not anyone else's business if Keith Lee could, ought, or should lose weight for health reasons, certainly not Wade Keller's. Society has a weird fixation on policing other people's bodies and feeling righteous about it.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 20, 2022 22:32:14 GMT -5
To be frank, the only people really qualified on what and how Keith Lee should do with and address his weight are Lee himself and any health professionals (doctors, dieticians, nutritionists, trainers, etc.) that he may be consulting with. That's it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 20, 2022 22:41:37 GMT -5
Please enlighten me on how Adam Cole looks worse than he did between the two images. Please tell me. Tell me how this is "a deteriorating figure". I agree with everyone else's sentiment, I don't care if you "stand by" what you're saying, the sentiment you're pushing and the fact you keep peddling it with no basis is f***ing gross. We're looking at two different sets of pictures if you're not seeing a difference. And that's my last statement on Adam Cole in this thread since this is about Keith Lee. You MADE this about Cole, and you tripled down on the comments about Lee that everyone got on you about in the previous thread. I'm not looking at two different sets of pictures as you, I'm looking at the same dude who looks damn near the exact same as he did months ago, and you won't give me a single difference, you just hand wave me away like I'm stupid or something, and frankly, no, I'm not taking that, and I'm not taking this body dysmorphic bullshit you keep peddling like it's some "agree to disagree" shit. This guy And this guy Are the SAME. F***ING. GUY. And trying to pass this off as some "physical decline" or in your own words "DETERIORATION" has to be some of the most outlandish shit I've ever seen on this forum. And it has everything to do with the comments towards Lee as well. This shit is how mental disorders and body dysmorphia are created which some wrestlers have suffered through in the past. It's not ok, and it's not ok for you to say it.. That's what I personally have to say on the matter.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 20, 2022 23:02:37 GMT -5
If Lee can go and is happy with his body, I don't think anyone's opinion on the matter is worth a damn to be honest. Dude looked fine in his first match back and if he didn't think he could wrestle at an acceptable level, I doubt him or Mia would have agreed to sign and start working again.
On the matter of Cole, he literally looks exactly the same, maybe a bit darker since he and the Bucks are going hard on the instant tanner lol. Dude is a fantastic wrestler is a main eventer in a lot of people's eye.
I seriously hate any sort of discourse on wrestlers physiques, since as cjb has put it stuff like this leads to negative effects on a person's mental state. Known several people with body dysmorphia and that shit isn't a joke. People take their lives over how the negatively view their bodies and I don't think crapping on someone's look is cool.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 20, 2022 23:14:21 GMT -5
Maybe a little bit. Legit question: what's your point? Is it that he can't wrestle for very long at a time, or he's a danger to his opponents? Because that seems to be the point Keller's making that you're defending, but the evidence doesn't lead to the conclusion. Where have I said he’s a danger to his opponent? I was just replying to the statement that he’s the same as he looked pre-WWE. To what purpose? If you're not saying this in defense of what Keller's saying, what is the intended contribution? What's your point?
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Post by petef3 on Feb 20, 2022 23:43:38 GMT -5
Where have I said he’s a danger to his opponent? I was just replying to the statement that he’s the same as he looked pre-WWE. To what purpose? If you're not saying this in defense of what Keller's saying, what is the intended contribution? What's your point? People are literally trying to proclaim that Keith looks exactly the same now as he did in EVOLVE, when he clearly doesn't. You can agree or disagree on whether or not that "matters," but he plainly and obviously has more weight now than he did then. It got lost before the thread got derailed, but I had forgotten about Keith trying to claim or imply that WWE wouldn't pay his medical bills when he was hospitalized, a claim that WWE publicly refuted, which is a very rare step for them. Lee hasn't said anything about that since. If anything is a behavioral "red flag," that may be it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2022 23:46:34 GMT -5
Lee really pissed someone in titan towers off with that tweet about medical expenses so the character assassination is going a bit deeper than what they leaked about Moxley and Wyatt.
Imagine what they will leak/make up when Ali gets a new company.
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Post by Blade on Feb 20, 2022 23:53:13 GMT -5
People are literally trying to proclaim that Keith looks exactly the same now as he did in EVOLVE, when he clearly doesn't. You can agree or disagree on whether or not that "matters," but he plainly and obviously has more weight now than he did then. It got lost before the thread got derailed, but I had forgotten about Keith trying to claim or imply that WWE wouldn't pay his medical bills when he was hospitalized, a claim that WWE publicly refuted, which is a very rare step for them. Lee hasn't said anything about that since. If anything is a behavioral "red flag," that may be it. TBH, WWE's conduct and history is such that I would require pretty strong evidence to believe they are telling the truth when something like this comes up, and "the person complaining stopping talking about it publically" ain't it, given there are many possible reasons that could be the case.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 21, 2022 0:20:53 GMT -5
People are literally trying to proclaim that Keith looks exactly the same now as he did in EVOLVE, when he clearly doesn't. You can agree or disagree on whether or not that "matters," but he plainly and obviously has more weight now than he did then. It got lost before the thread got derailed, but I had forgotten about Keith trying to claim or imply that WWE wouldn't pay his medical bills when he was hospitalized, a claim that WWE publicly refuted, which is a very rare step for them. Lee hasn't said anything about that since. If anything is a behavioral "red flag," that may be it. TBH, WWE's conduct and history is such that I would require pretty strong evidence to believe they are telling the truth when something like this comes up, and "the person complaining stopping talking about it publically" ain't it, given there are many possible reasons that could be the case. Again, WWE almost never actually comments publicly on such accusations, and they refuted Lee and invited him to discuss things further if he wanted. I have no love for how WWE conducts business but I also know not to trust wrestlers as a general rule. Even if they work for a company I like and even if their workrate is good. WWE had way more to lose by lying (which would be pretty easily proven if they were) than by not commenting at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2022 0:30:24 GMT -5
To what purpose? If you're not saying this in defense of what Keller's saying, what is the intended contribution? What's your point? People are literally trying to proclaim that Keith looks exactly the same now as he did in EVOLVE, when he clearly doesn't. You can agree or disagree on whether or not that "matters," but he plainly and obviously has more weight now than he did then. It got lost before the thread got derailed, but I had forgotten about Keith trying to claim or imply that WWE wouldn't pay his medical bills when he was hospitalized, a claim that WWE publicly refuted, which is a very rare step for them. Lee hasn't said anything about that since. If anything is a behavioral "red flag," that may be it. Ah, yes, sorry if I found your body dysmorphic comments, which you brought up of your own free will, not ok and something that shouldn't just be ignored here. Guess that's a thread derailment! Oh well. *Shrug* On your other points, no, Keith Lee doesn't look the exact same as he did in EVOLVE, but that's also due to the fact the man had a long battle with COVID that effected his body long term, so he wasn't getting a ton of training reps in, probably until recently. Does he look like a fat out of shape slob either? No. He literally leaps over Isiah Kassidy at one point and did a springboard crossbody into the ring. It's a matter of cardio, which he will get back with time, but Keith Lee by all intents and purposes HAS looked good in his return, and doesn't look out of place. He's always been a big, beefy, large man, and solid in his build, and that's basically what we're getting here. Again, it really shouldn't matter as long as he can perform and continue to do what he does, and he is, and with more reps and getting back to training, that should only continue to improve and he will continue to get better. Like we're lucky we get to see Keith Lee perform at all again given what's been said about what he had to go through. Keith Lee knows his body, as do his doctors, armchair "experts" on "Body shape" don't. As for WWE refuting Lee's claims, no that automatically doesn't mean Keith Lee was lying, it could easily mean that Lee said something that WWE would be willing to take legal action on him for, something that even if Lee was right, he probably couldn't afford, as has been well documented when it comes to WWE just squeezing people dry because they can just keep paying their lawyers to stretch the cases out, and others can't. WWE doesn't earn the benefit of the doubt from me and damn well shouldn't, but Lee going quiet publicly about this doesn't immediately mean it's some "red flag" on his behavior, not in the slightest. But we'll probably never know the full story of that anyway.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 21, 2022 0:40:37 GMT -5
It doesn't mean Keith Lee was lying. But him saying doesn't automatically make it the truth, either.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 21, 2022 0:44:21 GMT -5
What even is truth guys?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 21, 2022 0:46:01 GMT -5
The billing that Ron Killings has gone by since 2008?
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