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Post by aka Cthulhu on Feb 21, 2022 1:57:03 GMT -5
As I've heard, no one can handle the truth.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 21, 2022 2:31:45 GMT -5
It doesn't mean Keith Lee was lying. But him saying doesn't automatically make it the truth, either. I mean its easier to take the side of Keith Lee over a company thathas done ridiculously shady stop with and even crazier owner
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 21, 2022 4:22:29 GMT -5
To what purpose? If you're not saying this in defense of what Keller's saying, what is the intended contribution? What's your point? People are literally trying to proclaim that Keith looks exactly the same now as he did in EVOLVE, when he clearly doesn't. You can agree or disagree on whether or not that "matters," but he plainly and obviously has more weight now than he did then. It got lost before the thread got derailed, but I had forgotten about Keith trying to claim or imply that WWE wouldn't pay his medical bills when he was hospitalized, a claim that WWE publicly refuted, which is a very rare step for them. Lee hasn't said anything about that since. If anything is a behavioral "red flag," that may be it. The WWE do not cover medical expenses unless they're related to injuries suffered in ring or rehab from drugs/alcohol. They started requiring talent to buy their own health insurance a decade ago, and Stephanie came out and said they do not provide full healthcare benefits to in ring talent, only office staff. They were not obligated to pay for Keith Lee's medical care for a heart condition so there is zero reason to believe they did. www.ringsidenews.com/2020/07/24/stephanie-mcmahon-addresses-superstar-health-insurance-what-wwe-pays-for/If a member of senior WWE management comes out and says they do not provide full healthcare, and a talent comes out and says 'They did not pay for my healthcare', I'm not going to believe they're lying because the company issued a mealy mouthed statement saying 'Well, if he was unhappy about his bills he should come talk to us!' The 'We don't give health insurance' thing has been set in stone for a decade, it's not something Keith Lee imagined or made up for clout.
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Post by eJm on Feb 21, 2022 4:42:01 GMT -5
The WWE do not cover medical expenses unless they're related to injuries suffered in ring or rehab from drugs/alcohol. They started requiring talent to buy their own health insurance a decade ago, and Stephanie came out and said they do not provide full healthcare benefits to in ring talent, only office staff. They were not obligated to pay for Keith Lee's medical care for a heart condition so there is zero reason to believe they did. www.ringsidenews.com/2020/07/24/stephanie-mcmahon-addresses-superstar-health-insurance-what-wwe-pays-for/If a member of senior WWE management comes out and says they do not provide full healthcare, and a talent comes out and says 'They did not pay for my healthcare', I'm not going to believe they're lying because the company issued a mealy mouthed statement saying 'Well, if he was unhappy about his bills he should come talk to us!' The 'We don't give health insurance thing has been set in stone for a decade', it's not something Keith Lee imagined or made up for clout. Exactly, it's weird they came out and said something about it when, by all accounts, that's what they said themselves about it. And since Keith's medical bills weren't paying for stuff that happened in the ring or at a show (Mia Yim's COVID transferred to him whilst he was looking after her, something he said in his video a while back), WWE wouldn't have paid for it. I don't know why that was so controversial. If anything set off red flags, it was Nia Jax's own claims that WWE fired her during her agreed mental health leave and WWE didn't say a word about it until Nia changed her own story and basically admitted they may have fired her over vaccine mandates. Maybe they expected her to do that but the fact they didn't and did it for Keith kind of says a lot?
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Post by HMARK Center on Feb 21, 2022 6:59:16 GMT -5
As I've heard, no one can handle the truth. But what is “truth”? Is “truth” unchanging law? We both have “truths”, Are mine the same as yours?
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Feb 21, 2022 7:38:14 GMT -5
What I would not give to be as pudgy as Adam Cole.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 21, 2022 8:43:49 GMT -5
Where have I said he’s a danger to his opponent? I was just replying to the statement that he’s the same as he looked pre-WWE. To what purpose? If you're not saying this in defense of what Keller's saying, what is the intended contribution? What's your point? If I see something that seems false, I’ll usually reply to it. It doesn’t mean I agree with everything others are saying. Didn’t know replying at all means I now agree with everything Keller and Cole-poster proclaim too.
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Post by pinja on Feb 21, 2022 9:28:00 GMT -5
I don't understand how Keller can be so bad at this. If I play devil's advocate, I'll be subtle and don't claim friendship and that Lee was a danger to his opponent when he clearly knew how to throw his increased weight around.
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Post by sportatorium on Feb 21, 2022 10:39:59 GMT -5
The Keller comments are loaded with vagueness and very little substance. Keith Lee could easily have been the old school big man who refused to ever sell one move for a smaller wrestler and he's been the opposite of that his entire career.
As far as his health and fitness go...AEW wants to promote Keith Lee, they don't need to. If the guy couldn't be cleared to wrestle for any type of health issue and they are having him work, then they are making a mistake. If he's on TV, I can only assume that he's good to go.
Finally, if he has ring rust- getting himself all the way back from covid and inactivity. Putting him in short squash matches displaying his strength and power is exactly how to use him. He looks like a dominant badass & doesn't have to do much.
Athletes, like any other group of people come in all shapes and sizes. Maligning anyone for how they look is ridiculous.
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Post by Legion on Feb 21, 2022 11:10:21 GMT -5
If Keller is being fed lines, he's still going to report it if it's from a source that has panned out in the past. It's literally his job to find sources and get people to pay to hear them. If people dont want to hear what he's saying, or believe he'ss reporting nonsense, so be it, but he literally makes money off rumour mongering.
Regarding Lee, he's said himself he had some health issues, and it's clearly noticeable he is bigger and looked slower in the ring. Is that anything more than a bit of weight gain and ring rust, let's wait and see? Hopefully he can come back as good as he was, or better. If he can't, maybe he can change up his style and still contribute. As long as his health isnt at risk, he can be whatever size he wants. His choice. It doesnt hurt to be concerned, or to question his ability until we see it play out, but it also isn't fair to write him off. Equally, you can disbelieve the newz without discounting the evidence of possible issues your own eyes should be able to see. You can be worried based on his past tweets without buying the possible WWE spin. It isnt always one or the other.
As for Cole, however we got there, really not seeing a difference at all, maybe a little loss of leg definition, but that could be nothing more than stance - but even if there was one, that would be natural in going from being based at home with daily gym and training routines to being on the road with a new diet and less gym time. Again, unless we see it play out as a problem, Cole can eat himself to Lee size and as long as he was still entertaining and able to contribute, without harming himself, his choice.
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Post by greyfmdan on Feb 21, 2022 13:21:35 GMT -5
I haven’t listened to him in a while, but at one point Keller was my go-to wrestling dirt sheet/podcast. If he’s going the tabloid route or started getting his tips from a BS source, it disappoints me, to say the least.
As for Lee, I always thought part of his appeal was supposed to be that he’s not built like a Greek god, but looks the guy you’d want to have on your side if you got in a fight. While I’m sure he’d do well to be cautious about his weight, I think I can truthfully say that with the conditioning required just to be a wrestler at a high level, he’s probably in better physical shape than 90% of wrestling dirt sheet writers and IWC message board commenters, myself included.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 21, 2022 14:21:56 GMT -5
Obviously, what we need to do is find some sketchy underground surgeon that will take Lee's 'excess weight' and graft it onto Cole's 'skinny-fat body.' Two problems solved!!!
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Post by Nosnorb on Feb 21, 2022 17:10:12 GMT -5
Obviously, what we need to do is find some sketchy underground surgeon that will take Lee's 'excess weight' and graft it onto Cole's 'skinny-fat body.' Two problems solved!!! Or Cole (along with Lee) could start finally taking the sensible, level headed advice of Billy Graham.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Feb 21, 2022 20:42:22 GMT -5
The WWE do not cover medical expenses unless they're related to injuries suffered in ring or rehab from drugs/alcohol. They started requiring talent to buy their own health insurance a decade ago, and Stephanie came out and said they do not provide full healthcare benefits to in ring talent, only office staff. They were not obligated to pay for Keith Lee's medical care for a heart condition so there is zero reason to believe they did. www.ringsidenews.com/2020/07/24/stephanie-mcmahon-addresses-superstar-health-insurance-what-wwe-pays-for/If a member of senior WWE management comes out and says they do not provide full healthcare, and a talent comes out and says 'They did not pay for my healthcare', I'm not going to believe they're lying because the company issued a mealy mouthed statement saying 'Well, if he was unhappy about his bills he should come talk to us!' The 'We don't give health insurance thing has been set in stone for a decade', it's not something Keith Lee imagined or made up for clout. Exactly, it's weird they came out and said something about it when, by all accounts, that's what they said themselves about it. And since Keith's medical bills weren't paying for stuff that happened in the ring or at a show (Mia Yim's COVID transferred to him whilst he was looking after her, something he said in his video a while back), WWE wouldn't have paid for it. I don't know why that was so controversial. If anything set off red flags, it was Nia Jax's own claims that WWE fired her during her agreed mental health leave and WWE didn't say a word about it until Nia changed her own story and basically admitted they may have fired her over vaccine mandates. Maybe they expected her to do that but the fact they didn't and did it for Keith kind of says a lot? It seemed to me (from my very amateur opinion) that WWE was worried about being seen as a super spreader vector at some point in the fall for whatever reason.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 22, 2022 8:47:32 GMT -5
As I've heard, no one can handle the truth. But what is “truth”? Is “truth” unchanging law? We both have “truths”, Are mine the same as yours? "TRUTH IS BEAUTY, BEAUTY TRUTH", SIR!
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 22, 2022 11:08:41 GMT -5
On Cole, I do think he's noticeably smaller from his last ROH run in the upper body... but I'm pretty sure he changed his workout routine due to a serious bicep injury. He's not I'm bad shape but some people just aren't meant to be that jacked. It's why a guy like Cage is constantly getting injured.
On Lee, dude was not even able to work out for a long time due to the complications of Covid, came back, got fired, then got married. I'm sure he will cut some weight as he gets into the groove
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Post by Dub H on Feb 22, 2022 13:05:23 GMT -5
Exactly, it's weird they came out and said something about it when, by all accounts, that's what they said themselves about it. And since Keith's medical bills weren't paying for stuff that happened in the ring or at a show (Mia Yim's COVID transferred to him whilst he was looking after her, something he said in his video a while back), WWE wouldn't have paid for it. I don't know why that was so controversial. If anything set off red flags, it was Nia Jax's own claims that WWE fired her during her agreed mental health leave and WWE didn't say a word about it until Nia changed her own story and basically admitted they may have fired her over vaccine mandates. Maybe they expected her to do that but the fact they didn't and did it for Keith kind of says a lot? It seemed to me (from my very amateur opinion) that WWE was worried about being seen as a super spreader vector at some point in the fall for whatever reason. Probably because after 3 or 4 outbreaks they probably were
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Feb 22, 2022 13:11:56 GMT -5
It seemed to me (from my very amateur opinion) that WWE was worried about being seen as a super spreader vector at some point in the fall for whatever reason. Probably because after 3 or 4 outbreaks they probably were You could take out that second "probably", they 100% were. And they seemed to be legitimately scared of being held liable for not following proper protocols, because around the same time of the rebuttal they started to purge the anti-vaxxers and crack down on the mandate
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2022 13:15:16 GMT -5
Probably because after 3 or 4 outbreaks they probably were You could take out that second "probably", they 100% were. And they seemed to be legitimately scared of being held liable for not following proper protocols, because around the same time of the rebuttal they started to purge the anti-vaxxers and crack down on the mandate Also probably a way to stop reminding people that they were under investigation from local police for not following protocol at the PC in 2020 and this was a way to say “Oh, we’re actually taking this seriously. Look, we fired all the Anti-Vaxxers…and a couple of others who suffered from COVID, but that part isn’t important!”
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 22, 2022 13:58:31 GMT -5
Obviously, what we need to do is find some sketchy underground surgeon that will take Lee's 'excess weight' and graft it onto Cole's 'skinny-fat body.' Two problems solved!!! You know what might work, make Cole into Lee's manager!
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