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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Feb 22, 2022 14:38:21 GMT -5
Obviously, what we need to do is find some sketchy underground surgeon that will take Lee's 'excess weight' and graft it onto Cole's 'skinny-fat body.' Two problems solved!!! You know what might work, make Cole into Lee's manager! Pudge
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2022 14:54:26 GMT -5
So I was listening a bit to Dax Hardwood on Renee Paquette's podcast and he talked a lot about his mental health issues on there. He brought up his anxiety on that mental health video AEW did a few months ago. But he talked about some of the things discussed in this thread like body dysmorphic disorder. His BDD also coincided with bulimia, an eating disorder.
I think everyone should give it a listen, especially the people who were so flippant about BDD.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 22, 2022 15:50:22 GMT -5
So I was listening a bit to Dax Hardwood on Renee Paquette's podcast and he talked a lot about his mental health issues on there. He brought up his anxiety on that mental health video AEW did a few months ago. But he talked about some of the things discussed in this thread like body dysmorphic disorder. His BDD also coincided with bulimia, an eating disorder. I think everyone should give it a listen, especially the people who were so flippant about BDD. I did listen. My main takeaway that being "born again" didn't sure "save" Shawn Michaels from being the same two-faced d*** he's always been.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2022 16:23:09 GMT -5
Do you just get off on being a miserable person?
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Post by eJm on Feb 22, 2022 16:28:37 GMT -5
Do you just get off on being a miserable person? I mean, he’s not wrong. That Michaels story makes him look like a real turd bowl.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Feb 22, 2022 16:37:02 GMT -5
Wade Keller is as much a journalist as I am politically correct. (Kinda, but not really.)
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 22, 2022 16:58:17 GMT -5
So I was listening a bit to Dax Hardwood on Renee Paquette's podcast and he talked a lot about his mental health issues on there. He brought up his anxiety on that mental health video AEW did a few months ago. But he talked about some of the things discussed in this thread like body dysmorphic disorder. His BDD also coincided with bulimia, an eating disorder. I think everyone should give it a listen, especially the people who were so flippant about BDD. I remember when there were certain posters here who mocked The Revival for coming back from injury a bit pudgier than they were when they left, which was like a six month layoff at that time, one for injury, the other because WWE doesn't let tag team partners get reps when their partner is hurt and they just sit and wait. This kind of stuff is why you... don't do that or say that about human beings.
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Post by petef3 on Feb 22, 2022 17:01:07 GMT -5
Do you just get off on being a miserable person? I mean, are you trying to defend Shawn's conduct there? Or the conduct of most of his career? If the shoe fits... (Even in his comeback period it's strange how Shawn always seemed to find himself winning blowoff matches even over younger talent, and the one time he didn't, he threw in-match and post-match temper tantrums just like the Shawn of old, which people defended because "LOL HE WAS ENTERTAINING.")
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 22, 2022 17:18:52 GMT -5
So I was listening a bit to Dax Hardwood on Renee Paquette's podcast and he talked a lot about his mental health issues on there. He brought up his anxiety on that mental health video AEW did a few months ago. But he talked about some of the things discussed in this thread like body dysmorphic disorder. His BDD also coincided with bulimia, an eating disorder. I think everyone should give it a listen, especially the people who were so flippant about BDD. I remember when there were certain posters here who mocked The Revival for coming back from injury a bit pudgier than they were when they left, which was like a six month layoff at that time, one for injury, the other because WWE doesn't let tag team partners get reps when their partner is hurt and they just sit and wait. This kind of stuff is why you... don't do that or say that about human beings. If I hear anyone say wrestling is a visual sport and justify body shaming here again, I might just throw my arms up in disgust
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Post by Cyno on Feb 22, 2022 17:37:33 GMT -5
Do you just get off on being a miserable person? I mean, are you trying to defend Shawn's conduct there? Or the conduct of most of his career? If the shoe fits... (Even in his comeback period it's strange how Shawn always seemed to find himself winning blowoff matches even over younger talent, and the one time he didn't, he threw in-match and post-match temper tantrums just like the Shawn of old, which people defended because "LOL HE WAS ENTERTAINING.") I misread your post as snark while bypassing Dax's issues. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize. (And I think HBK is a snake)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 17:38:31 GMT -5
I remember when there were certain posters here who mocked The Revival for coming back from injury a bit pudgier than they were when they left, which was like a six month layoff at that time, one for injury, the other because WWE doesn't let tag team partners get reps when their partner is hurt and they just sit and wait. This kind of stuff is why you... don't do that or say that about human beings. If I hear anyone say wrestling is a visual sport and justify body shaming here again, I might just throw my arms up in disgust I still think there can be a conversation and middle ground with that argument though. For me personally, it is hard to take professional wrestlers that do not look like they could defend themselves as seriously, even in a scripted fight. I am 5'9, 175lbs and am basically built like Orange Cassidy and I do not feel like I would be a good representation either. It isn't necessarily the actual weight or height either is the interesting thing for me. PAC is much scarier of a man than Cole because of the intensity, attitude and drive that his body "visually" confirms. Some of the stuff that is said regarding wrestlers' weight and height is downright heinous but to say wrestling is not a visual sport is preposterous as well.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 22, 2022 17:51:03 GMT -5
I remember when WCW talents hit the WWE during the Invasion and they lost everything that made them stand out as the smaller guys became weird minihosses to try and appeal to Vince's notion of what a superstar looks like, losing a tonne of their flexibility in the process. It also meant the body guys, people whose biggest asset is their look didn't stand out at all. I can't fathom why anyone thinks wrestling would be better if everyone was roided, ripped and packed with pills to keep them working through then increased wear and tear that the 'superstar' body causes.
Let the walls of men be walls of men, let the body guys be body guys, let the gymnasts be gymnasts and let there be something for everyone. As long as the performers are healthy, what does it matter? Never forget that wrestling history is filled with people who looked a million bucks but got winded making their entrance, and people who ruined their long term health to maintain the body management expected.
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Post by polarbearpete on Feb 22, 2022 18:21:38 GMT -5
Do you just get off on being a miserable person? I mean, are you trying to defend Shawn's conduct there? Or the conduct of most of his career? If the shoe fits... (Even in his comeback period it's strange how Shawn always seemed to find himself winning blowoff matches even over younger talent, and the one time he didn't, he threw in-match and post-match temper tantrums just like the Shawn of old, which people defended because "LOL HE WAS ENTERTAINING.") Born again Christian that righted his life does not mean a person becomes a saint.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2022 18:57:23 GMT -5
I remember when WCW talents hit the WWE during the Invasion and they lost everything that made them stand out as the smaller guys became weird minihosses to try and appeal to Vince's notion of what a superstar looks like, losing a tonne of their flexibility in the process. It also meant the body guys, people whose biggest asset is their look didn't stand out at all. I can't fathom why anyone thinks wrestling would be better if everyone was roided, ripped and packed with pills to keep them working through then increased wear and tear that the 'superstar' body causes. Let the walls of men be walls of men, let the body guys be body guys, let the gymnasts be gymnasts and let there be something for everyone. As long as the performers are healthy, what does it matter? Never forget that wrestling history is filled with people who looked a million bucks but got winded making their entrance, and people who ruined their long term health to maintain the body management expected. Your examples are all extremes though...Lance Storm is a prime example of someone who was able to look the part without all of those things you mentioned.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 22, 2022 19:02:54 GMT -5
If I hear anyone say wrestling is a visual sport and justify body shaming here again, I might just throw my arms up in disgust I still think there can be a conversation and middle ground with that argument though. For me personally, it is hard to take professional wrestlers that do not look like they could defend themselves as seriously, even in a scripted fight. I am 5'9, 175lbs and am basically built like Orange Cassidy and I do not feel like I would be a good representation either. It isn't necessarily the actual weight or height either is the interesting thing for me. PAC is much scarier of a man than Cole because of the intensity, attitude and drive that his body "visually" confirms. Some of the stuff that is said regarding wrestlers' weight and height is downright heinous but to say wrestling is not a visual sport is preposterous as well. Nobody is saying wrestling isn't a visual sport, but that using the fact it's a visual sport to justify body shaming is bad. Like, yeah, PAC is scarier than Adam Cole, but you aren't supposed to really see Adam Cole as scary. That's not the purpose of an Adam Cole. He's agile, he's sneaky, he's a total dickhead. Same with Orange Cassidy; dude is lean--but very fit, visibly--and his unassuming figure works well with his act. If he was bulkier it would look all wrong on him and it wouldn't fit his vibe at all. PAC has an intensity that Adam Cole isn't meant to have because he's a very angry man who is here to smash people, and it befits everything he does that he looks like he lives in a gym solely trynig to sculpt his body to be a better vehicle for violence because that's what his character does. But therein lies the point and where body diversity sort of comes in well. Adam Cole might not look like a ton, but when he moves, you see what makes him special and see what makes him dangerous. To me, Adam Cole's look absolutely 'confirms' visually because what he's presenting doesn't need more. He's a lean, obviously fit man with speed and cardio and the raw wrestling talent to be a top threat to anyone who gets in there with him, and I don't know that more muscle really enhances that package.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Feb 22, 2022 19:43:43 GMT -5
I remember when WCW talents hit the WWE during the Invasion and they lost everything that made them stand out as the smaller guys became weird minihosses to try and appeal to Vince's notion of what a superstar looks like, losing a tonne of their flexibility in the process. It also meant the body guys, people whose biggest asset is their look didn't stand out at all. I can't fathom why anyone thinks wrestling would be better if everyone was roided, ripped and packed with pills to keep them working through then increased wear and tear that the 'superstar' body causes. Let the walls of men be walls of men, let the body guys be body guys, let the gymnasts be gymnasts and let there be something for everyone. As long as the performers are healthy, what does it matter? Never forget that wrestling history is filled with people who looked a million bucks but got winded making their entrance, and people who ruined their long term health to maintain the body management expected. Your examples are all extremes though...Lance Storm is a prime example of someone who was able to look the part without all of those things you mentioned. Lance Storm knew being able to look like him and pass a piss test was so rare in wrestling at that point in time he managed to make it into his gimmick. He was the outlier, not the baseline and that's damning in and of itself. He also ended up looking nothing special when he hit the WWE and was surrounded by a wall of power plant guys and cruisers who miraculously doubled in mass. If everyone's a body guy, being a body guy loses all meaning, it becomes the baseline and all it really means is a bunch of guys are shortening their careers and potentially their lives to keep up as they can't do it clean. If everyone us special in the same way then nobody is.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 22, 2022 19:44:39 GMT -5
I've never really seen what exactly is supposed to be the complaint about Adam Cole's look and I say that when I really don't even particularly like the guy and largely find him dull.
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Post by khali on Feb 23, 2022 18:12:23 GMT -5
It’s the weirdest thing. I hadn’t heard Wade Keller’s name in years, and now he’s suddenly the AEW gossip rag.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 23, 2022 18:19:16 GMT -5
It’s the weirdest thing. I hadn’t heard Wade Keller’s name in years, and now he’s suddenly the AEW gossip rag. Obviously, Keller's been at this a long time, but I do admit, this is probably partly why. Meltzer and SRS are obviously the big ones, and even freaking Ringside has broken a story or two. Wade hasn't been exactly Mr. Relevant, so while I'm not going to accuse him of just making stuff up wholesale, I do wonder if he's not exactly using the utmost scrutiny on his sources, or if he just happens to get sources Meltzer, Alvarez, etc, don't take seriously.
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