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Post by Eunös ✈ on Mar 12, 2022 6:33:47 GMT -5
Man, Its really not been Big E's year so far has it?
My one relief is that at least he is able to move his arms etc and thankfully we don't have another Droz scenario.
I'm sure Holland isn't a bad person but yeah, if this is the 2nd time then the dude seriously needs to be sent down for a little while, last thing you want is to a Nia Jax style reputation.
It also sucks that this happened just before Wrestlemania, obviously there is never a good time for this to happen, hopefully Big E makes a speedy recovery.
It's good to see as well that the power of positivity is not just a gimmick but something he preaches in real life.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 12, 2022 6:49:25 GMT -5
Having not been watching for quite some time, I can only wish Big E the best and hope for a full recovery.
No idea about the other talent involved, hope he doesn't let this consume him.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Mar 12, 2022 6:51:05 GMT -5
At least Big E has been successful and made a lot of money. If this ended up being the end of his career he should be ok.
With WWEs new developmental philosophy what happens when they rush a bunch of these just out of college athletes to the main roster and this happens to one of them? Before he or she has even built a career they spend a year or more healing being paid only their small downside. Then when they get cleared they end up being cut for "budget reasons". Now they have lost years chasing a WWE career with only a surgically repaired neck to show for it.
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Post by eJm on Mar 12, 2022 6:55:13 GMT -5
Why did they agree to that bump. First thing an agent should do is nix a bump like that with a dude that green. I think the fact the same bump happened involving the same guy happened not that long ago to someone else to the point it had to be edited out (Gargano in 2020) makes me wonder how someone thought it was a good idea to do it again in the first place to someone much bigger.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Mar 12, 2022 7:01:47 GMT -5
Man...heal up Big E!
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Post by Nosnorb on Mar 12, 2022 8:19:44 GMT -5
At least Big E has been successful and made a lot of money. If this ended up being the end of his career he should be ok. Hopefully it isnt, and the dude can have a comeback worthy of Edge. But if it is, then the dude has had quite the career. Hugely popular NXT Champ, part of Team Rocket and part of one of the greatest stables/Tag Teams in history. And even though the run wasn't all it could and should have been, he was WWE Champ. And he has been constantly one of the most over dudes on the roster for over 5 years. Hell, there were times that one of the only reasons to tune into WWE was for The New Day.
That is quite the career. Hopefully Big E has the chance to add another chapter to it, and comes back strong and most importantly, still has all his dance moves.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 12, 2022 8:35:24 GMT -5
Just hearing about this now. Get well soon, Big E, man is a treasure and I hope it's a full recovery.
Very relieved he has feeling and movement in his whole body. Bit like when Brock screwed up his F-5, If he wasn't such a muscled block of a man the impact and movement on his neck could've been even more severe.
Not good for Holland, though I'm sure he's suffering along with this now. Don't know which dingus approved the floor spot.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 12, 2022 8:40:14 GMT -5
Why did they agree to that bump. First thing an agent should do is nix a bump like that with a dude that green. I think the fact the same bump happened involving the same guy happened not that long ago to someone else to the point it had to be edited out (Gargano in 2020) makes me wonder how someone thought it was a good idea to do it again in the first place to someone much bigger. It was a different move. The Gargano one was a like mid-air Orton-like spinning powerslam. Similar to Orton’s except Gargano jumped into the air first. I honestly don’t think someone Big E’s size/weight should be taking overhead belly to belly suplexes. He’s taken them before and it always looks like a close call with how big he is.
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Post by Legion on Mar 12, 2022 8:50:41 GMT -5
From looking at the video clip on Twitter, looks like Ridge pulled him up at too high an angle so E didn't have a chance to jump to help with the momentum of the flip.
Just a really nasty spot. I'd assume they practiced it given how WWE produces the matches now, but both Ridge and the agent of the match likely need to review the choices/moves they are asking for/doing.
Get well soon, Big E.
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Post by cornettesracket on Mar 12, 2022 8:57:04 GMT -5
It’s probably been mentioned already but reading through the replies to the video Big E put would warm your heart. It’s fans and wrestlers from all companies around the world wishing him well. It’s been said that he’s an amazing and funny human being and the outpouring of good wishes shows that. You can’t fake that. How many wrestlers who are injured getting wished well by three country specific wwe accounts(Spain, Australia, and New Zealand) after an injury ?
When he comes back from this injury, that pop will make the one HHH got as MSG look small.
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Post by eJm on Mar 12, 2022 9:06:05 GMT -5
I think the fact the same bump happened involving the same guy happened not that long ago to someone else to the point it had to be edited out (Gargano in 2020) makes me wonder how someone thought it was a good idea to do it again in the first place to someone much bigger. It was a different move. The Gargano one was a like mid-air Orton-like spinning powerslam. Similar to Orton’s except Gargano jumped into the air first. I honestly don’t think someone Big E’s size/weight should be taking overhead belly to belly suplexes. He’s taken them before and it always looks like a close call with how big he is. The point then becomes why is he still doing moves like that that he can’t execute right? He was in developmental for half a decade.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 12, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -5
It was a different move. The Gargano one was a like mid-air Orton-like spinning powerslam. Similar to Orton’s except Gargano jumped into the air first. I honestly don’t think someone Big E’s size/weight should be taking overhead belly to belly suplexes. He’s taken them before and it always looks like a close call with how big he is. The point then becomes why is he still doing moves like that that he can’t execute right? He was in developmental for half a decade. It’s definitely too high a risk spot for someone of Holland’s experience (although he wrestled 2 years before joining WWE and has been going for 6 years total now) and Big E’s size. They did fight one-on-one last Sunday at a house show. Wonder if they did the move there and it worked out fine.
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on Mar 12, 2022 9:50:00 GMT -5
I’m not gonna blame Holland here. This was a high risk, low reward spot that no sane agent should have allowed him to do.
There is a systemic problem in the E that keeps allowing accidents like this happen, and it needs to stop. They just potentially lost one of their best guys over this.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Mar 12, 2022 9:58:51 GMT -5
I see people blaming WWE or the producer and I totally disagree. This is 100% on Holland. He's been wrestling for 6 years now. He ain't a rookie. I just think it's unfair to act like WWE has a bunch of unsafe workers when that's just not true. He needs to go back to NXT or be fired.
Also prayers up to Big E. He's one of the best guys and this is just horrible.
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Post by eJm on Mar 12, 2022 10:05:24 GMT -5
I’m not gonna blame Holland here. This was a high risk, low reward spot that no sane agent should have allowed him to do. There is a systemic problem in the E that keeps allowing accidents like this happen, and it needs to stop. They just potentially lost one of their best guys over this. I’m not going to either, he doesn’t seem to have a big history of these things and even then, there needed to be someone higher up or even putting together the match to kibosh stuff like that. Lesser stuff has gotten agents fired. Like you said, this stuff seems to be happening across all experience levels to the point where the social media accounts don’t seem to be aware what are botches and what aren’t which just makes the product look bad to onlookers.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 12, 2022 10:17:58 GMT -5
I see people blaming WWE or the producer and I totally disagree. This is 100% on Holland. He's been wrestling for 6 years now. He ain't a rookie. I just think it's unfair to act like WWE has a bunch of unsafe workers when that's just not true. He needs to go back to NXT or be fired. Also prayers up to Big E. He's one of the best guys and this is just horrible. The move itself isn’t 100% Holland’s move to execute, it requires Big E’s somersaulting as well, so I have trouble blaming him 100%. That’s why I don’t think someone Big E’s size should be taking a move like this. It’s too high-risk with little reward.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Mar 12, 2022 10:26:30 GMT -5
I see people blaming WWE or the producer and I totally disagree. This is 100% on Holland. He's been wrestling for 6 years now. He ain't a rookie. I just think it's unfair to act like WWE has a bunch of unsafe workers when that's just not true. He needs to go back to NXT or be fired. Also prayers up to Big E. He's one of the best guys and this is just horrible. Seth Rollins f***ed a bunch of people up in the ring, should they fire him too? I don’t watch enough to know if this Holland guy is in the Rollins “Hey, maybe stop doing those certain moves” camp or the Nia Jax “No, it’s legitimately dangerous to wrestle them” camp but it seems like the former based on the comments. Two similar spots went wrong. Stop doing those spots.
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Post by eJm on Mar 12, 2022 10:29:56 GMT -5
I see people blaming WWE or the producer and I totally disagree. This is 100% on Holland. He's been wrestling for 6 years now. He ain't a rookie. I just think it's unfair to act like WWE has a bunch of unsafe workers when that's just not true. He needs to go back to NXT or be fired. Also prayers up to Big E. He's one of the best guys and this is just horrible. The move itself isn’t 100% Holland’s move to execute, it requires Big E’s somersaulting as well, so I have trouble blaming him 100%. That’s why I don’t think someone Big E’s size should be taking a move like this. It’s too high-risk with little reward. Also to add, considering that the company has a history of having control over names, gimmicks, historically what they can wear on the road, what they do when they’re not at work etc, it’s weird to say that they have no responsibility over what moves people do and whether both sides should be doing it. I’m not even saying it’s 100% WWE here, nor that Holland and E don’t have any in this, but I’m also saying to take responsibility away from them is really weird.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 12, 2022 10:37:10 GMT -5
The move itself isn’t 100% Holland’s move to execute, it requires Big E’s somersaulting as well, so I have trouble blaming him 100%. That’s why I don’t think someone Big E’s size should be taking a move like this. It’s too high-risk with little reward. Also to add, considering that the company has a history of having control over names, gimmicks, historically what they can wear on the road, what they do when they’re not at work etc, it’s weird to say that they have no responsibility over what moves people do and whether both sides should be doing it. I’m not even saying it’s 100% WWE here, nor that Holland and E don’t have any in this, but I’m also saying to take responsibility away from them is really weird. Especially since, like, WWE obviously doesn't give a flying f*** about injuries and makes zero moves to address whenever people are problematic. Look at how they basically let Nia Jax end Kairi Sane's career and did absolutely nothing about it.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 12, 2022 10:41:21 GMT -5
It’s pretty telling that folks from all over the wrestling landscape are sending well wishes and love under that video. Big E’s beloved.
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