4real
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Post by 4real on Mar 12, 2022 10:41:45 GMT -5
If I had a time machine I would go back to just over 2 years ago when I was working at Gatwick Airport when I saw Ridge & Chris Hero and tell Ridge Holland not to suplex Big E.
If anyone has a time machine handy?
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Post by rogermortus on Mar 12, 2022 10:47:08 GMT -5
Vince has to be regretting this a little. Big E is cash cow. That’s what really hurts Vince. Although he does have the show mentality that the show must go on.
I’m not in a violent or angry state, but this is on Holland as much as anyone else.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Mar 12, 2022 10:48:43 GMT -5
This isn't really relevant but who TF is Ridge Holland? I feel like 90% of these new WWE dudes have names like 'Buzz Goonboy'.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 12, 2022 10:49:26 GMT -5
It’s pretty telling that folks from all over the wrestling landscape are sending well wishes and love under that video. Big E’s beloved. Regardless of what you think about their work, the fact that the two people Amanda Huber asked to be there for her sons when Brodie died were Cody and Big E says a lot about both of them as people. |
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Post by pinja on Mar 12, 2022 11:00:15 GMT -5
The overhead version of the suplex (or any suplex for that matter) is pro wrestling stuff, so I'd bet that in most cases, it's a heavily assisted move.
Seeing how it went, I feel like Ridge was arching too flat and Big E couldn't accomodate properly by jumping high. But in the Belly to Belly position, that's difficult anyway when the jump doesn't match perfectly with the hip thrust of the wrestler doing the move.
There's a reason why most people (with the exception of Greg Vallentine?) said that being suplexed by the Steiners is about as safe as it get while being ragdolled, because they are strong (end technical) enough to throw you regardless of cooperation.
Ridge Holland may have the strength (may!), but I doubt he has the technique. Hence why most people doing the Overhead Belly to Belly do the awful, ugly version that I think MVP popularized, where the opponent does all the jumping. McIntyre does it as well and it looks equally atrocious, but at least it's safe.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 12, 2022 11:01:31 GMT -5
I see people blaming WWE or the producer and I totally disagree. This is 100% on Holland. He's been wrestling for 6 years now. He ain't a rookie. I just think it's unfair to act like WWE has a bunch of unsafe workers when that's just not true. He needs to go back to NXT or be fired. Also prayers up to Big E. He's one of the best guys and this is just horrible. The move itself isn’t 100% Holland’s move to execute, it requires Big E’s somersaulting as well, so I have trouble blaming him 100%. That’s why I don’t think someone Big E’s size should be taking a move like this. It’s too high-risk with little reward. No way in hell do I feel up to rewatching the clip right now to try and Zapruder it, but I agree with this. We don’t know where things went wrong. For all we know this is 100% shit happens, maybe Big E thought it was “1,2,3 Go!” and Holland thought it was “1,2,3”. Maybe Holland tried to power him over and failed, maybe Big E’s knee tried to buckle when he jumped and he accidentally sandbagged him. There’s a million variables at play and any one of them could’ve caused this incident. Until Big E or Holland specifically come out and say “this is where shit went sideways” I’m not casting judgement |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2022 11:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 12, 2022 11:09:19 GMT -5
That's a Rey Fenix style set of dodged bullet, jeez. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2022 11:10:32 GMT -5
For those who can’t see the tweet, “just” a fractured C1 and C6 vertebrae, with no spinal cord or ligament damage, and apparently he won’t require surgery.
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Post by Hypnosis on Mar 12, 2022 11:15:55 GMT -5
That's a Rey Fenix style set of dodged bullet, jeez. Big E's got a strong neck. I'm relieved he won't need surgery. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 12, 2022 11:20:40 GMT -5
Excellent to hear it's not too huge of a disaster. Scary situation but glad he made it through it.
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Mar 12, 2022 11:21:16 GMT -5
Thank god he's going to be okay. Breaking the bone that supports your head sucks, but it could have been so much worse.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 12, 2022 11:22:41 GMT -5
Sounds crazy to say but it’s the best case scenario if you break it. Glad he’s in good spirits.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 12, 2022 11:23:39 GMT -5
Can someone update the title to make it a little more clear at a glance that it's not as bad as it could have been?
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2022 11:28:45 GMT -5
Sounds crazy to say but it’s the best case scenario if you break it. Glad he’s in good spirits. Even the fact that SmackDown was in Birmingham, AL. That’s where their main emergency doctor is based (Dr. James Andrews). |
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Mar 12, 2022 11:36:23 GMT -5
Also to add, considering that the company has a history of having control over names, gimmicks, historically what they can wear on the road, what they do when they’re not at work etc, it’s weird to say that they have no responsibility over what moves people do and whether both sides should be doing it. I’m not even saying it’s 100% WWE here, nor that Holland and E don’t have any in this, but I’m also saying to take responsibility away from them is really weird. Especially since, like, WWE obviously doesn't give a flying f*** about injuries and makes zero moves to address whenever people are problematic. Look at how they basically let Nia Jax end Kairi Sane's career and did absolutely nothing about it. And this is what worries me. The second chance after second chance Nia got. Ahmed was like this to a degree too, though they shunted him down the card by the time he got to be a problem. But....Holland isn't related to the Rock, so who knows? On the other hand, D'Lo did stop using the running powerbomb. Think Rollins stopped using the buckle bomb too, to be fair. |
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Post by Ringmaster on Mar 12, 2022 11:46:24 GMT -5
Especially since, like, WWE obviously doesn't give a flying f*** about injuries and makes zero moves to address whenever people are problematic. Look at how they basically let Nia Jax end Kairi Sane's career and did absolutely nothing about it. And this is what worries me. The second chance after second chance Nia got. Ahmed was like this to a degree too, though they shunted him down the card by the time he got to be a problem. But....Holland isn't related to the Rock, so who knows? On the other hand, D'Lo did stop using the running powerbomb. Think Rollins stopped using the buckle bomb too, to be fair. It's a safe bet to say we won't ever be seeing the overhead belly to belly again. |
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Post by Spiderf 4 on Mar 12, 2022 11:47:10 GMT -5
If I had a time machine I would go back to just over 2 years ago when I was working at Gatwick Airport when I saw Ridge & Chris Hero and tell Ridge Holland not to suplex Big E. If anyone has a time machine handy? Chris: "Hey should I refrain from suplexing Big E?" You: "...you won't have to worry about that." |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 12, 2022 11:51:33 GMT -5
The move itself isn’t 100% Holland’s move to execute, it requires Big E’s somersaulting as well, so I have trouble blaming him 100%. That’s why I don’t think someone Big E’s size should be taking a move like this. It’s too high-risk with little reward. No way in hell do I feel up to rewatching the clip right now to try and Zapruder it, but I agree with this. We don’t know where things went wrong. For all we know this is 100% shit happens, maybe Big E thought it was “1,2,3 Go!” and Holland thought it was “1,2,3”. Maybe Holland tried to power him over and failed, maybe Big E’s knee tried to buckle when he jumped and he accidentally sandbagged him. There’s a million variables at play and any one of them could’ve caused this incident. Until Big E or Holland specifically come out and say “this is where shit went sideways” I’m not casting judgement All it takes is half a second of miscommunication (like E jumping too early or Ridge lifting too early) or rotating too late, and shit can go so wrong. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Mar 12, 2022 11:52:47 GMT -5
Doing a bit of Dr. Google here, so this won’t be 100% accurate… Looking up recovery times for fractured vertebrae that don’t require surgery, he’s probably looking at three months minimum before he’s able to get the bracing off, and then probably a bit longer after that while he eases himself back into it and gets his neck back into as good a shape as it can get. Being back in action before the end of 2022 may be a realistic possibility, although if I were booking, I’d hold him off until Rumble season.
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