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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 16, 2022 16:09:17 GMT -5
Ox Baker killed two men in the ring and caused riots. Then ‘The Price is Right’ put him over. I know of at least one riot, but he didn’t really kill anyone.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Apr 16, 2022 17:02:13 GMT -5
AJ Styles is a homophobe and is FAR smarter than people give him credit for being. People like to handwave his behaviour away as being that of some goofy, smiling farmboy turned wrestling genius who fell off the back of a truck a week ago so doesn't know any better, but he's been wrestling in major promotions, travelling the world and living and working around a diverse array of people since WCW. Whenever he's signed to a major promotion, he keeps the mask firmly on, he knows calling people homophobic slurs won't fly, but he'll use them like they're going out of fashion when working indies. People know who he is, but he wrestles good and smiles a bunch, so he gets nothing but praise. That mask is going to be thrown aside entirely when he retires and I don't think many of his fans will like what they see. If you’ve ever heard AJ talk about his religious beliefs, it explains a lot. I seem to recall AJ Styles is a flat-earther as well? That is fringe based on some of the stuff here.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 16, 2022 17:23:07 GMT -5
Ox Baker killed two men in the ring and caused riots. Then ‘The Price is Right’ put him over. I know of at least one riot, but he didn’t really kill anyone. Two men died after wrestling him. In kayfabe, he owned that as part of his character — they died from his heart punch. That’s what was at the heart (pun intended) of the Cleveland riot — he jumped Ernie Ladd after a match and repeatedly heart punched him. Some in the audience thought Ox was going to legit kill him.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 16, 2022 17:27:11 GMT -5
I know of at least one riot, but he didn’t really kill anyone. Two men died after wrestling him. In kayfabe, he owned that as part of his character — they died from his heart punch. That’s what was at the heart (pun intended) of the Cleveland riot — he jumped Ernie Ladd after a match and repeatedly heart punched him. Some in the audience thought Ox was going to legit kill him. I’m aware of that, but he never actually killed anyone. Great for heat, but nothing that actually makes him a horrible human being.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 16, 2022 17:47:24 GMT -5
Two men died after wrestling him. In kayfabe, he owned that as part of his character — they died from his heart punch. That’s what was at the heart (pun intended) of the Cleveland riot — he jumped Ernie Ladd after a match and repeatedly heart punched him. Some in the audience thought Ox was going to legit kill him. I’m aware of that, but he never actually killed anyone. Great for heat, but nothing that actually makes him a horrible human being. Geez it was a joke. Lighten up, Francis.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 16, 2022 17:49:23 GMT -5
I’m aware of that, but he never actually killed anyone. Great for heat, but nothing that actually makes him a horrible human being. Geez it was a joke. Lighten up, Francis. No, I don’t wanna.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 16, 2022 18:04:16 GMT -5
My #1 name for this will always be New Jack. NEW JACK, NEW JACK, NEW JACK. Dude constantly was trying to legitimately maim or kill his opponents, but way too many people think it was FUNNY that he did it. Two conflicting things can be true. New Jack was sometimes a charismatic and funny guy who entertained millions of wrestling fans, and he was also a demented sociopath who injured and attempted murders while wrestling and really shouldn’t have even been allowed in the buildings.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Apr 16, 2022 18:11:10 GMT -5
Before that horrible event of June 2007.
Chris Benoit was pretty much a well loved individual.
However it seems that even before he ended up doing what he'd did, there are stories of him joining Bradshaw in backstage bullying and how Nancy wanted a divorce as she felt unsafe.
Benoit was my favourite wrestler, but the more you hear, its clear he didn't just turn into an arsehole overnight.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Apr 16, 2022 18:12:32 GMT -5
Once again what is this pass and who's giving it to them?
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 16, 2022 18:57:54 GMT -5
Geez it was a joke. Lighten up, Francis. No, I don’t wanna. Don’t make me break out the heart punch on ya.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Apr 16, 2022 18:59:58 GMT -5
Don’t make me break out the heart punch on ya. The neighborhood will riot!
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Apr 16, 2022 20:51:59 GMT -5
My #1 name for this will always be New Jack. NEW JACK, NEW JACK, NEW JACK. Dude constantly was trying to legitimately maim or kill his opponents, but way too many people think it was FUNNY that he did it. Two conflicting things can be true. New Jack was sometimes a charismatic and funny guy who entertained millions of wrestling fans, and he was also a demented sociopath who injured and attempted murders while wrestling and really shouldn’t have even been allowed in the buildings. Was the part about him being a bounty hunter with 4 justified killings to his name true?
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 16, 2022 21:43:22 GMT -5
Once again what is this pass and who's giving it to them? Basically the pass is treating said wrestler(or wrestlers) as legends by showering them with positive accolades despite being shit people. WWE and it's fans are giving it to them.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 16, 2022 22:28:56 GMT -5
Before that horrible event of June 2007. Chris Benoit was pretty much a well loved individual. However it seems that even before he ended up doing what he'd did, there are stories of him joining Bradshaw in backstage bullying and how Nancy wanted a divorce as she felt unsafe. Benoit was my favourite wrestler, but the more you hear, its clear he didn't just turn into an arsehole overnight. All you need to do is look at Regal's interview from the tribute Raw. Before the news broke, Regal knew it for sure that Benoit murdered his wife and son, and then killed himself.
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 17, 2022 7:06:06 GMT -5
Before that horrible event of June 2007. Chris Benoit was pretty much a well loved individual. However it seems that even before he ended up doing what he'd did, there are stories of him joining Bradshaw in backstage bullying and how Nancy wanted a divorce as she felt unsafe. Benoit was my favourite wrestler, but the more you hear, its clear he didn't just turn into an arsehole overnight. All you need to do is look at Regal's interview from the tribute Raw. Before the news broke, Regal knew it for sure that Benoit murdered his wife and son, and then killed himself. According to the all mighty wikipedia... "Benoit spoke both English and French fluently.[142] He married twice, and had two children (David and Megan) with his first wife, Martina.[143] By 1997, that marriage had broken down, and Benoit was living with Nancy Sullivan, the wife of the WCW booker and frequent opponent Kevin Sullivan. On February 25, 2000, Chris and Nancy's son Daniel was born; on November 23, 2000, Chris and Nancy married. It was Nancy's third marriage. In 2003, Nancy filed for divorce from Benoit, citing the marriage as "irrevocably broken" and alleging "cruel treatment". She claimed that he would break and throw furniture around.[144][145] She later dropped the suit as well as the restraining order she had filed." I understand this kind of behavior doesn't necessarily mean he would become a murderer, but obviously there was more too it than him having dementia and snapping. The fact that he placed bibles on Nancy and Daniel's bodies showed he knew what he was doing on some level. I feel like this part always gets overlooked(if not ignored) by large sections of the IWC. And yes, while he might've been respectful to fans, those same fans didn't work with him to see the type of person he was backstage. I'm not saying he was a bully to everybody, but from the stories I heard, he wasn't always the easiest to work with. One notable example was Daniel Puder and how him, Eddie, and Bob Holly spent 3 minutes chopping him at the Royal Rumble, and yes I get it, he was not 100% an innocent victim to the hazing as he was an arrogant ass himself, but there could've been better ways to deal with him then doing it the way he and his buddies did. And from what I read, this wasn't an isolated case of The Crippler's bullying ways. There's no excusing bullying behavior no matter how well you can fake fight.
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Apr 17, 2022 8:18:52 GMT -5
With Benoit, I suspect that at least part of the reason he was so respected and spoken of so highly before his death was because he was one of those people who unflinchingly bought into the bullshit of "the business"; The Undertaker is another who is/was revered by his contemporaries for similar reasons despite quite a lot of evidence of him actually being a bit of a shit, you're respected for living it and taking it ultra seriously. The problem here is that the industry is so nasty and so toxic that it makes the people who revere it nasty and toxic themselves, so they end up gaining respect for being that way. It's f***ed.
Bigger picture though, even before the murders it's pretty clear he was a very unwell man.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 17, 2022 11:27:55 GMT -5
Undertaker may be the biggest one both in and out of the locker room. Cultivated a work environment where people who show the slightest perceived slight attend a literal kangaroo court. Beat the shit out of a man on live tv for being gay. Did an interview wishing for the glory days of people who roofie people and bring guns to work, and wore a shirt (maybe unknowingly) supporting white supremacy. And yet no matter how many videos of him crying at his HOF speech I have to flag, they still pop up on my YT feed.
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Post by sungod2020 on Apr 17, 2022 11:34:14 GMT -5
Undertaker may be the biggest one both in and out of the locker room. Cultivated a work environment where people who show the slightest perceived slight attend a literal kangaroo court. Beat the shit out of a man on live tv for being gay. Did an interview wishing for the glory days of people who roofie people and bring guns to work, and wore a shirt (maybe unknowingly) supporting white supremacy. And yet no matter how many videos of him crying at his HOF speech I have to flag, they still pop up on my YT feed. When did any of this happen, especially the first one? Hearing all those stories of certain guys doing awful things makes me feel conflicted on my support for them and where to draw the line between separating the performer and the character.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Apr 17, 2022 11:35:49 GMT -5
Before that horrible event of June 2007. Chris Benoit was pretty much a well loved individual. However it seems that even before he ended up doing what he'd did, there are stories of him joining Bradshaw in backstage bullying and how Nancy wanted a divorce as she felt unsafe. Benoit was my favourite wrestler, but the more you hear, its clear he didn't just turn into an arsehole overnight. All you need to do is look at Regal's interview from the tribute Raw. Before the news broke, Regal knew it for sure that Benoit murdered his wife and son, and then killed himself. I know Ring Of Hell is not regarded as a credible source, but I think it's thesis of "this was a guy with mental health issues going all the way back to childhood who had the misfortune to become successful in an industry he physically was poorly suited for and that tends to be an emotional meat grinder even for people on an even keel" is absolutely correct.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 17, 2022 12:13:31 GMT -5
Undertaker may be the biggest one both in and out of the locker room. Cultivated a work environment where people who show the slightest perceived slight attend a literal kangaroo court. Beat the shit out of a man on live tv for being gay. Did an interview wishing for the glory days of people who roofie people and bring guns to work, and wore a shirt (maybe unknowingly) supporting white supremacy. And yet no matter how many videos of him crying at his HOF speech I have to flag, they still pop up on my YT feed. When did any of this happen, especially the first one? Hearing all those stories of certain guys doing awful things makes me feel conflicted on my support for them and where to draw the line between separating the performer and the character. It was a brutal beating of Chris Kanyon including hard back shots with a chair and an unprotected chair head shot. Paul Heyman was up on the entrance and his reaction seems pretty legit horrified.
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