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Post by 67 more on Apr 15, 2022 9:16:03 GMT -5
Mick Foley is by no means a horrible human being but a lot of his interactions with female talent are pretty cringe-inducing. The stuff with Melina on the 00’s especially so but even now his Twitter posts to the current roster will sound more like some pervy fanboy trolling for attention. I've posted it on here before-the message board "Foley is Crud" He has gotten better the last few years but like 2010-2015 era Foley was pretty awful at meet and greets. The whole post started because he downgraded to a coach from first class flight and pocketed the difference the promoter paid and refused to mention the promoters indy promotion because he was hoping WWE would ask him back. 50 pages later, people were posting their awful experience with Foley at autograph signings. He is widely regarded as a nice guy and I do think he was nicer years ago and has gotten nice again but there was a time he was just as crappy as Greg Valentine, Abdullah and others on the show circuit. I also do think Flair had it right with the "glorified stuntman" quote but because Flair can't say that to his face, of course he backtracked. To call Foley a glorified stuntman is such a gross oversimplification of what Foley was. Yes, he took a lot of stupid spots he shouldn't have done, yes, he wasn't a strong wrestler, a fast wrestler, a technical, no, he was never in the best shape. What he was though was an amazing promo, had great character work and storytelling and had an unparalled connection with the fans. His bumps got him sympathy as a babyface and made him look unkillable as a heel. Foley is the first wrestler I can think of where the fans universally realised "holy shit, you've wrecked your body for us and man, do we appreciate it." I can't speak about personal interactions with Foley because I've never met the man, but to just dismiss him as some shindy garbage wrestling idiot is baffling to me.
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Post by chazraps on Apr 15, 2022 12:52:38 GMT -5
Meltz has never, ever known how to speak to or about women, so that's why he's gotten rightfully ridiculed for attempting to chastise Foley on the topic. What are some examples of the Foley tweets/interactions? I recall a lot of the blowback being overblown as Foley was just earnestly trying to shine a light on the women when nobody else really was. A lot of the women have fun back and forths on Twitter, like Trish has been having little mini-feuds with Becky and Bayley. Mick has a tendency to reply to all of these in a way that’s more “kind of creepy fan” than “respected wrestling legend”. The tweets themselves aren’t vulgar or anything, it’s more like he’s desperately seeking attention from the women. Again, it’s nowhere near the top of the list of scummy wrestling things but it happens enough that it’s not the greatest look for Mick. Can you show me an example of some of these?
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 15, 2022 14:11:13 GMT -5
As much as I'm super critical of Punk and am tempted to name him, there's a HUGE difference between being a horrible human being and just being a dick.
Edit: Seriously, so he's rude to some fans sometimes. At least he wasn't a rapist or a wife-beater, or a white nationalist(thank god).
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Post by msc on Apr 15, 2022 14:25:28 GMT -5
He was a famous British television presenter who had a shit tonne of tv shows over the years and was thought of as a delightful eccentric. About a year after he died it turned out he was perhaps the biggest serial pedophile in the history of the UK. From the outside here in America It also sounds like it was a massive open secret. Well, yes and no. Clearly a lot of people knew and many who tried to get him for it found themselves stonewalled due to his contacts in the police and society. (And Saville was an ex-wrestler and could be a threatening guy up close, apparently.) But the urban legends were mostly viewed as just that, akin to the Queen being a lizard or Elon Musk having a Mars colony or what not. Savile painted himself as a nutty professor but decent chap who was very into charity fundraising for kids, and millions of people bought into it. And many who did have a bad feeling about him (like my mum, who would never let us watch Jim'll Fix It) had no idea he really was what he was. Best I can describe is if the old guy everyone in the playground used to joke was a serial killer as part of the school games died and you found out he was actually Ted Bundy/Fred West/someone like that. If it was an open secret there'd have been far less jokes. On the other hand, Rolf Harris was the go to safe kids TV entertainer schools brought in to give you the warning about talking about strangers chat, so him turning out to be Yewtree Guilty was an almighty shock.
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Post by Malcolm on Apr 15, 2022 14:45:17 GMT -5
How about Jesse Ventura? Without getting too deep into Those Topics, he has the 9/11 inside job conspiracy theories. Not wrong about his feelings about the two major parties though. Let me stop you right there. Jesse's conspiracy beliefs never once veered into the "wow, you're horrible" territory. He fell out of favor with the greater conspiracy community in 2012 when he spoke up AGAINST the Sandy Hook conspiracies. He's never veered into the super fringe modern conspiracy landscape. Yes, he had a show called 'Conspiracy Theory' at the start of the decade, but those were all JFK assassination / humanzees type conspiracies that never really harmed anyone. Even with the 9/11 stuff, he didn't take the dog-whistle approach so many of them have. I think "9/11 truth" on the whole without exception is all hogwash and balderdash, but there's different sects of thought and Jesse's fell into the comparatively more innocuous side and not the "Jewish phone call" territory. So in other words, Jesse "The Body" Ventura is the last real conspiracy theorist?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 15, 2022 14:51:43 GMT -5
I think Foley is what I'd call a chivalrous creep. He's not actually meaning any harm and someone sitting him down and talking to him would probably get him to consider what he says. That's not defending him, just he's more like an uncle that thinks he's being funny than a Flair type.
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Post by nickcave on Apr 15, 2022 16:20:13 GMT -5
Ron Simmons doesn't get nearly as much flak as Bradshaw, does he? He was just as big on taking liberties with guys to teach them a lesson in respect. Everytime I bring it up I'm flamed. I bring up the intentional injury he inflicted on Ahmed Johnson but people flame me. Ron says it was a receipt for Ahmed injuring him yet they never had a match prior to Ron coming into WWF and kicking Ahmed's kidneys into oblivion. Ron's a liar. Ahmed was never "injury prone" until Ron got a hold of him. People give Ron a pass because he's a veteran and because, like Piper/black face/Mr. T racism, he's been super nice (like "the nicest person I've ever met") at autograph signings. Bradshaw's assault on Public Enemy was worse than Ron's but both guys assault were just that, assaults. Bradshaw's was attempted man slaughter at the least but both guys had a part in potentially killing Public Enemy if it had gone any worse. Ron had one of the guys in a dominator that got so close to breaking their neck (I think Rocco) that I think it was by pure luck that the guy didn't get paralyzed. I have no doubt if Rocco or Johnny got paralyzed, Ron would make a "this business" or "loyalty" excuse. Meanwhile, a kind guy like D'Lo lives with the hell of an accident. But Ron's is a veteran and he signs autographs and is personable, so all good with the fans. And Ahmed didn't pay his dues, he lacked worked rate and didn't give good promos. Yeah that stuff with Ron and Ahmed is bad but Mark Henry claims Ahmed Johnson tried to roofie him at a dinner so it's not like he's exactly a great guy either lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2022 17:02:54 GMT -5
The real answer to this is, "we don't know...yet" there's probably someone with a wholesome image who has a closet full of skeletons that won't be opened for years.
I'm sure it won't be my favorite, might be yours.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 15, 2022 20:17:57 GMT -5
Yep. Yet he is now one of WWE's go-to legends, especially in the post-Hogangate times. I guess so long as you don't get caught saying something racist... Him and Warrior are "safer" because, well, they're dead, easier to brush stuff over them, and they're unlikely to do anything in future. Hardcore fans will know, but anything about them isn't going to be big news the PR people need to worry about. Hogan, you don't know if something's going to come out of his mouth next week. “Unlikely”? I’d say certain.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 15, 2022 21:08:28 GMT -5
Rob Feinstein is still in business, is he not?
I will say since indies here have restarted, I've seen less of an RF Video table, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2022 1:08:01 GMT -5
Steve Austin was the first name that came to my mind.
I like Austin myself but I find it strange how the fans just turned a blind eye to him battering his wife, yet those same fans find Hogan's racist rant unforgiveable and no coming back from it.
I guess we live in a world where words are worse than violence and assault these days.
Mike Tyson and 2Pac are beloved aswell, despite being convicted rapists.
I'm not saying what Hogan said was acceptable... But I can't help but feel if he had "workrate tax", more people would be forgiving over it. I even see some Benoit fans still and like other people said... If Goldberg killed his family, would that be a thing?
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 16, 2022 1:27:00 GMT -5
Rob Feinstein is still in business, is he not? I will say since indies here have restarted, I've seen less of an RF Video table, though. Yes, he has an indie that gets way bigger houses and stacked cards than it should. Battleground Championship Wrestling. Also, if there is anyone in the US booking Atsushi Onita right now, know that RF is Onita's US manager so anyone booking him is financing him and putting him physically in the venue. H2O/Matt Tremont learned this the hard way on show day when they booked the Exploding Death Match and finds out RF is there with Onita at his merch table.
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Post by jp49er80 on Apr 16, 2022 8:21:14 GMT -5
AJ Styles is a homophobe and is FAR smarter than people give him credit for being. People like to handwave his behaviour away as being that of some goofy, smiling farmboy turned wrestling genius who fell off the back of a truck a week ago so doesn't know any better, but he's been wrestling in major promotions, travelling the world and living and working around a diverse array of people since WCW. Whenever he's signed to a major promotion, he keeps the mask firmly on, he knows calling people homophobic slurs won't fly, but he'll use them like they're going out of fashion when working indies. People know who he is, but he wrestles good and smiles a bunch, so he gets nothing but praise. That mask is going to be thrown aside entirely when he retires and I don't think many of his fans will like what they see. I seem to recall him gloating about 'snapping necks and cashing checks' right after he'd broken someone's neck over here in the UK too. Memory is a little fuzzy so maybe someone else knows more on it than I but I think it may have been Kris Travis?
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Apr 16, 2022 8:53:25 GMT -5
Batista cheated on his wife when she was suffering from cancer.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Apr 16, 2022 10:52:13 GMT -5
Batista cheated on his wife when she was suffering from cancer. to be fair to Big Dave, it sounds like his marriage was already pretty much over at the time he started seeing other women. he was still supporting her financially and making sure she got the medical help she needed but their marriage was already on the rocks long before she got sick.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Apr 16, 2022 11:04:08 GMT -5
AJ Styles is a homophobe and is FAR smarter than people give him credit for being. People like to handwave his behaviour away as being that of some goofy, smiling farmboy turned wrestling genius who fell off the back of a truck a week ago so doesn't know any better, but he's been wrestling in major promotions, travelling the world and living and working around a diverse array of people since WCW. Whenever he's signed to a major promotion, he keeps the mask firmly on, he knows calling people homophobic slurs won't fly, but he'll use them like they're going out of fashion when working indies. People know who he is, but he wrestles good and smiles a bunch, so he gets nothing but praise. That mask is going to be thrown aside entirely when he retires and I don't think many of his fans will like what they see. I seem to recall him gloating about 'snapping necks and cashing checks' right after he'd broken someone's neck over here in the UK too. Memory is a little fuzzy so maybe someone else knows more on it than I but I think it may have been Kris Travis? Lionheart
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 16, 2022 11:59:20 GMT -5
Ox Baker killed two men in the ring and caused riots.
Then ‘The Price is Right’ put him over.
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Post by Jacy Jayne Atomic Dog AMV on Apr 16, 2022 12:11:39 GMT -5
Ox Baker killed two men in the ring and caused riots. Then ‘The Price is Right’ put him over. Is this a confession
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 16, 2022 12:22:14 GMT -5
My #1 name for this will always be New Jack.
NEW JACK, NEW JACK, NEW JACK.
Dude constantly was trying to legitimately maim or kill his opponents, but way too many people think it was FUNNY that he did it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 16, 2022 12:31:12 GMT -5
Rob Feinstein is still in business, is he not? I will say since indies here have restarted, I've seen less of an RF Video table, though. The degree to which Rob Feinstein continued to find work and connections for years after the evidence of what he was doing was made publicly available on national f***ing television is one of the most damning black marks on wrestling as an industry. Individuals will do messed up stuff. Groups of people will do messed up stuff. But the number of people who happily took a paycheck from the guy and the utter absence of any backlash from within the industry, or even like one person vehemently being like "I told him no I'm not doing a shoot for a pedophile" is horrific.
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