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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:08:46 GMT -5
streamable.com/kg1cjsThe basis of it is how thin skinned AEW fans are and can't handle any negative feedback on AEW. His 2 big talking points are... Danhausen and how they have done nothing to present him at all, he hasn't said very nice very evil, you're on tv most people don't know who the f*** he even is, hell that he's even a wrestler at this point. The Rosa /Nyla cake spot and how if that had been done on NXT all we'd be talking about is how WWE is f***ing stupid and making people look terrible. I personally think it's kinda sad that in the era we live in we can't expect fans to watch a couple youtube videos to see if they like someone..nope.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 18:20:17 GMT -5
I just find it funny that he said he noticed it today. It's been this way for years. Granted, it's not all the pro-AEW fans but it's noticeable, even on this forum. Criticism is valid. And no, that doesn't mean WWE doesn't have extremist fans either because they surely have some as well. I mean I saw somebody trying to defend Charlotte's latest reign even when she said she's not proud of some of her own stuff. It's just that a lot of pro-WWE fans are more quiet these days and the pro-AEW extremists are more vocal so in turn it's a bit more noticeable when you got people trying to defend certain stuff, even in that "AEW black main eventers thread." At the end of the day AEW is like Ye album. Shit's poppin. If something's hot in the streets you'll see more positive comments than negative and in turn when you mention the negative you'll have more defenders.
But yeah, it's not new. We on this forum know this. We need to get a respectable area to where everyone on all sides of the forum can say they like/dislike something without there being an issue. Last I checked it's a forum and last I checked we all got an opinion. As long as you're honest and not hate-filled, I'll respect it even if I might disagree with it.
It's all love.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 17, 2022 18:20:24 GMT -5
I really like AEW, but he is not wrong here.
It’s funny he brought up Cora Jade as an example to compare to the Rosa thing because in fact there was a similar thing that NXT did with her awhile back that I did not like.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:23:20 GMT -5
I just find it funny that he said he noticed it today. It's been this way for years. Granted, it's not all the pro-AEW fans but it's noticeable, even on this forum. Criticism is valid. And no, that doesn't mean WWE doesn't have extremist fans either because they surely have some as well. I mean I saw somebody trying to defend Charlotte's latest reign even when she said she's not proud of some of her own stuff. It's just that a lot of pro-WWE fans are more quiet these days and the pro-AEW extremists are more vocal so in turn it's a bit more noticeable when you got people trying to defend certain stuff, even in that "AEW black main eventers thread." At the end of the day AEW these is like Ye album. Shit's poppin. But yeah, it's not new. We on this forum know this. The tribalism shit of it gets really old, I like AEW as a whole better but both sides have fans that just get on my nerves. Maybe I'm not a typical fan but anyone that's interested in Danhausen can figure out who he is within 10 minutes on youtube, I think sometimes it's forgotten how easy stuff like that is to use.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 17, 2022 18:23:38 GMT -5
I do think people can be defensive. Some of it is since it's new, people are protective, but also, there can be some EXCEEDINGLY obvious bad faith players criticizing AEW sometimes, and then it all gets swept in with that, which really isn't fair to people who have genuine criticisms.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 17, 2022 18:25:03 GMT -5
I just find it funny that he said he noticed it today. It's been this way for years. Granted, it's not all the pro-AEW fans but it's noticeable, even on this forum. Criticism is valid. And no, that doesn't mean WWE doesn't have extremist fans either because they surely have some as well. I mean I saw somebody trying to defend Charlotte's latest reign even when she said she's not proud of some of her own stuff. It's just that a lot of pro-WWE fans are more quiet these days and the pro-AEW extremists are more vocal so in turn it's a bit more noticeable when you got people trying to defend certain stuff, even in that "AEW black main eventers thread." At the end of the day AEW these is like Ye album. Shit's poppin. But yeah, it's not new. We on this forum know this. The tribalism shit of it gets really old, I like AEW as a whole better but both sides have fans that just get on my nerves. Maybe I'm not a typical fan but anyone that's interested in Danhausen can figure out who he is within 10 minutes on youtube, I think sometimes it's forgotten how easy stuff like that is to use. Some people just want to watch a wrestling TV show. They don’t want to do extra homework to understand stuff. What harm would there be to give him 60 seconds here or their to talk and/or give more context to his character?
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:25:18 GMT -5
I do think people can be defensive. Some of it is since it's new, people are protective, but also, there can be some EXCEEDINGLY obvious bad faith players criticizing AEW sometimes, and then it all gets swept in with that, which really isn't fair to people who have genuine criticisms. Are you talking about the twitter edrones?
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:26:02 GMT -5
The tribalism shit of it gets really old, I like AEW as a whole better but both sides have fans that just get on my nerves. Maybe I'm not a typical fan but anyone that's interested in Danhausen can figure out who he is within 10 minutes on youtube, I think sometimes it's forgotten how easy stuff like that is to use. Some people just want to watch a wrestling TV show. They don’t want to do extra homework to understand stuff. What harm would there be to give him 60 seconds here or their to talk and/or give more context to his character? I get that point I do..but at the same time watching something on youtube is the easiest shit ever nowdays.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2022 18:26:58 GMT -5
He has what on both sides of the Stan wat ,nothing new.
regarding danhausen I never really e watched much at him besides the catchphrase and a couple in ring gifs and I had no issue getting the gemmick.But it could be exposed better
also let's not start a shit war he obviously didn't call out the AEW fan base he called out the. Pro AEW stans
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2022 18:30:10 GMT -5
I do think people can be defensive. Some of it is since it's new, people are protective, but also, there can be some EXCEEDINGLY obvious bad faith players criticizing AEW sometimes, and then it all gets swept in with that, which really isn't fair to people who have genuine criticisms. I can admit at the very start it was really bad and found myself being overprotective because there was A LOT more of people being bad faith and hoping it would fail. since then I chilled a little. there is still some bad faith actors but usually there is no use arguing
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 17, 2022 18:30:40 GMT -5
Valid criticism is one thing.
Trolling masked as criticism is another.
Sadly a lotta people can’t differentiate between the two, so Alvarez (and others) point to it for clicks and clout because…reasons.
Eh. Whatever.
I don’t feel the need to compulsively defend AEW (here or elsewhere) and genuinely don’t give a flying f*** if anyone else likes the company because I enjoy the shit out of it.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2022 18:31:38 GMT -5
I do think people can be defensive. Some of it is since it's new, people are protective, but also, there can be some EXCEEDINGLY obvious bad faith players criticizing AEW sometimes, and then it all gets swept in with that, which really isn't fair to people who have genuine criticisms. Are you talking about the twitter edrones? You will find a couple even here still. they pop up some time ,mainly when there is some bad segment to overblow or just acting like jerks ,which also doesn't help the people with the legit critics.And on Reddit too and I bet Alvarez own chat
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Apr 17, 2022 18:32:17 GMT -5
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Post by Jacy Derangement Syndrome on Apr 17, 2022 18:33:26 GMT -5
He's gonna start calling dudes out on air again like the one dude on the F4W boards that constantly gave him grief about his TNA reviews. I forget his name but he's mentioned so much in old Bryan & Vinny stuff that he's like a side character.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Apr 17, 2022 18:35:16 GMT -5
Are you talking about the twitter edrones? You will find a couple even here still. they pop up some time ,mainly when there is some bad segment to overblow or just acting like jerks ,which also doesn't help the people with the legit critics.And on Reddit too and I bet Alvarez own chat This is half the reason we have a stickied thread at the top of this very board and a collection of mods ready to come flying in like Thor entering Wakanda….
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:35:26 GMT -5
Are you talking about the twitter edrones? You will find a couple even here still. they pop up some time ,mainly when there is some bad segment to overblow or just acting like jerks ,which also doesn't help the people with the legit critics No wrestling show will ever be perfect, even in the best era ever, there were some really terrible segments. It's fine to admit that, I don't understand the tribalism, especially from the WWE side, some people act like another company even existing is like someone tried to assault their mother, I don't understand.
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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 18:36:35 GMT -5
He's gonna start calling dudes out on air again like the one dude on the F4W boards that constantly gave him grief about his TNA reviews. I forget his name but he's mentioned so much in old Bryan & Vinny stuff that he's like a side character. I use to laugh at that pretty hard, that dude was basically wrestling community famous for a bit.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 17, 2022 18:36:54 GMT -5
Pro wrestling as a whole has been faithfully following the playbook for a geek franchise on the downswing for years now. New fans aren't being made, the only way the existing product can keep drumming up interest out of the remaining fanbase is to grow increasingly insular and self-referential, the dwindling collection of diehards left consuming the product consequently get increasingly possessive of the hollowed-out shell that's remaining as their personal safe space, and actively scare off anybody left who isn't as monomaniacally invested, magnifying their voices further.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2022 18:37:26 GMT -5
You will find a couple even here still. they pop up some time ,mainly when there is some bad segment to overblow or just acting like jerks ,which also doesn't help the people with the legit critics No wrestling show will ever be perfect, even in the best era ever, there were some really terrible segments. It's fine to admit that, I don't understand the tribalism, especially from the WWE side, some people act like another company even existing is like someone tried to assault their mother, I don't understand. The scientific explanation is both that tribalism Is a survival tool that helped us survive and that people are easy to associate their own identity to a brand or thing they like they feel "lesser" if thing they like is 'worse". but yes it's stupid
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 18:39:18 GMT -5
I just find it funny that he said he noticed it today. It's been this way for years. Granted, it's not all the pro-AEW fans but it's noticeable, even on this forum. Criticism is valid. And no, that doesn't mean WWE doesn't have extremist fans either because they surely have some as well. I mean I saw somebody trying to defend Charlotte's latest reign even when she said she's not proud of some of her own stuff. It's just that a lot of pro-WWE fans are more quiet these days and the pro-AEW extremists are more vocal so in turn it's a bit more noticeable when you got people trying to defend certain stuff, even in that "AEW black main eventers thread." At the end of the day AEW these is like Ye album. Shit's poppin. But yeah, it's not new. We on this forum know this. The tribalism shit of it gets really old, I like AEW as a whole better but both sides have fans that just get on my nerves. Maybe I'm not a typical fan but anyone that's interested in Danhausen can figure out who he is within 10 minutes on youtube, I think sometimes it's forgotten how easy stuff like that is to use. Yeah it's sad. These wrestlers themselves have best friends in the other company, no need for tribalism. Nobody's working for Vince or Tony last I checked. I just press that "ignore" and I'm good these days. I found out who Danhausen after he blew up that one month last year. I don't know what caused him to blow up, I don't know why but there was that one month where you couldn't escape him and I was just curious and looked his stuff up through Youtube. He just sort of came out of nowhere to me and all of a sudden he was on everything.
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