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Post by Mecca on Apr 17, 2022 21:07:47 GMT -5
I really like AEW, but he is not wrong here. It’s funny he brought up Cora Jade as an example to compare to the Rosa thing because in fact there was a similar thing that NXT did with her awhile back that I did not like. Toni storm got caked in the face and she was “ruined” The difference in that though was Nyla actually looked fine after it, even winning the confrontation where Toni who was the face just stood there like a putz.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2022 21:11:32 GMT -5
I really like AEW, but he is not wrong here. It’s funny he brought up Cora Jade as an example to compare to the Rosa thing because in fact there was a similar thing that NXT did with her awhile back that I did not like. Toni storm got caked in the face and she was “ruined” Well in that case, she was, she got pied twice, didn't fight back, and then jobbed to Charlotte, and she got so fed up she quit, and she almost quit wrestling... (Should be noted that even before this her booking was terrible, but this was the first time in WWE they even TRIED to do anything with her)
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Post by Cyno on Apr 17, 2022 21:31:04 GMT -5
The defensiveness didn't manifest on its own. It's reactionary to and was created in the toxic crucible that is wrestling discourse on social media.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Apr 17, 2022 21:32:44 GMT -5
Toni storm got caked in the face and she was “ruined” Well in that case, she was, she got pied twice, didn't fight back, and then jobbed to Charlotte, and she got so fed up she quit, and she almost quit wrestling... (Should be noted that even before this her booking was terrible, but this was the first time in WWE they even TRIED to do anything with her) She should have replied like Nyla “Jokes on you bitch, I love cake!” Is gold haha
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2022 21:34:30 GMT -5
Well in that case, she was, she got pied twice, didn't fight back, and then jobbed to Charlotte, and she got so fed up she quit, and she almost quit wrestling... (Should be noted that even before this her booking was terrible, but this was the first time in WWE they even TRIED to do anything with her) She should have replied like Nyla “Jokes on you bitch, I love cake!” Is gold haha Toni doing literally anything else but looking like she was about to cry and standing there taking a pie twice to the face would have been better But yes in Nyla's case, the hoss woman getting infuriated and bulling Rosa into a crate, didn't really seem very out of pocket for me, I thought Bryan got overly mad at it, but people telling him that is what also set him off lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2022 21:39:17 GMT -5
The defensiveness didn't manifest on its own. It's reactionary to and was created in the toxic crucible that is wrestling discourse on social media. This is also my point, and then people who defend AEW points in good faith get lumped in with the bad faith, and stuff like this doesn't exactly help Bryan is correct, but he'd have been correct if this was a WWE related thing too, like AEW having staunch defenders just isn't new, but there have been a ton of concern troll and bad faith posters out there that make people this defensive of the product because it's so hard to tell who is simply laying a criticism and who is casting a lure and snickering at who takes the time to bite, it's very tedious and why I limit my wrestling conversations a lot, I feel it's only gotten worse over time too in some regards, especially with a ton of people realizing AEW is very much here to stay no matter what they do or say, so they just try and keep the fighting going and make it a routine, and that's really friggen creepy in itself.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 17, 2022 23:22:22 GMT -5
I really like AEW, but he is not wrong here. It’s funny he brought up Cora Jade as an example to compare to the Rosa thing because in fact there was a similar thing that NXT did with her awhile back that I did not like. Toni storm got caked in the face and she was “ruined” And people justly crapped on that as well. AEW does not get a pass for making Rosa look bad just because they’re AEW.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 17, 2022 23:39:27 GMT -5
Toni storm got caked in the face and she was “ruined” And people justly crapped on that as well. AEW does not get a pass for making Rosa look bad just because they’re AEW. It's subjective, though, like a lot of people even in this thread didn't think Rosa looked bad in the segment, me included, and enjoyed the segment. It was also like a minute long segment Toni Storm's felt like it went on for five years, and it happened in ring. She got flat out embarrassed. Rosa won her title match a few days later and still humiliated Nyla for thinking her stupid. It's not the same.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 17, 2022 23:44:49 GMT -5
I don't watch WWE so I really have no opinion about that Toni Storm-Charlotte segment one way or another, but I thought the one with Rosa and Nyla was alright? Like, nothing great, but nothing particularly bad either. Nyla's line about loving cake was funny, though.
The only thing outright bad was Vickie doing the green card shit that first week. And Rosa not being as omnipresent as Britt was, though AEW seems to take a page out of the Crockett playbook where the faces are much better at chasing the championship than being the champion. Like Hangman Page and Jurassic Express aren't as visible as champions compared to Omega and the Bucks either.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 17, 2022 23:49:15 GMT -5
I just find it funny that he said he noticed it today. It's been this way for years. Granted, it's not all the pro-AEW fans but it's noticeable, even on this forum. Criticism is valid. And no, that doesn't mean WWE doesn't have extremist fans either because they surely have some as well. I mean I saw somebody trying to defend Charlotte's latest reign even when she said she's not proud of some of her own stuff. It's just that a lot of pro-WWE fans are more quiet these days and the pro-AEW extremists are more vocal so in turn it's a bit more noticeable when you got people trying to defend certain stuff, even in that "AEW black main eventers thread." At the end of the day AEW is like Ye album. Shit's poppin. If something's hot in the streets you'll see more positive comments than negative and in turn when you mention the negative you'll have more defenders. But yeah, it's not new. We on this forum know this. We need to get a respectable area to where everyone on all sides of the forum can say they like/dislike something without there being an issue. Last I checked it's a forum and last I checked we all got an opinion. As long as you're honest and not hate-filled, I'll respect it even if I might disagree with it. It's all love. Said everything I wanted to say
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Post by Dub H on Apr 17, 2022 23:49:19 GMT -5
I really dont have strong opinions about the Nyla vs Rosa because Britt's reign completely killed my interest in the womens title . But I enjoy more Nyla
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Post by smokinvokoun86 on Apr 18, 2022 1:25:02 GMT -5
There is a part of me that really gets almost deflated trying to watch these shows with fans. I think being on these kinds of forums and places like Reddit can do that. I realize the toxicity of it all. It’s not just wrestling, but it can be bad. It’s why I can’t be in the show threads anymore.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Apr 18, 2022 4:14:14 GMT -5
The defensiveness didn't manifest on its own. It's reactionary to and was created in the toxic crucible that is wrestling discourse on social media. This is also my point, and then people who defend AEW points in good faith get lumped in with the bad faith, and stuff like this doesn't exactly help Bryan is correct, but he'd have been correct if this was a WWE related thing too, like AEW having staunch defenders just isn't new, but there have been a ton of concern troll and bad faith posters out there that make people this defensive of the product because it's so hard to tell who is simply laying a criticism and who is casting a lure and snickering at who takes the time to bite, it's very tedious and why I limit my wrestling conversations a lot, I feel it's only gotten worse over time too in some regards, especially with a ton of people realizing AEW is very much here to stay no matter what they do or say, so they just try and keep the fighting going and make it a routine, and that's really friggen creepy in itself. I think this is part of the problem though, right? Way too much time is spent diving into people's motivations, and whether their criticism is legitimate or can be written off as being trolling or whatever. And that's what tends to derail AEW threads. Like, you yourself are one of the most active people in those kinds of threads, usually pointing out the positives for AEW. On the WWE board, the majority of what you post is overwhelmingly negative. But I don't think you would consider that to be in bad faith - you just happen to enjoy one show and not enjoy another and here are your takes. Basically, people should take any arguments made on here at face value and discuss them as such, or just ignore it and move on.
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Post by thehottag on Apr 18, 2022 5:01:30 GMT -5
Woah. Woah. WOAH. Hang on now.
Someone actually enjoyed that cake segment?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 18, 2022 5:23:47 GMT -5
Woah. Woah. WOAH. Hang on now. Someone actually enjoyed that cake segment? Yes, they did, and it's ok if they did, my friend enjoyed it too. I'm honestly shocked at how some people HATED it, myself, it's how it is sometimes.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 18, 2022 5:32:29 GMT -5
This is also my point, and then people who defend AEW points in good faith get lumped in with the bad faith, and stuff like this doesn't exactly help Bryan is correct, but he'd have been correct if this was a WWE related thing too, like AEW having staunch defenders just isn't new, but there have been a ton of concern troll and bad faith posters out there that make people this defensive of the product because it's so hard to tell who is simply laying a criticism and who is casting a lure and snickering at who takes the time to bite, it's very tedious and why I limit my wrestling conversations a lot, I feel it's only gotten worse over time too in some regards, especially with a ton of people realizing AEW is very much here to stay no matter what they do or say, so they just try and keep the fighting going and make it a routine, and that's really friggen creepy in itself. I think this is part of the problem though, right? Way too much time is spent diving into people's motivations, and whether their criticism is legitimate or can be written off as being trolling or whatever. And that's what tends to derail AEW threads. Like, you yourself are one of the most active people in those kinds of threads, usually pointing out the positives for AEW. On the WWE board, the majority of what you post is overwhelmingly negative. But I don't think you would consider that to be in bad faith - you just happen to enjoy one show and not enjoy another and here are your takes. Basically, people should take any arguments made on here at face value and discuss them as such, or just ignore it and move on. Yes it's part of the issue, but the issue does stem from this stuff, so much so you can read the pinned post and find out just how common it actually still tends to be even on FAN itself Taking stuff at face value I do agree should be something done more often and ignoring stuff is something I think we're trying to do more as a whole on the Boards to mediate these issues, and there are plenty of negative takes that are legitimate across both boards, but the whole bad faith and concern trolling issues? They're rampant enough to warrant stuff like that, and it's why people have even dove into those motivations in the first place, and it's not fair to posters who have legitimate criticisms either, tbh, that others have done that and burned the Board let alone other places online as well from it too.
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Post by Bo Rida on Apr 18, 2022 5:58:47 GMT -5
The cake segment was awful, ftr bought it into the ring and the other teams just ate it, the cake has to go in a heel's face, it's tradition. Oh the recent one?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 18, 2022 6:12:00 GMT -5
The cake segment would have been fine if it ended with Nyla getting cake in thrbface but yeah it went too long... but I also think Nyla and Vickie are ice cold as an act and most just weren't interested in her vs Rosa.
As for thr Danhausen stuff? I can see the point there but they did the same thing with Orange Cassidy and OC got over huge.
The tribalism thing is valid as there are those that do white knight AEW however there are those that do bait people into arguments as well.
Also anybody who thinks Bryan isn't having fun with thr content doesn't pay enough attention
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 18, 2022 6:16:56 GMT -5
I don’t care how people feel about AEW or any company, really. AEW’s not going away anytime soon. It’s a moot point.
As long as I’m not being branded as a morally wrong person for still enjoying WWE as well because of the EVIL DARK LORD VINCE, I’m happy.
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Apr 18, 2022 6:18:10 GMT -5
Yeah, all this time I thought Danhausen was just some random fan(hausen) who kept sneaking past security and making it on the show week after week, how the hell do they expect me to follow along with what's happening!??!
But seriously, if you want to argue he should get more mic time in general I'm on board (they should have him start doing commentary during Hook's matches since they seem to be setting something up with the 2 of them) but the idea he needs an "Explanation" always seemed odd to me.
Speaking of things that actually DO need an explanation, They need to start doing 30-60 second intro packages on some of the bigger names they bring in from Japan or Indies (when it makes sense) and show them before their in ring debuts
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