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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 23, 2022 14:30:22 GMT -5
Long term doesn't necessarily mean good, and if the story itself isn't good then stretching it out doesn't make it good either. AEW has a tendency to stretch all of their stories out even the good ones seem to kinda stall in the middle, how long did they tease Wardlow's dissent before finally getting on with it? It felt like it was an entire year... they pulled it off fantastically but they didn't need to do the dissension tease for nearly as long as they did. Another example, Cody / MJF did have a pretty stellar build... for the last month or so. Everyone kind of just forgets that two months before Cody's trials where nothing happened.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2022 15:04:01 GMT -5
AEW has a tendency to stretch all of their stories out even the good ones seem to kinda stall in the middle, how long did they tease Wardlow's dissent before finally getting on with it? It felt like it was an entire year... they pulled it off fantastically but they didn't need to do the dissension tease for nearly as long as they did. Another example, Cody / MJF did have a pretty stellar build... for the last month or so. Everyone kind of just forgets that two months before Cody's trials where nothing happened. MJF/Jericho stretched a long while as well
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 23, 2022 15:10:06 GMT -5
Another example, Cody / MJF did have a pretty stellar build... for the last month or so. Everyone kind of just forgets that two months before Cody's trials where nothing happened. MJF/Jericho stretched a long while as well It's incredible to me that that shit dragged on for an entire year and about the only worthwhile things that came from it were the musical number, Blood & Guts, and Shawn Spears in the chair dimension.
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Post by Fade on Apr 23, 2022 16:06:10 GMT -5
Long term doesn't necessarily mean good, and if the story itself isn't good then stretching it out doesn't make it good either. AEW has a tendency to stretch all of their stories out even the good ones seem to kinda stall in the middle, how long did they tease Wardlow's dissent before finally getting on with it? It felt like it was an entire year... they pulled it off fantastically but they didn't need to do the dissension tease for nearly as long as they did. ..not to beat a dead horse but the same could be said for Hook/Danhausen. It treaded water for a while and then got interesting as it kicked into high gear. It’s a cyclical thing with AEW and I’m assuming it’s due to the PPV format but it gets frustrating and tedious nonetheless.
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Post by markymark on Apr 23, 2022 17:42:20 GMT -5
AEW has a tendency to stretch all of their stories out even the good ones seem to kinda stall in the middle, how long did they tease Wardlow's dissent before finally getting on with it? It felt like it was an entire year... they pulled it off fantastically but they didn't need to do the dissension tease for nearly as long as they did. ..not to beat a dead horse but the same could be said for Hook/Danhausen. It treaded water for a while and then got interesting as it kicked into high gear. It’s a cyclical thing with AEW and I’m assuming it’s due to the PPV format but it gets frustrating and tedious nonetheless.
Didnt that feud started 1 month ago? HOOK vs QT is a better example of a feud that dragged on imo
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Apr 23, 2022 18:00:17 GMT -5
..not to beat a dead horse but the same could be said for Hook/Danhausen. It treaded water for a while and then got interesting as it kicked into high gear. It’s a cyclical thing with AEW and I’m assuming it’s due to the PPV format but it gets frustrating and tedious nonetheless.
Didnt that feud started 1 month ago? HOOK vs QT is a better example of a feud that dragged on imo
HOOK vs QT dragged on? That shit lasted like... a month and a half, HOOK was mainly killing people until QT actually started trying throwing the Factory and then himself at him, it ended a week after the PPV when HOOK smashed Solo into the award and we moved into the Danhausen one. Malakai/Fuego has only been going on a few weeks as well, and I mean we've gotten some really good matches and crowd reaction for Fuego out of it.
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Post by Fade on Apr 23, 2022 18:31:39 GMT -5
..not to beat a dead horse but the same could be said for Hook/Danhausen. It treaded water for a while and then got interesting as it kicked into high gear. It’s a cyclical thing with AEW and I’m assuming it’s due to the PPV format but it gets frustrating and tedious nonetheless. Didnt that feud started 1 month ago? HOOK vs QT is a better example of a feud that dragged on imo
I guess cjb clarified it but it’s relative af in AEW. Some stuff that drags feels like an eternity.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 23, 2022 18:51:32 GMT -5
In general, I think sinister dark characters in wrestling have the reverse ninja thing going where they're badass as loners and become steadily less threatening the more partners they have.
Murphy brings nothing to the table except for the need to keep filling the toybox with shiny new toys. Brody King is good, but Malakai still feels like so much less with muscle backing him up than when he was just going out kicking people out on his own.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Apr 23, 2022 19:48:50 GMT -5
Willing to give it a bit more time since injuries have scuttled plans but it does feel like he should have set his sights on the TNT or World title by now. A supernatural group can exist but their interests at some point do have to become material.
I did enjoy him way better as NXT Aleister Black. He was one of the coolest guys in wrestling from 2017-2018.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Apr 23, 2022 20:01:00 GMT -5
From what I've seen in clips adding Buddy Murphy was a huge mistake. I get why he's there from a lore standpoint, but he sticks out like a sore thumb, and doesn't fit the groups vibe. It's dragging the act down. And Julia is still around somewhere maybe? Yes? Is she still wearing an eye patch? She's female and not Britt or Jade so maybe TK forgot about her...
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Post by Fade on Apr 23, 2022 21:22:00 GMT -5
From what I've seen in clips adding Buddy Murphy was a huge mistake. I get why he's there from a lore standpoint, but he sticks out like a sore thumb, and doesn't fit the groups vibe. It's dragging the act down. And Julia is still around somewhere maybe? Yes? Is she still wearing an eye patch? She's female and not Britt or Jade so maybe TK forgot about her... The crowd initially popped thinking they’d be adversaries due to that same lore. Can’t help but to think they should have gone in that direction building towards him joining..or not! What kills me about the HOB is there’s no dynamic to the relationships. It’s just waxing philosophical “darkness”. Something as small as Buddy being gaslit or manipulated to remain in the stable by Black (and enforced by Brody) would go a long way, I think.
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 23, 2022 21:41:21 GMT -5
From what I've seen in clips adding Buddy Murphy was a huge mistake. I get why he's there from a lore standpoint, but he sticks out like a sore thumb, and doesn't fit the groups vibe. It's dragging the act down. And Julia is still around somewhere maybe? Yes? Is she still wearing an eye patch? She's female and not Britt or Jade so maybe TK forgot about her... The crowd initially popped thinking they’d be adversaries due to that same lore. Can’t help but to think they should have gone in that direction building towards him joining..or not! What kills me about the HOB is there’s no dynamic to the relationships. It’s just waxing philosophical “darkness”. Something as small as Buddy being gaslit or manipulated to remain in the stable by Black (and enforced by Brody) would go a long way, I think.
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Post by Blade on Apr 23, 2022 21:47:28 GMT -5
I think Buddy fits fine, but I had no preexisting viewpoint towards him. Besides, wasn't one of the big complaints about Bray Wyatt that he never actually corrupted anybody? Although, of course, it's not like Malakai has corrupted any current roster members, though Julia is presumably (excruciatingly slowly) headed in that direction.
I think creepy stuff like the HoB has a definite place in wrestling, but it needs to be handled carefully. They can't lose too much or their lose their aura (and I think HoB has managed that; nobody would be TOO shocked if he was a challenger to Hangman or Punk). And an aura of mystery is fine - people loved Undertaker even though they basically made up his mythology as they went along, the urn was a total mystery forever beyond "it gives him power somehow".
The biggest problem with HoB is probably just that they're faffing around rather than feeling like they have a real direction. This feud with Fuego is more about him than them. Give them a goal they clearly want to accomplish and send them in that direction, not just murking lowcarders because they happen to be there.
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Post by xCompackx on Apr 24, 2022 9:47:29 GMT -5
I think the slow nature of storyline progression isn't helped by the fact there's literally only 3 hours of televised time per week. That's not AEW's fault; it's how the company is structured right now as far as television deals and touring. But it's tough to follow up on advancing every storyline at the same pace when you're trying to decide what to focus on every single week.
But I dunno, I like House of Black. Yeah, I wish they'd get to the point with Julia and Malakai should be right up there as far as feuds, but they definitely have a presence so I'm sure they'll be fine. Maybe get those Trios titles going?
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Post by Hypnosis on Apr 24, 2022 9:54:06 GMT -5
I think the slow nature of storyline progression isn't helped by the fact there's literally only 3 hours of televised time per week. That's not AEW's fault; it's how the company is structured right now as far as television deals and touring. But it's tough to follow up on advancing every storyline at the same pace when you're trying to decide what to focus on every single week. But I dunno, I like House of Black. Yeah, I wish they'd get to the point with Julia and Malakai should be right up there as far as feuds, but they definitely have a presence so I'm sure they'll be fine. Maybe get those Trios titles going? I've been wanting House of Black vs. Jurassic Express for the Tag titles.
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Post by markymark on Apr 24, 2022 14:14:05 GMT -5
I think Buddy fits fine, but I had no preexisting viewpoint towards him. Besides, wasn't one of the big complaints about Bray Wyatt that he never actually corrupted anybody? Although, of course, it's not like Malakai has corrupted any current roster members, though Julia is presumably (excruciatingly slowly) headed in that direction.I think creepy stuff like the HoB has a definite place in wrestling, but it needs to be handled carefully. They can't lose too much or their lose their aura (and I think HoB has managed that; nobody would be TOO shocked if he was a challenger to Hangman or Punk). And an aura of mystery is fine - people loved Undertaker even though they basically made up his mythology as they went along, the urn was a total mystery forever beyond "it gives him power somehow". The biggest problem with HoB is probably just that they're faffing around rather than feeling like they have a real direction. This feud with Fuego is more about him than them. Give them a goal they clearly want to accomplish and send them in that direction, not just murking lowcarders because they happen to be there.
In kayfabe he sent Cody to WWE, Redbeard to CYN, turned Penta into Penta Oscuro, didnt work on Pac because he is already a bastard lol
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on May 5, 2022 5:17:15 GMT -5
Wasn’t sure which thread to put this in but with it being House of Black caused I figured I’d put it here.
After yesterday’s angle, anyone else want Malakai’s influence on Julia to be she should leave Pillman and stay with Griff? That’s why she was so conflicted last night. If it was Pillman on the floor she would have nailed him with the chair.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 5, 2022 5:32:21 GMT -5
Wasn’t sure which thread to put this in but with it being House of Black caused I figured I’d put it here. After yesterday’s angle, anyone else want Malakai’s influence on Julia to be she should leave Pillman and stay with Griff? That’s why she was so conflicted last night. If it was Pillman on the floor she would have nailed him with the chair. I actually would be way down for Griff joining House of Black with Julia and Pillman being left out in the dust because it's felt like he's turning into the blowhard of the group. Being honest Pillman either needs more seasoning or he might be one of the ones whose contract is left to run out... he's not exactly taken his bag and run with it and he's gotten a lot of opportunities including main events and big time matches with MJF, the last few months have felt like a severe regression on his part (A lot of personal shit happened being fair to him there) while Griff's looking great and quickly improving. You can get Griff in the group, make it four, have Griff/Brodie/Buddy fight as the Trio/Go for Trios belts in the future and Malakai could go for a Singles title with this configuration as well.
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Post by "Sweet & Sour" ImSoFudginGreat on May 5, 2022 5:37:06 GMT -5
Wasn’t sure which thread to put this in but with it being House of Black caused I figured I’d put it here. After yesterday’s angle, anyone else want Malakai’s influence on Julia to be she should leave Pillman and stay with Griff? That’s why she was so conflicted last night. If it was Pillman on the floor she would have nailed him with the chair. I actually would be way down for Griff joining House of Black with Julia and Pillman being left out in the dust because it's felt like he's turning into the blowhard of the group. Being honest Pillman either needs more seasoning or he might be one of the ones whose contract is left to run out... he's not exactly taken his bag and run with it and he's gotten a lot of opportunities including main events and big time matches with MJF, the last few months have felt like a severe regression on his part (A lot of personal shit happened being fair to him there) while Griff's looking great and quickly improving. You can get Griff in the group, make it four, have Griff/Brodie/Buddy fight as the Trio/Go for Trios belts in the future and Malakai could go for a Singles title with this configuration as well. I’m sure they could make that work. Julia should go with Griff though, maybe as a ‘goth gf”. Main point, Griff deserves better.
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Post by Heartbreaker on May 5, 2022 6:22:11 GMT -5
At this rate I expect Julia to finally join House of Black in December.
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