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Post by Tea & Crumpets on May 13, 2022 5:24:14 GMT -5
Brodie King is totally wrong though. They didn't make 20 movies to build to Endgame, the movies were designed to be compelling stories in their own right. Had Marvel made boring movie after boring movie, promising there would be easter eggs to look back on in the end, they'd have never made it so far as Endgame. Also, even the biggest fans of the MCU tend to knock the movies that missed the mark. Thor 2 set up an infinity stone, sure it's essential to the arc, but it completely sucks and everyone knows it. It's not made better in hindsight by the gem coming back or even by Ragnarok. AEW has this odd attitude sometimes (which I didn't notice as much in the early days) of relying so much on the fans' dedication and goodwill that it's like they expect them to do the storytelling for them on bits that don't land. Not a major problem but sometimes it looks that way to me. As for House of Black....eh. I've never been huge on Black, his NXT face run and team with Ricochet was probably the most I've liked him and he's solid in ring but as a character he's never connected. Bland or Kicky McDarksoul. My partner has only seen his AEW work and unprompted calls him Edgy McEdgelord, because he's coming across very tryhard. I know he's vaguely into cults and conspiracies from some interviews and his AMA but he's just....really naff. AEW has had a whole lot of dark spooky spook groups, and the only one that worked for me was Dark Order when they were doing their illuminati/Scientology recruitment videos and website, it was a genuine fresh take and real life tragedy meant we never got to see it fulfilled. Wrestling in general has always had these sorts of gimmicks going back to Kevin Sullivan and probably earlier, but it's a very difficult gimmick to land effectively and very easy to land in corny territory. Doesn't help either that you have an ultra serious I'M SO EVIL I WILL CORRUPT YOUR SOUL SOMETHING SOMETHING GOD IS DEAD stable, at the same time as Danhausen basically being a parody gimmick. Just my opinion but it dilutes both. I don't know how you book Black in honesty, for all his in ring talent. Possibly just make him obscenely Dutch, kickboxing atheist hipster vegetarian who aggressively enforces a live and let live lifestyle. We've had enough spooky gimmicks in wrestling, play up the real guy more
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on May 13, 2022 16:12:16 GMT -5
I don't know how you book Black in honesty, for all his in ring talent. Possibly just make him obscenely Dutch, kickboxing atheist hipster vegetarian who aggressively enforces a live and let live lifestyle. We've had enough spooky gimmicks in wrestling, play up the real guy more Don't forget about the cats!
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on May 13, 2022 21:58:07 GMT -5
Yeah man. To say I’m not feeling the storyline is an understatement to say the least.
I’m getting tired of wrestlers complaining about fans not being patient or not getting what they’re doing. f***ing, show me why this doesn’t suck, don’t tell me.
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Post by oxbaker on May 13, 2022 22:17:48 GMT -5
Kind of ironic: the key words in Brodie’s MCU analogy is “but they get you invested” — if you are invested, you’re following along the story and enjoying it as it goes and things all come together and you’re more invested. Part of the investment is you might not see the *whole* endgame but … you know there is one and you see pieces coming together. Most of HoB for like six months now is just playing the same promo/sequence on a loop with long hits of the pause button in between. That doesn’t get me invested. Those MCU movies (and as noted by another poster, the bad ones get panned) all moved the story along in different ways while also entertaining so you DID get invested. If Endgame never happened, or didn’t happen well, I would still have enjoyed Civil War and Winter Soldiers and may of the others because they were good storytelling.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 13, 2022 22:26:08 GMT -5
This whole thing's kind of a perfect storm of, "Why should I care?" for me. Like, I don't know who the hell Julia Hart is, she's only had one match on Dynamite since July. Pillman is terrible at all aspects of his job and seems like a total asshole offscreen. Griff Garrison exists. Malakai be it in AEW or WWE has always been at his most boring when he's talking and that's all he seems to do anymore, and I never liked the idea of him being in a tag team even when he and Ricochet were putting on great matches together. Brody King's just some guy with bad tattoos who appeared one day and seems like at best like the seventh best big man in the company. Never really seen the appeal of Buddy Matthews anyway and he's extremely miscast as some dark and spooky cultist. Think the whole idea of keeping continuity with that stupid eye injury thing in WWE is dumb enough to begin with without even bringing into it that the dude who f***ing did it is presently serving as Malakai's henchman.
Like, nothing about this works. Why would I care what the endgame is?
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Post by hentery on May 14, 2022 7:22:28 GMT -5
I don’t get it. Vague cryptic promos, meh ring work. Simultaneously feuding with 3-4 teams one of which are jobbers to the stars. No one is being elevated, no one is being showcased. All the promos kinda sound the same, the angles they’re in never really get any heat behind them. As for pillman and Garrison, they’ve been jobbing so hard I don’t care. Kinda like butcher and the blade.
The whole Julia hart thing has been needlessly stretched out to the point where I’m confused as to how having most shot above her head infected her eye. Kinda like that time that malakai misted Cody’s chin. If you want to be spoopy and mysterious at least make sure you hit your makes.
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Post by markymark on May 14, 2022 7:31:40 GMT -5
I don’t get it. Vague cryptic promos, meh ring work. Simultaneously feuding with 3-4 teams one of which are jobbers to the stars. No one is being elevated, no one is being showcased. All the promos kinda sound the same, the angles they’re in never really get any heat behind them. As for pillman and Garrison, they’ve been jobbing so hard I don’t care. Kinda like butcher and the blade. The whole Julia hart thing has been needlessly stretched out to the point where I’m confused as to how having most shot above her head infected her eye. Kinda like that time that malakai misted Cody’s chin. If you want to be spoopy and mysterious at least make sure you hit your makes. I guess you never watched the Revolution buyin match...
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Post by polarbearpete on May 14, 2022 8:44:03 GMT -5
I don’t get it. Vague cryptic promos, meh ring work. Simultaneously feuding with 3-4 teams one of which are jobbers to the stars. No one is being elevated, no one is being showcased. All the promos kinda sound the same, the angles they’re in never really get any heat behind them. As for pillman and Garrison, they’ve been jobbing so hard I don’t care. Kinda like butcher and the blade. The whole Julia hart thing has been needlessly stretched out to the point where I’m confused as to how having most shot above her head infected her eye. Kinda like that time that malakai misted Cody’s chin. If you want to be spoopy and mysterious at least make sure you hit your makes. I guess you never watched the Revolution buyin match... Yeah they’ve had only two 6-man squash matches since then (over two months time), but the big-time 6 man tags will likely still be great in-ring. The problem is the storyline and gimmick is just not working (for me, at least). Seems to be dragging and doesn’t seem particularly over. Black would be so much better as a solo babyface badass character.
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Post by hentery on May 14, 2022 9:22:29 GMT -5
I don’t get it. Vague cryptic promos, meh ring work. Simultaneously feuding with 3-4 teams one of which are jobbers to the stars. No one is being elevated, no one is being showcased. All the promos kinda sound the same, the angles they’re in never really get any heat behind them. As for pillman and Garrison, they’ve been jobbing so hard I don’t care. Kinda like butcher and the blade. The whole Julia hart thing has been needlessly stretched out to the point where I’m confused as to how having most shot above her head infected her eye. Kinda like that time that malakai misted Cody’s chin. If you want to be spoopy and mysterious at least make sure you hit your makes. I guess you never watched the Revolution buyin match... Please don't assume. If you mean the match from March I saw it. I wasn't impressed. I was impressed with pac. Always impressed with pac. House of black tho? Mehhh
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Post by mrbananagrabber on May 14, 2022 19:02:57 GMT -5
Malakai looks great and is good in the ring but he’s just never been interesting. There’s nothing intriguing about this group or wretched story at all.
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Post by Dub H on May 14, 2022 20:00:58 GMT -5
I enjoyed their interactions with Julia Hart.
Thats my contribution to the thread
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