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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:41:05 GMT -5
Her original gimmick was great.
Then she started smiling and slapping hands.
It made no sense.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2022 13:42:05 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. The only thing missing for my bingo card is Ember Moon going “Oh, by the way, they hate Io Shirai because of her crazy passport”. Seriously though, I get real “make Reigns look strong” vibes from the way she just throws Mandy Rose under the bus like that. You can make your point and even get most people to agree with it without essentially going “It’s HER fault!”. Speaking as someone who is not part of these discussions, it seems... odd to focus on this, rather than the content of what she's saying. Is your point that what she's saying is wrong or biased or misleading? Also, she doesn't imply anything is Rose's fault, that I could see? It’s not necessarily her blaming Mandy Rose, because yeah, she isn’t. CM Punk never really had anything bad to say about Roman Reigns either (if I remember correctly), it was just his comments about “making him look strong” kind of became the flashpoint that put what people were kinda thinking already anyway into crystal-clear focus. I think that might happen here with Moon basically saying there were meetings about “dressing sexier”, and guess who’s benefitting the most from that, at the expense of *insert name here*? I do feel a bit bad for Rose, because this is the first actual push she’s gotten as a wrestler. |
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 13:42:16 GMT -5
I didn't listen to the video yet but did read quotes from Fightful's post earlier. There is a lot more to unpack than just the 'sexy outfit' part.
A lot of stuff about the transition after Triple H left from the perspective of a talent who worked the main roster and both the B&G era and briefly the 2.0 era of NXT. The process of her storyline for the final months.
One thing to remember about the 'sexy edict' is she is talking about the stuff that was said last fall. It's April 2022 now so it's possible over time for all the things that stayed the same, other things may have been tweaked in the edicts, mandates, process, etc.
Whatever stance one takes it's clear there is more emphasis on sex appeal now though. Look at the first few minutes of this week's episode. Opening with camera making its way from feet to head of Nikkita Lyons followed by Barrett emphasis on the audience and social media being 'thirsty'. A year ago that wouldn't have even been considered.
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 28, 2022 13:51:08 GMT -5
The time in NXT when Triple H left sounds super chaotic and random. I’d have probably gone mad if I had to deal with it.
She’s also right about the Mandy thing. There’s nothing wrong about having a “sexy” character in wrestling. But not EVERYONE can be that way. You need variety. Also it makes that character less effective when everyone is acting that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:58:29 GMT -5
I am seeing alot people reference Tegan Knox having said the samething in an interview she did.
I expect if/when the likes of Shotzi , Sarray end up leaving the company you are gonna hear alot more of the samething as Ember said here.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Apr 28, 2022 13:59:10 GMT -5
Not loving coming here to see a post like, “She already was showing skin, what’s she complaining about?”
Gross.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 28, 2022 13:59:23 GMT -5
The time in NXT when Triple H left sounds super chaotic and random. I’d have probably gone mad if I had to deal with it. She’s also right about the Mandy thing. There’s nothing wrong about having a “sexy” character in wrestling. But not EVERYONE can be that way. You need variety. Also it makes that character less effective when everyone is acting that way. The issue is also there is nothing wrong with being dressed sexy.Im sure girls like Mandy and Gigi enjoy it , they have done it their whole career. It just shouldn't be one defining factor for a push. And the opposite would be bad too, you shouldn't tell women ( or men)how to sex dress as a part of the job unless it breaks the rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 14:04:01 GMT -5
The time in NXT when Triple H left sounds super chaotic and random. I’d have probably gone mad if I had to deal with it. She’s also right about the Mandy thing. There’s nothing wrong about having a “sexy” character in wrestling. But not EVERYONE can be that way. You need variety. Also it makes that character less effective when everyone is acting that way. The issue is also there is nothing wrong with being dressed sexy.Im sure girls like Mandy and Gigi enjoy it , they have done it their whole career. It just shouldn't be one defining factor for a push.
And the opposite would be bad too, you shouldn't tell women ( or men)how to sex dress as a part of the job unless it breaks the rules. That is the crux of the entire issue because that IS the direction they have taken. If this was about talent or booked in any way like it was in black n gold this division would look VERY different right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 14:04:51 GMT -5
Not loving coming here to see a post like, “She already was showing skin, what’s she complaining about?” Gross. The fact she didn't wanna do it and the fact that even others also felt uncomfortable should be proof enough that it was a bad idea. It doesn't matter what she was wearing, she didn't wanna dress like they told her to dress. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 28, 2022 14:06:15 GMT -5
Yeah, the “dressing up like Mandy Rose” things is particularly damning.
Just…yikes dude. This industry really is a circle.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 28, 2022 14:09:56 GMT -5
Yeah, the “dressing up like Mandy Rose” things is particularly damning. Just…yikes dude. This industry really is a circle. I mean it certainly is when you place in power guys that were in power 30 years ago |
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 14:11:01 GMT -5
The time in NXT when Triple H left sounds super chaotic and random. I’d have probably gone mad if I had to deal with it. She’s also right about the Mandy thing. There’s nothing wrong about having a “sexy” character in wrestling. But not EVERYONE can be that way. You need variety. Also it makes that character less effective when everyone is acting that way. The issue is also there is nothing wrong with being dressed sexy.Im sure girls like Mandy and Gigi enjoy it , they have done it their whole career. It just shouldn't be one defining factor for a push. And the opposite would be bad too, you shouldn't tell women ( or men)how to sex dress as a part of the job unless it breaks the rules. Yeah. Let's be clear here. There is nothing wrong with a woman having a sexy girl gimmick and dressing in skimpy clothing if its something they clearly want to do. The problem is when WWE forces it onto the other women as well, or decides to push that woman based on sex appeal alone. Which lets be honest. That's the only reason they are pushing Toxic Attraction right now. Because there are infinitely more skilled women both on the mic and in the ring that are way better than Toxic Attraction. WWE is completely entrenched in the mindset that "if we push all these sexy women, younger viewers will flock to our product" when in reality that isn't even remotely true. Their ratings are absolutely down the drain. If they keep falling, NBCU/USA is going to probably start to seriously consider cancelling the show. And WWE will either double down with it on Peacock, or they'll be forced to rebrand to NXT 3.0. Black and Gold was doing better ratings than this garbage, and guess what? They didn't have women like Toxic Attraction, Nikita, Tiffany, etc as the central focus of the show. They had women like Io, Dakota, Candice, Ember, etc as the central focus of the show and it worked out so much better. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 28, 2022 14:12:19 GMT -5
Yeah, the “dressing up like Mandy Rose” things is particularly damning. Just…yikes dude. This industry really is a circle. I mean it certainly is when you place in power guys that were in power 30 years ago That’s what I’m saying!! Way too many of these cats just wind up back in power. And that’s not just WWE. Historically, that’s how a select few within the industry have maintained power. Gotta get rid of the goofs at the top and they are desperately hanging on. |
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 28, 2022 14:15:25 GMT -5
I feel like it’s also kinda clear that Ember is burying developmental as a whole when she points out this stuff, not just Mandy Rose??
She actually mentions that Mandy is dope in her own right but the f*** kind of logic is that to throw everybody into a single slot because it paid off for one person? That seems to be her frustration.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 14:20:44 GMT -5
I feel like it’s also kinda clear that Ember is burying developmental as a whole when she points out this stuff, not just Mandy Rose?? She actually mentions that Mandy is dope in her own right but the f*** kind of logic is that to throw everybody into a single slot because it paid off for one person? That seems to be her frustration. Well I mean from her words her job was to basically make the newbies good for TV (and she was fine with that) but then they tried to force her into a trainers role and that really just pushed her emotions and frustration just over the edge. I would not be surprised if this is what they are trying to do with the likes of Io and Sarray and Dakota push them out of TV roles and force them into being trainers. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 28, 2022 14:24:10 GMT -5
I didn't listen to the video yet but did read quotes from Fightful's post earlier. There is a lot more to unpack than just the 'sexy outfit' part. A lot of stuff about the transition after Triple H left from the perspective of a talent who worked the main roster and both the B&G era and briefly the 2.0 era of NXT. The process of her storyline for the final months. One thing to remember about the 'sexy edict' is she is talking about the stuff that was said last fall. It's April 2022 now so it's possible over time for all the things that stayed the same, other things may have been tweaked in the edicts, mandates, process, etc. Whatever stance one takes it's clear there is more emphasis on sex appeal now though. Look at the first few minutes of this week's episode. Opening with camera making its way from feet to head of Nikkita Lyons followed by Barrett emphasis on the audience and social media being 'thirsty'. A year ago that wouldn't have even been considered. I will say that this is an old camera trick to make a wrestler look taller & emphasize their size. Also, I mean Nikkita has been getting over with the online community because she's thick and hot. I don't even watch 2.0 and every single week, I am seeing posts about her come Tuesday nights. So they're definitely leaning into which honestly makes sense. Also, this shit with Ember sucks. It sounds like once Trips went out, the direction was changing all around her. There definitely needs to be better communication between main roster & nxt creative. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 14:26:39 GMT -5
I didn't listen to the video yet but did read quotes from Fightful's post earlier. There is a lot more to unpack than just the 'sexy outfit' part. A lot of stuff about the transition after Triple H left from the perspective of a talent who worked the main roster and both the B&G era and briefly the 2.0 era of NXT. The process of her storyline for the final months. One thing to remember about the 'sexy edict' is she is talking about the stuff that was said last fall. It's April 2022 now so it's possible over time for all the things that stayed the same, other things may have been tweaked in the edicts, mandates, process, etc. Whatever stance one takes it's clear there is more emphasis on sex appeal now though. Look at the first few minutes of this week's episode. Opening with camera making its way from feet to head of Nikkita Lyons followed by Barrett emphasis on the audience and social media being 'thirsty'. A year ago that wouldn't have even been considered. I will say that this is an old camera trick to make a wrestler look taller & emphasize their size. Also, I mean Nikkita has been getting over with the online community because she's thick and hot. I don't even watch 2.0 and every single week, I am seeing posts about her come Tuesday nights. So they're definitely leaning into which honestly makes sense. Also, this shit with Ember sucks. It sounds like once Trips went out, the direction was changing all around her. There definitely needs to be better communication between main roster & nxt creative. It bummed me out when they split Ember and Shotzi, because they were so good together. Ember helped mask Shotzi's in ring weaknesses and Shotzi made up for what Ember lacked in personality. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 28, 2022 14:26:57 GMT -5
The issue is also there is nothing wrong with being dressed sexy.Im sure girls like Mandy and Gigi enjoy it , they have done it their whole career. It just shouldn't be one defining factor for a push. And the opposite would be bad too, you shouldn't tell women ( or men)how to sex dress as a part of the job unless it breaks the rules. Yeah. Let's be clear here. There is nothing wrong with a woman having a sexy girl gimmick and dressing in skimpy clothing if its something they clearly want to do. The problem is when WWE forces it onto the other women as well, or decides to push that woman based on sex appeal alone. Which lets be honest. That's the only reason they are pushing Toxic Attraction right now. Because there are infinitely more skilled women both on the mic and in the ring that are way better than Toxic Attraction. WWE is completely entrenched in the mindset that "if we push all these sexy women, younger viewers will flock to our product" when in reality that isn't even remotely true. Their ratings are absolutely down the drain. If they keep falling, NBCU/USA is going to probably start to seriously consider cancelling the show. And WWE will either double down with it on Peacock, or they'll be forced to rebrand to NXT 3.0. Black and Gold was doing better ratings than this garbage, and guess what? They didn't have women like Toxic Attraction, Nikita, Tiffany, etc as the central focus of the show. They had women like Io, Dakota, Candice, Ember, etc as the central focus of the show and it worked out so much better. Eh, the ratings are fine and have stabilized. They're basically at Rampage lite levels now. I doubt they get canceled anytime soon. |
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Post by asuka007 on Apr 28, 2022 14:30:09 GMT -5
There’s a big difference between someone CHOOSING to dress sexy for their own reasons. And someone being told, or heavily implied, that they NEED to be more sexual to get a push.
Those are completely different things and some fans seem to forget that.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 28, 2022 14:32:09 GMT -5
I also totally understand why they'd see her as a trainer. She had an unsuccessful main roster run because the personality wasn't there even with the wrestling & great entrance and once they moved up Shotzi, Ember just didn't make sense as an NXT lifer. Ember would be a great trainer but that wasn't her calling. Good on her for making a decision that was best for her.
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