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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 12:21:46 GMT -5
Oh boy there is so much to unpack with this especially as far as the NXT women go.
Completely blind siding Ember by calling up Shotzi and breaking up the team with Ember out of nowhere and how the main roster creative apparently had "no idea" Ember and Shotzi were a team.
Her planned heel turn and going back to the war goddess persona.
SARRAY VS EMBER! was going to happen but she ended up getting a rash on her arm and yanked from TV
2hr meeting about dressing sexy or as Ember put it....2hr meeting to dress more like Mandy Rose.
She started to see the slide once hunter was gone.
They took her off TV to then try and make her a coach
Just some of the things coming out of this is all a very interesting insight into not just what they did with Ember but just overall direction for the women in NXT.
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 12:25:00 GMT -5
You mean NXT 2.0 and the mandate for women to dress more like Mandy Rose is actually seen as a bad thing among most of the women there? Color me shocked, I tell you! /s
And this board actively defends the constant nonstop horny stuff and the women who want to keep their jobs having to dress like that.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2022 12:34:38 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. The only thing missing for my bingo card is Ember Moon going “Oh, by the way, they hate Io Shirai because of her crazy passport”.
Seriously though, I get real “make Reigns look strong” vibes from the way she just throws Mandy Rose under the bus like that. You can make your point and even get most people to agree with it without essentially going “It’s HER fault!”.
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 12:37:40 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. The only thing missing for my bingo card is Ember Moon going “Oh, by the way, they hate Io Shirai because of her crazy passport”. Seriously though, I get real “make Reigns look strong” vibes from the way she just throws Mandy Rose under the bus like that. She used Mandy as an example of "unless you dress sexy, you aren't going to get pushed to the top". Which is pretty much 100% true. Mandy's reign has been absolutely terrible. And people SHOULD get on WWE for this. Because unless you are doing porn/gravure, your job performance shouldn't be based on how skimpy of an outfit you are wearing or how hot the old men in the back find you. I don't think its a coincidence that women like Dakota, Io, Sarray, etc are all being deemphasized because they don't wear skimpy ring gear.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 28, 2022 12:38:31 GMT -5
Didn’t Ember always wear push up bras and cheeky spanks under her short skirt anyways?
It was covered in weird wolf heads and the apocalyptic style, but she wasn’t necessarily the most covered up female athlete on the roster.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 28, 2022 12:39:10 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. The only thing missing for my bingo card is Ember Moon going “Oh, by the way, they hate Io Shirai because of her crazy passport”. Seriously though, I get real “make Reigns look strong” vibes from the way she just throws Mandy Rose under the bus like that. She used Mandy as an example of "unless you dress sexy, you aren't going to get pushed to the top". Which is pretty much 100% true. Mandy's reign has been absolutely terrible. And people SHOULD get on WWE for this. Because unless you are doing porn/gravure, your job performance shouldn't be based on how skimpy of an outfit you are wearing or how hot the old men in the back find you. I don't think its a coincidence that women like Dakota, Io, Sarray, etc are all being deemphasized because they don't wear skimpy ring gear. Mandy’s reign hasn’t been absolutely terrible. 🙄 And I loved the sustained push of Raquel Gonzalez who was practically naked out there!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 12:44:53 GMT -5
Didn’t Ember always wear push up bras and cheeky spanks under her short skirt anyways? It was covered in weird wolf heads and the apocalyptic style, but she wasn’t necessarily the most covered up female athlete on the roster. She's just still mad about Sonya and Mandy breaking her Nintendo Switch.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Apr 28, 2022 12:52:26 GMT -5
I don't really think it's her throwing much shade at Mandy as it is more about being told to dress like that. She even talks about how Mandy is phenomenal and a great person. Just not everybody is Mandy Rose and it's not fair she's being told dress like that
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 12:56:15 GMT -5
I don't really think it's her throwing much shade at Mandy as it is more about being told to dress like that. She even talks about how Mandy is phenomenal and a great person. Just not everybody is Mandy Rose and it's not fair she's being told dress like that Yeah. I said it before, and I'll say it again: A woman being told to dress sexy or they won't get pushed is bad. Really bad. Like insanely bad. You shouldn't be pushed based solely on how much you make the old men in the back horny.
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Post by thehottag on Apr 28, 2022 12:56:37 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. So, if someone else posted the Tweet, would it make the points more legitimate?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 28, 2022 12:57:46 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. So, if someone else posted the Tweet, would it make the points more legitimate? Never said that. It’s just an observation on how one of the two most passionate people about the NXT women’s division were the most likely to post news related to the NXT women’s division.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 12:58:48 GMT -5
I don't really think it's her throwing much shade at Mandy as it is more about being told to dress like that. She even talks about how Mandy is phenomenal and a great person. Just not everybody is Mandy Rose and it's not fair she's being told dress like that Yea it is not so much throwing her under the bus or blaming her personally but using her as the baseline example because the change in direction for the women really is spearheaded by Mandys push because that is her entire thing is sex appeal and then it just trickles down. I mean NXT is branded by many as the horny show for a damn reason because the direction is not subtle at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:07:14 GMT -5
She used Mandy as an example of "unless you dress sexy, you aren't going to get pushed to the top". Which is pretty much 100% true. Mandy's reign has been absolutely terrible. And people SHOULD get on WWE for this. Because unless you are doing porn/gravure, your job performance shouldn't be based on how skimpy of an outfit you are wearing or how hot the old men in the back find you. I don't think its a coincidence that women like Dakota, Io, Sarray, etc are all being deemphasized because they don't wear skimpy ring gear. Mandy’s reign hasn’t been absolutely terrible. 🙄 And I loved the sustained push of Raquel Gonzalez who was practically naked out there! Yeah i agree with the "hasn't been" statement...In fact this is the best she has ever been...
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Apr 28, 2022 13:13:52 GMT -5
I just knew the moment I saw this on Twitter that it was gonna end up on here, posted by one of the people who are always on it about the NXT women’s division. Like absolute clockwork. The only thing missing for my bingo card is Ember Moon going “Oh, by the way, they hate Io Shirai because of her crazy passport”. Seriously though, I get real “make Reigns look strong” vibes from the way she just throws Mandy Rose under the bus like that. You can make your point and even get most people to agree with it without essentially going “It’s HER fault!”. Speaking as someone who is not part of these discussions, it seems... odd to focus on this, rather than the content of what she's saying. Is your point that what she's saying is wrong or biased or misleading? Also, she doesn't imply anything is Rose's fault, that I could see?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:15:47 GMT -5
Damn, that's very very sad to hear. Wow. It's always interesting hearing these kinds of stories from the "workhorse types" such as her and Ambrose. She said nothing wrong in that, she stood up for herself and it just goes to show that yeah once Vince put more of his hands on it and Hunter left, things changed not only for her but for others as well. I'm not surprised. While it's good for other women, some women (like Ember) just get hurt from it. It doesn't cater to her at all.
Her standing up for herself is the right thing to do and yeah, it's like I always say to people here who complain weekly when they watch a WWE show: just go if you don't like something. Don't watch. She didn't wanna be part of it so she left and she ended up better. It's just not good.
Lastly, nah there wasn't any shots at Mandy, if anything she was bigging Mandy up given she's standing out so much and doing everything well enough that they want others to be similar to her, I mean Ember even gave Mandy props afterwards too. She was telling the truth when she said that hey, she loves Mandy but Mandy is Mandy and she's Ember.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:24:06 GMT -5
Mandy’s reign hasn’t been absolutely terrible. 🙄 And I loved the sustained push of Raquel Gonzalez who was practically naked out there! Yeah i agree with the "hasn't been" statement...In fact this is the best she has ever been... I'd end her reign at the next premium live event just because I'm burned out on long title reigns, but I think she's been pretty solid. She won't go down as one of the best champs ever or anything, but it's also not the Jinder Mahal disaster I've seen people make it out to be. She's also been really over (to the point where crowds have cheered her over women like Alba Fyre and Raquel) and she deserves credit for that. I agree that it's super shitty to only push women based on what they wear, but I do think NXT has gotten a bit better at balancing things lately.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Apr 28, 2022 13:28:06 GMT -5
Wendy Choo only getting her push because of what she wears makes me sick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 13:31:36 GMT -5
It is just really sad to learn that she and other women were in a 2hr meeting to be told...alter what you wear to be more sexy that is some seriously regressive shit.
We have fallen quite a ways from when this division was celebrated as the best not just in WWE but in NA so much so even WWE themselves had to get onboard with it and they did everything to not aknowledge NXT during that period.
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Post by pinja on Apr 28, 2022 13:32:20 GMT -5
Since Ember left, NXT's women division transformed quite a bit and the looks and gimmicks are much more varied. Mandy dressing sexy sticks out in today's product, but mainly because dressing sexy is part of her act of being sexy. It becomes a total headscratcher when everyone has to dress sexy when that's not part of their gimmick or when they don't get to present anything else but their body.
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 13:36:07 GMT -5
Since Ember left, NXT's women division transformed quite a bit and the looks and gimmicks are much more varied. Mandy dressing sexy sticks out in today's product, but mainly because dressing sexy is part of her act of being sexy. It becomes a total headscratcher when everyone has to dress sexy when that's not part of their gimmick or when they don't get to present anything else but their body. I disagree with the transformation part. You have SOME new gimmicks like Wendy Choo, yes. But pretty much every heel is some variation of "character from Mean Girls" or "look at how hot I am". Toxic Attraction is: Look at how hot we are, we are sexy and the attraction!!!!!! Tiffany Stratton is: Look at how hot I am and how I'm a preppy daddy's girl!!!! Lash Legend is: Look at how I am the star (hot) and how sassy I am!!! I would argue Elektra is the only real exception here, and even that's a stretch.
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