chazraps
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Post by chazraps on Apr 28, 2022 17:09:56 GMT -5
Grossest thread in a long time. Good lord.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 28, 2022 17:10:09 GMT -5
Ok my nuanced view.
There's nothing wrong with an entertainment company asking women to be more sexy(on screen)
There's nothing wrong with a performer setting up boundaries of what they will and won't do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 17:12:12 GMT -5
They wanted these women to dress this way backstage...that's just...ugh gross. Not even when wrestling, just in the locker rooms, hallways and offices. Ugh. Nobody should be defending any of this. maybe I am skimming here. I don't see where she said that it was backstage...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 17:35:13 GMT -5
Insane how quickly things have regressed with the NXT women...top of the world one moment to becoming gross fap material for your bosses.
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Post by 06vwgti on Apr 28, 2022 17:39:39 GMT -5
Disgusting, sounds like something I would have read from news back in the mid 2000s that should not be happening today.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 28, 2022 17:43:38 GMT -5
It is just really sad to learn that she and other women were in a 2hr meeting to be told...alter what you wear to be more sexy that is some seriously regressive shit. We have fallen quite a ways from when this division was celebrated as the best not just in WWE but in NA so much so even WWE themselves had to get onboard with it and they did everything to not aknowledge NXT during that period. To think NXT had the best womens division not even 2 years ago and it got downgraded hard Yes, they are trying to build new people but the dress sexier mandate is some Johnny Ace levels of backwards bullshit
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Post by thehottag on Apr 28, 2022 17:45:27 GMT -5
I'd say they're glorified pole dancers, but at least pole dancers get health insurance & take less bumps.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 17:58:41 GMT -5
Been reading some reactions around places and already seeing a lot of 'it's BS SRS hating on WWE dirt sheet nonsense only just now being reported after the fact' responses to Fightful's report to try to discredit it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 18:04:06 GMT -5
Been reading some reactions around places and already seeing a lot of 'it's BS SRS hating on WWE dirt sheet nonsense only just now being reported after the fact' responses to Fightful's report to try to discredit it. It was a slight talking point before but now we are gonna see a wider divide on the topic with this news blowing up and when it comes from women like Ember and Tegan and is likely to come from others....I think Taya also spoke on this albeit briefly in a post release interview in how much and quickly things changed in NXT , it starts to hold more and more water and then people start connecting preverbial dots to the onscreen product and well.
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Post by thehottag on Apr 28, 2022 18:04:56 GMT -5
Also, not saying that Becky Lynch's criticism of AEW women's division the other day wasn't legit, but I guarantee Tony Khan isn't setting up 2 hour meetings to tell their ladies how to make their outfits more revealing.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 28, 2022 18:21:08 GMT -5
I guess we'll never be truly free of women's wrestling threads where gross shit gets said, huh.
Anyway uh there's more to being 'sexy' than how much skin you show, and the giant red flag of WWE wanting to regress its way back to a sexualized presentation of the division and emphasize those elements does a disservice to all of the women there. Even the ones who want to be sexy. Nobody actually benefits long-term from this skeeviness and it's every cynical expectation people had of Laurinaitis when he was given that spot back. If the division is just eye candy meant for men in the 50+ demographic then they are going to be taken less seriously, going to be judged on the basis of their looks at all times, have shorter careers because they'll get 'too old to be hot' and be replaced by younger hires (which had a direct cause on the issues of so few truly veteran female talents on the US scene), and they'll inherently be brushed off by the office and in turn by a lot of the audience. Nothing is improved by this. They can push Mandy Rose as the hottest woman alive, who makes men's eyes cartoonishly bulge out and steam come out of their ears, without mandating that everyone be sexier now.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 18:23:16 GMT -5
I wanted to note a few things about the Tegan/Ember stuff and the call-ups in general around that time.
People are critical that Nox and Shotzi won non-title matches and never got a title match. Fair enough. I'd argue the bigger issue was they never got a proper intro to the main roster beyond McAfee trying to put them over as a big deal. They debuted suddenly on the final Thunderdome episode of Smackdown INSTEAD of just waiting a week to debut them in front of the first Live crowd WHICH would have given them a week to wrap their NXT stories up. They could have finished Ember/Shotzi vs Dakota/Raquel and done Tegan vs Candice if Candice was still able to work. If I recall the week prior she worked the tag title match so might have still been possible. Once they hit the main roster, they never had a televised match over 6-7 minutes if even that length. All that gets forgotten in favor of just being critical of the lack of title match.
Toni got called up, used once and left off television for a bit. They could have easily let her have her blow-off match with Sarray before bringing her up.
Just poor structure.
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 18:23:56 GMT -5
I guess we'll never be truly free of women's wrestling threads where gross shit gets said, huh. Anyway uh there's more to being 'sexy' than how much skin you show, and the giant red flag of WWE wanting to regress its way back to a sexualized presentation of the division and emphasize those elements does a disservice to all of the women there. Even the ones who want to be sexy. Nobody actually benefits long-term from this skeeviness and it's every cynical expectation people had of Laurinaitis when he was given that spot back. If the division is just eye candy meant for men in the 50+ demographic then they are going to be taken less seriously, going to be judged on the basis of their looks at all times, have shorter careers because they'll get 'too old to be hot' and be replaced by younger hires (which had a direct cause on the issues of so few truly veteran female talents on the US scene), and they'll inherently be taken less seriously by the office and in turn by a lot of the audience. Nothing is improved by this. They can push Mandy Rose as the hottest woman alive, who makes men's eyes cartoonishly bulge out and steam come out of their ears, without mandating that everyone be sexier now. I mean the opening of NXT this past week was the camera panning up over Nikkita Lyons walking around backstage, while Wade was screaming about how much of a thirst trap she was. It was really skeevy and I wish WWE would stop that stuff.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 28, 2022 18:26:01 GMT -5
I guess we'll never be truly free of women's wrestling threads where gross shit gets said, huh. Anyway uh there's more to being 'sexy' than how much skin you show, and the giant red flag of WWE wanting to regress its way back to a sexualized presentation of the division and emphasize those elements does a disservice to all of the women there. Even the ones who want to be sexy. Nobody actually benefits long-term from this skeeviness and it's every cynical expectation people had of Laurinaitis when he was given that spot back. If the division is just eye candy meant for men in the 50+ demographic then they are going to be taken less seriously, going to be judged on the basis of their looks at all times, have shorter careers because they'll get 'too old to be hot' and be replaced by younger hires (which had a direct cause on the issues of so few truly veteran female talents on the US scene), and they'll inherently be taken less seriously by the office and in turn by a lot of the audience. Nothing is improved by this. They can push Mandy Rose as the hottest woman alive, who makes men's eyes cartoonishly bulge out and steam come out of their ears, without mandating that everyone be sexier now. I mean the opening of NXT this past week was the camera panning up over Nikkita Lyon walking around backstage, while Wade was screaming about how much of a thirst trap she was. It was really skeevy and I wish WWE would stop that stuff. Yikes. I don't know where to go with this other than yikes. That? No reason for that. That's grimy.
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Post by knightboat on Apr 28, 2022 18:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Apr 28, 2022 18:35:30 GMT -5
I feel like about the only reason WWE hasn't brought back shit like Fulfill Your Fantasy and gravy bowl matches is because they know sponsors would disapprove. It's very abundantly clear that first and foremost the higherups see women as objects to be ogled.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Apr 28, 2022 18:38:25 GMT -5
Since the boss and his minions has the sexual morals of a date rapist, this should surprise no one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 18:40:39 GMT -5
I feel like about the only reason WWE hasn't brought back shit like Fulfill Your Fantasy and gravy bowl matches is because they know sponsors would disapprove. It's very abundantly clear that first and foremost the higherups see women as objects to be ogled. If Stephanie and by Proxy HHH do not get this company when Vince finally gives up his seat then this is exactly where we are headed back to. And boy oh boy how quickly the likes of Sasha will leap off the boat will give everyone whiplash.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Apr 28, 2022 18:41:17 GMT -5
I mean the opening of NXT this past week was the camera panning up over Nikkita Lyon walking around backstage, while Wade was screaming about how much of a thirst trap she was. It was really skeevy and I wish WWE would stop that stuff. Yikes. I don't know where to go with this other than yikes. That? No reason for that. That's grimy. As I mentioned earlier, Nikkita has been getting over on the net because of her looks and people have been thirsting for her. Their playing into that. Also while I know Ember didn't like this. We should really reframe from thinking every single woman has a problem with using their looks as a way to get over. Nikkita has been playing into the thirst trap stuff on her IG & Twitter. It could be something that SHE wants to do. It shouldn't be forced on her of course but we also shouldn't just assume every woman doesn't want to play into their sexuality.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 28, 2022 18:46:48 GMT -5
Yikes. I don't know where to go with this other than yikes. That? No reason for that. That's grimy. As I mentioned earlier, Nikkita has been getting over on the net because of her looks and people have been thirsting for her. Their playing into that. Also while I know Ember didn't like this. We should really reframe from thinking every single woman has a problem with using their looks as a way to get over. Nikkita has been playing into the thirst trap stuff on her IG & Twitter. It could be something that SHE wants to do. It shouldn't be forced on her of course but we also shouldn't just assume every woman doesn't want to play into their sexuality. That's not the assumption and the problem is the accusation that it is being forced. Like yeah if she wants to be sexy she can be sexy. But also I think she can be sexy without the entire framing and production of the show just screaming "LOOK AT HOW f***ING SEXY SHE IS". She can be sexy without people who already spent years shitting on women's wrestling dragging the division back to those days and that presentation because the only one who really cared about pushing women from like a show quality standpoint has been cut out of power. There's still something gross going on here and I think "WWE wants sexy" versus "someone wants to be sexy" are two entirely different things.
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