FinalGwen
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Post by FinalGwen on Apr 28, 2022 18:54:24 GMT -5
Feel like the framing says it all - People can post thirst traps as much as they want, hell, I do it a bunch. But that doesn't mean people are thirst traps, and that's what WWE seemingly wants them to be. You exist for people to find you hot, and have no intrinsic value beyond that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 18:58:09 GMT -5
Can we go back to when it was banger matches and just that one poster shouting WARGAMES at everyone in the weekly thread lol.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 19:03:00 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit.
Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 28, 2022 19:05:46 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit. Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen. to be fair that is not only women. This is one fo the oldest action troped for men and women.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 19:10:28 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit. Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen. to be fair that is not only women. This is one fo the oldest action troped for men and women. I know Howard Finkel got hotter to me when he turned heel that one time.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 19:15:55 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit. Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen. to be fair that is not only women. This is one fo the oldest action troped for men and women. That is true though for some reason it never feels as obvious for men. Sometimes sadly easy to forget.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 19:25:10 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit. Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen. If anything Io actually toned down her sexiness going from shorts and revealing top to pretty much full body suit but somehow it was the change in hair that really did it for alot of people to where alot more took notice of how beautiful she is.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 28, 2022 19:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Apr 28, 2022 19:36:39 GMT -5
I guess we'll never be truly free of women's wrestling threads where gross shit gets said, huh. Anyway uh there's more to being 'sexy' than how much skin you show, and the giant red flag of WWE wanting to regress its way back to a sexualized presentation of the division and emphasize those elements does a disservice to all of the women there. Even the ones who want to be sexy. Nobody actually benefits long-term from this skeeviness and it's every cynical expectation people had of Laurinaitis when he was given that spot back. If the division is just eye candy meant for men in the 50+ demographic then they are going to be taken less seriously, going to be judged on the basis of their looks at all times, have shorter careers because they'll get 'too old to be hot' and be replaced by younger hires (which had a direct cause on the issues of so few truly veteran female talents on the US scene), and they'll inherently be taken less seriously by the office and in turn by a lot of the audience. Nothing is improved by this. They can push Mandy Rose as the hottest woman alive, who makes men's eyes cartoonishly bulge out and steam come out of their ears, without mandating that everyone be sexier now. I mean the opening of NXT this past week was the camera panning up over Nikkita Lyons walking around backstage, while Wade was screaming about how much of a thirst trap she was. It was really skeevy and I wish WWE would stop that stuff. To quote myself on twitter "Every NXT 2.0 clip makes the show look like it veers solely between being the most embarrassingly horny show on TV, and sub-Disney-Channel-sitcoms-meant-for-10-year-olds humor."
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 19:38:58 GMT -5
One unfortunate trope that happens often, not just wrestling, but entertainment period: The girl goes bad and suddenly becomes 'sexier'. In NXT I noticed this with both Io Shirai and Dakota Kai after they did their heel turns in 2019. They went from girl next door to a more sultry look. It's silly to say sexier because they were both equally as beautiful prior to getting more sultry looks. But it felt a case of unfortunate trope, though with no emphasis on sex appeal at the time, neither felt a big deal to be made of. It was just changing their look a bit. Alas that was just a more recent example. The same was the case NUMEROUS TIMES going back to years prior. Think Lita's presentation from her face days to Rated R Queen. If anything Io actually toned down her sexiness going from shorts and revealing top to pretty much full body suit but somehow it was the change in hair that really did it for alot of people to where alot more took notice of how beautiful she is. I was thinking more about the non-wrestling outfits going from what best I recall was mostly t-shirts and jeans, just basic casual to suddenly prototypical black leather pants and sleeveless tops with midriff. It never felt like they were sexualizing her though at least. Sadly I've seen a lot of people suddenly consider various wrestlers 'as sexy' only when they turn heel and/or have a look change. I've also seen it be in a lot of cases the 'reasoning' why this or that person should always be a heel. UGH.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 28, 2022 19:58:07 GMT -5
The only Japanese wrestler that got presented close to a stereotype fetish was Sarray in NXT also apparently they also heavily implied the female wrestlers should dress equally sexy backstag.Yikes Japan does have a creepy fan culture. But that is regardless on how they are presented and with woman in any public media
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 28, 2022 20:07:34 GMT -5
The only Japanese wrestler that got presented close to a stereotype fetish was Sarray in NXT also apparently they also heavily implied the female wrestlers should dress equally sexy backstag.Yikes Japan does have a creepy fan culture. But that is regardless on how they are presented and with woman in any public media A lot of joshi are presented in infantile and other, let’s be kind and say questionable, ways in their own country. I took the ‘backstage’ to mean how they dress for backstage segments, which WWE does a lot of. It’s not really clear. But regardless of what WWE is doing, I’d say it’s less sick and offensive than making underage wrestlers do meet-and-greets with grown men while pushing them to buy picture books of the underage wrestlers in lingerie. That’s straight pedo stuff and should not be defended in any way in any culture. Yet I hardly ever see anyone bring it up.
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 20:14:00 GMT -5
The only Japanese wrestler that got presented close to a stereotype fetish was Sarray in NXT also apparently they also heavily implied the female wrestlers should dress equally sexy backstag.Yikes Japan does have a creepy fan culture. But that is regardless on how they are presented and with woman in any public media A lot of joshi are presented in infantile and other, let’s be kind and say questionable, ways in their own country. I took the ‘backstage’ to mean how they dress for backstage segments, which WWE does a lot of. It’s not really clear. But regardless of what WWE is doing, I’d say it’s less sick and offensive than making underage wrestlers do meet-and-greets with grown men while pushing them to buy picture books of the underage wrestlers in lingerie. That’s straight pedo stuff and should not be defended in any way in any culture. Yet I hardly ever see anyone bring it up. Because none of this happens anymore. It used to awhile back, but when Bushiroad bought out STARDOM, they stopped doing that stuff. And in the case of the photobooks, participation in it is entirely optional, and your status in the company won't be harmed if you opt not to participate either. The company has also stopped signing new talents who are under the age of 18, and they don't take part in photobook shoots. This seems more like you are trying to deflect from the problem that WWE has right now in that they are pressuring women backstage to dress more sexy just because Johnny Ace wants it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 20:15:23 GMT -5
The only Japanese wrestler that got presented close to a stereotype fetish was Sarray in NXT also apparently they also heavily implied the female wrestlers should dress equally sexy backstag.Yikes Japan does have a creepy fan culture. But that is regardless on how they are presented and with woman in any public media A lot of joshi are presented in infantile and other, let’s be kind and say questionable, ways in their own country. I took the ‘backstage’ to mean how they dress for backstage segments, which WWE does a lot of. It’s not really clear. But regardless of what WWE is doing, I’d say it’s less sick and offensive than making underage wrestlers do meet-and-greets with grown men while pushing them to buy picture books of the underage wrestlers in lingerie. That’s straight pedo stuff and should not be defended in any way in any culture. Yet I hardly ever see anyone bring it up. I am not gonna disagree with what you are saying about grown men and the infantilzation of underage children etc but we are veering WAYYY the f*** off course of discussion with this so lets not do this.
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Post by metylerca on Apr 28, 2022 20:18:39 GMT -5
Anyway to get back to the topic. I didn't like that Ember questioned the passion of the newbies. If you don't want to be a trainer, that's fine. That's your perspective. But you can't question somebody trying to learn the craft just because they're new. That's gatekeeping. Bianca Belair wasn't a fan of wrestling before she started training and now has become one of the biggest stars in the company. Goldberg & Kevin Nash wasn't the most passionate people about wrestling but they were big stars. Passion itself doesn't determine if somebody can be a money-making star. Do you have a work ethic? Do you have the ability? Can you make people believe? Eventually, you gotta have some passion or you'll give up but you don't have EAT SLEEP BREATH THIS BIZNISS to make it. So yeah, I didn't like her throwing newbies under the bus like that. Ahem. Was it necessary to besmirch the good name of X-Division pioneer Kevin Nash like this?
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Post by knsffa on Apr 28, 2022 20:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by mistery on Apr 28, 2022 20:43:39 GMT -5
Saw this somewhere else and curious about people's thoughts if they agree or disagree. "The women's division when Regal introduction the tag belts looked like a group of women with their own different looks, mostly casual wear or ring gear. Few weeks ago when Nattie charged into the lounge it looked like a bunch of models hanging out."
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Honestly I didn't even realize that until I looked at the photos. It's insane how much NXT has regressed.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 28, 2022 20:50:41 GMT -5
A lot of joshi are presented in infantile and other, let’s be kind and say questionable, ways in their own country. I took the ‘backstage’ to mean how they dress for backstage segments, which WWE does a lot of. It’s not really clear. But regardless of what WWE is doing, I’d say it’s less sick and offensive than making underage wrestlers do meet-and-greets with grown men while pushing them to buy picture books of the underage wrestlers in lingerie. That’s straight pedo stuff and should not be defended in any way in any culture. Yet I hardly ever see anyone bring it up. I am not gonna disagree with what you are saying about grown men and the infantilzation of underage children etc but we are veering WAYYY the f*** off course of discussion with this so lets not do this. I’ll start a thread in Rest of Wrestling about some of these beyond-shady practices in Japan then. Carry on. EDIT: I brought it up because it’s been a thing and thought people who are shocked and offended by this might want to know what goes on elsewhere in the wrestling world.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Apr 28, 2022 20:51:24 GMT -5
So, if someone else posted the Tweet, would it make the points more legitimate? Never said that. It’s just an observation on how one of the two most passionate people about the NXT women’s division were the most likely to post news related to the NXT women’s division. They're allowed to be. I'm sorry but this is extremely unprofessional given your standing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 20:52:42 GMT -5
![](https://external-preview.redd.it/8MJ-S3j6fGZNCdJv4y8JuS2PjhZ2nJS4j4DYdB0xBHA.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4a0a0b63f8679b1c708c5d41c8e59abee4862637) That NXT womens roster was just 1yr ago that is wild.
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