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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 29, 2022 9:26:01 GMT -5
I’m talking about why you have to make a post to specifically post her photos and slam her essentially. Not necessary, she was just doing what she was hired to do, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with dressing however she wants to dress. There was nothing in the post directed at the consultant in a malicious manner. Just that her portfolio reflects what is being seen on screen now and the correlation between her consulting and what is being portrayed now. The “uh...yikes” gave the impression to me it was being posted as a slight against her.
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Post by mistery on Apr 29, 2022 9:28:57 GMT -5
There was nothing in the post directed at the consultant in a malicious manner. Just that her portfolio reflects what is being seen on screen now and the correlation between her consulting and what is being portrayed now. The “uh...yikes” gave the impression to me it was being posted as a slight against her. The uh...yikes thing was directed at it adding more fuel to the fire that management is pressuring the women backstage to dress in skimpy/revealing clothing.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 29, 2022 9:30:05 GMT -5
I’m talking about why you have to make a post to specifically post her photos and slam her essentially. Not necessary, she was just doing what she was hired to do, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with dressing however she wants to dress. It's less slamming her and more along the lines of that's the kind of stuff WWE was (or still is) looking for. I'm not criticizing her for doing her job. But WWE specifically brought her in to push this kinda stuff onto the women backstage. If she or her clients want to dress like that, more power to them. I'm not criticizing her. It's WWE I'm criticizing here, because a lot of the stuff from her portfolio is very risque or overtly sexual, which falls in line with all of the reports that the women are being pressured into dressing in more risque clothing all simply because it makes a bunch of creeps and perverts in management horny. Gotcha, I took the “yikes” part of your post as slamming the way she dresses. Apologies if it wasn’t intended that way. As to why they are asking them to dress that way, my guess is it’s more because they misguidedly believe that will draw in viewers, and less because it makes “creeps and perverts in management horny” but I guess that’s just speculation on both of our parts.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 29, 2022 10:57:26 GMT -5
This is a weird critique lol. The women of the old era are dressed casually and had their own looks. Just like the woman of the new era. They're still dressed casually. They just have better fashion but most of them aren't dressed skimpy or anything so I don't get the point trying to be made. Honestly, they just look like what women actually wear these days when they're out.That's the point here. They're not out: they're at work. In the older NXT pic most of the women there look natural when you think about what a wrestler might wear backstage at WWE programming. Most of them actually look like if, say they told them to go out there and fight a bit in what they're wearing they'd be able to pull it off. You don't get that in the latter NXT pic. Going back to the report that they implied they should dress "sexier" backstage, look at who these guys are and what they've said in the past to others and it makes sense. An example is Drake Maverick's wife. Remember how they depicted her when she was on Raw during his 24/7 Title days? That's what they want to see backstage. It's not new.
Basically, yeah. Like, at the end of the day, these women aren’t going on a night of the town, they’re competing in events and are athletes. Simone Biles didn’t go out to Tokyo during the Olympics onto the floor exercise wearing a long dress and heels before changing into her outfit, she wore a specialized tracksuit so it was easy to change into. In kayfabe, the hell would they be wearing dresses backstage for?
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Post by Error on Apr 29, 2022 10:57:41 GMT -5
It's less slamming her and more along the lines of that's the kind of stuff WWE was (or still is) looking for. I'm not criticizing her for doing her job. But WWE specifically brought her in to push this kinda stuff onto the women backstage. If she or her clients want to dress like that, more power to them. I'm not criticizing her. It's WWE I'm criticizing here, because a lot of the stuff from her portfolio is very risque or overtly sexual, which falls in line with all of the reports that the women are being pressured into dressing in more risque clothing all simply because it makes a bunch of creeps and perverts in management horny. Gotcha, I took the “yikes” part of your post as slamming the way she dresses. Apologies if it wasn’t intended that way. As to why they are asking them to dress that way, my guess is it’s more because they misguidedly believe that will draw in viewers, and less because it makes “creeps and perverts in management horny” but I guess that’s just speculation on both of our parts. Maybe it's just me but when I hear backstage I think off camera, which is an issue, imo. If they mean in vignettes and stuff that is less an issue but still stupid to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 11:11:13 GMT -5
That's the point here. They're not out: they're at work. In the older NXT pic most of the women there look natural when you think about what a wrestler might wear backstage at WWE programming. Most of them actually look like if, say they told them to go out there and fight a bit in what they're wearing they'd be able to pull it off. You don't get that in the latter NXT pic. Going back to the report that they implied they should dress "sexier" backstage, look at who these guys are and what they've said in the past to others and it makes sense. An example is Drake Maverick's wife. Remember how they depicted her when she was on Raw during his 24/7 Title days? That's what they want to see backstage. It's not new.
Basically, yeah. Like, at the end of the day, these women aren’t going on a night of the town, they’re competing in events and are athletes. Simone Biles didn’t go out to Tokyo during the Olympics onto the floor exercise wearing a long dress and heels before changing into her outfit, she wore a specialized tracksuit so it was easy to change into. In kayfabe, the hell would they be wearing dresses backstage for? Yeah you explained it better than I did. I just don't get it. I mean I do get it because, well we know who the head brass are, but the fact that NXT has changed so much over the past year and a half is crazy. What's interesting, and is something I've just thought about, are the different NXT eras. There's been more eras of NXT since it started than the different "eras" of the main roster during the same time period. NXT's changing as much as a main roster promotion while the main roster's years have sorta blended together.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 29, 2022 13:15:08 GMT -5
The positive to come from Athena/Ember doing this interview is that it connects some dots and provides people with a look at what was going on backstage last summer and fall at NXT during the transition. It confirms some things and revealed stuff like the fashion meeting.
Sadly nothing will change at WWE and NXT unless the higher-ups do. I can't see anyone from the few tenured talents who remain to the newer ladies to even Mandy risking their jobs to speak up. That does not make them bad people, nor does it mean they agree with the way of things. They just don't have any real say. Way too much of the fanbase supports whatever the brass do too.
It's really sad to see the vision for the future that took years to build came crashing down in a matter of months. That doesn't mean some of the current and future talent can't or won't still thrive. Those who do, however, would have still thrived without the changes.
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Post by joeiscool on Apr 29, 2022 13:17:54 GMT -5
That's the point here. They're not out: they're at work. In the older NXT pic most of the women there look natural when you think about what a wrestler might wear backstage at WWE programming. Most of them actually look like if, say they told them to go out there and fight a bit in what they're wearing they'd be able to pull it off. You don't get that in the latter NXT pic. Going back to the report that they implied they should dress "sexier" backstage, look at who these guys are and what they've said in the past to others and it makes sense. An example is Drake Maverick's wife. Remember how they depicted her when she was on Raw during his 24/7 Title days? That's what they want to see backstage. It's not new.
Basically, yeah. Like, at the end of the day, these women aren’t going on a night of the town, they’re competing in events and are athletes. Simone Biles didn’t go out to Tokyo during the Olympics onto the floor exercise wearing a long dress and heels before changing into her outfit, she wore a specialized tracksuit so it was easy to change into. In kayfabe, the hell would they be wearing dresses backstage for? Because in WWE world they aren't just athletes. I think WWE see's their stars like the Nba see's their players. They go to the games in suits and ties and only get changed for a game. There has been controversy surrounding about what men wear backstage as well(I know it's not the same thing)
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 29, 2022 13:35:19 GMT -5
My two cents: There is nothing at all wrong with the eye candy element-when it is used in a way that adds rather than subtracts. Women wrestlers doing photoshoots for WWE.com or for fitness magazines is great, a way of cross promoting and raising their profile. Characters that revolve around their good looks such as the ever classic shallow, narcissistic heel is a given. Even eye candy events like a Summerslam bikini contest absolutely have their place. And further, Ember is a perfectly beautiful woman and I am confident she would more than rocked a more sexed up attire.
That said, it was totally unnecessary for her. Her war goddess persona was over as it was, and as some others have mentioned its not like her attire in that gimmick was exactly modest anyway. The time to change her look up, such as maybe sexing it up a bit, was when it had worn out and her act needed to freshen up. But they never reached that point, they never used a gimmick that was lit up on its own to its fullest potential. Its like how they make Kairi Sane a "kabuki warrior" even though the pirate princess shtick was over like gangbusters, and in the process they missed out on huge money in terms of merchandising, Hell, before I wanted to see Ember get sexed up I'd have preferred see her in a tag team with pirate Kairi, the mash up entrance would have been a spectacle and a half.
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Post by mistery on Apr 29, 2022 13:43:43 GMT -5
My two cents: There is nothing at all wrong with the eye candy element-when it is used in a way that adds rather than subtracts. Women wrestlers doing photoshoots for WWE.com or for fitness magazines is great, a way of cross promoting and raising their profile. Characters that revolve around their good looks such as the ever classic shallow, narcissistic heel is a given. Even eye candy events like a Summerslam bikini contest absolutely have their place. And further, Ember is a perfectly beautiful woman and I am confident she would more than rocked a more sexed up attire. That said, it was totally unnecessary for her. Her war goddess persona was over as it was, and as some others have mentioned its not like her attire in that gimmick was exactly modest anyway. The time to change her look up, such as maybe sexing it up a bit, was when it had worn out and her act needed to freshen up. But they never reached that point, they never used a gimmick that was lit up on its own to its fullest potential. Its like how they make Kairi Sane a "kabuki warrior" even though the pirate princess shtick was over like gangbusters, and in the process they missed out on huge money in terms of merchandising, Hell, before I wanted to see Ember get sexed up I'd have preferred see her in a tag team with pirate Kairi, the mash up entrance would have been a spectacle and a half. Here is the kicker though, and its a big one: If a woman doesn't want to dress up in skimpy clothing or "be sexed up", then they shouldn't be forced to, nor should they be punished for it either.
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Post by knsffa on Apr 29, 2022 13:56:34 GMT -5
My two cents: There is nothing at all wrong with the eye candy element-when it is used in a way that adds rather than subtracts. Women wrestlers doing photoshoots for WWE.com or for fitness magazines is great, a way of cross promoting and raising their profile. Characters that revolve around their good looks such as the ever classic shallow, narcissistic heel is a given. Even eye candy events like a Summerslam bikini contest absolutely have their place. And further, Ember is a perfectly beautiful woman and I am confident she would more than rocked a more sexed up attire. That said, it was totally unnecessary for her. Her war goddess persona was over as it was, and as some others have mentioned its not like her attire in that gimmick was exactly modest anyway. The time to change her look up, such as maybe sexing it up a bit, was when it had worn out and her act needed to freshen up. But they never reached that point, they never used a gimmick that was lit up on its own to its fullest potential. Its like how they make Kairi Sane a "kabuki warrior" even though the pirate princess shtick was over like gangbusters, and in the process they missed out on huge money in terms of merchandising, Hell, before I wanted to see Ember get sexed up I'd have preferred see her in a tag team with pirate Kairi, the mash up entrance would have been a spectacle and a half. Here is the kicker though, and its a big one: If a woman doesn't want to dress up in skimpy clothing or "be sexed up", then they shouldn't be forced to, nor should they be punished for it either. I doubt it will ever be known but I'd be curious to find out if those who didn't attend the 'fashion consultant' meeting were part of the November releases.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Apr 29, 2022 14:14:47 GMT -5
Basically, yeah. Like, at the end of the day, these women aren’t going on a night of the town, they’re competing in events and are athletes. Simone Biles didn’t go out to Tokyo during the Olympics onto the floor exercise wearing a long dress and heels before changing into her outfit, she wore a specialized tracksuit so it was easy to change into. In kayfabe, the hell would they be wearing dresses backstage for? Because in WWE world they aren't just athletes. I think WWE see's their stars like the Nba see's their players. They go to the games in suits and ties and only get changed for a game. There has been controversy surrounding about what men wear backstage as well(I know it's not the same thing) The thing is, NBA players barely go in suits and ties anymore. If anything, they either wear streetwear or stuff specifically designed to disgust Charles Barkley.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 14:27:36 GMT -5
I don't know how you can objectively say that the new NXT's women division hasn't been informed by Big Johnny's known habits. I just don't.
I'm not even against eye candy: Trish Stratus is absolutely gorgeous, Lita was a celebrity crush when I was a teenager, AEW has The Bunny and Penelope Ford. Arguably, all of these women made or currently make being hot part of their shtick.
What gets to be REALLY gross and problematic is when every woman is expected to adhere to some weird standard of beauty or femininity or whatever. You think Rhea Ripley, Shayna Baszler, and some of the less model-esque looking women are getting a look? Sure, Nia Jax was the shits in ring, but at least they gave a bigger woman a look and a try. I just don't see that happening anymore, and we're just going to get Divas 2.0.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Apr 29, 2022 14:28:43 GMT -5
So…they sent her back to NXT for a repackaging and the big idea was a motorcycle and can pull tabs on her jacket.
Even Triple H’s NXT had some real stinkers
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Post by thehottag on Apr 29, 2022 14:35:12 GMT -5
The idea they were asked/implied to wear skimpier outfits backstage is too gross for words. You can't defend that in any way. If a film set leaned on it's actresses to show more skin off set when the cameras stopped rolling, there'd be an outcry quicker than you could say 'Harvey Weinstein'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 15:02:02 GMT -5
I am just waiting to finally fill out the last space on the throw these people into a wood chipper space on my bingo card by hearing another woman get told she isn't f***able.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 29, 2022 18:16:59 GMT -5
My two cents: There is nothing at all wrong with the eye candy element-when it is used in a way that adds rather than subtracts. Women wrestlers doing photoshoots for WWE.com or for fitness magazines is great, a way of cross promoting and raising their profile. Characters that revolve around their good looks such as the ever classic shallow, narcissistic heel is a given. Even eye candy events like a Summerslam bikini contest absolutely have their place. And further, Ember is a perfectly beautiful woman and I am confident she would more than rocked a more sexed up attire. That said, it was totally unnecessary for her. Her war goddess persona was over as it was, and as some others have mentioned its not like her attire in that gimmick was exactly modest anyway. The time to change her look up, such as maybe sexing it up a bit, was when it had worn out and her act needed to freshen up. But they never reached that point, they never used a gimmick that was lit up on its own to its fullest potential. Its like how they make Kairi Sane a "kabuki warrior" even though the pirate princess shtick was over like gangbusters, and in the process they missed out on huge money in terms of merchandising, Hell, before I wanted to see Ember get sexed up I'd have preferred see her in a tag team with pirate Kairi, the mash up entrance would have been a spectacle and a half. Here is the kicker though, and its a big one: If a woman doesn't want to dress up in skimpy clothing or "be sexed up", then they shouldn't be forced to, nor should they be punished for it either. Absolutely agreed. It’s not for every woman performer. I doubt they will ever suggest it to Rousey.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 29, 2022 19:13:37 GMT -5
Because in WWE world they aren't just athletes. I think WWE see's their stars like the Nba see's their players. They go to the games in suits and ties and only get changed for a game. There has been controversy surrounding about what men wear backstage as well(I know it's not the same thing) The thing is, NBA players barely go in suits and ties anymore. If anything, they either wear streetwear or stuff specifically designed to disgust Charles Barkley. Yeah they seemed to have seriously relaxed the dress code since David Stern retired. And good riddance.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on Apr 29, 2022 20:39:03 GMT -5
Chauvinistic Assholes
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Apr 30, 2022 8:13:24 GMT -5
It's funny to me that despite the "wear less" edicts, probably the woman who gets the most thirst online in her comments right now is Rhea.
Also, I'm fairly sure that the reason Athena mentioned Mandy was less as an insult, and more about the the fact Mandy's gimmick has basically always been PG rated Porn star, even down to her old entrance music.
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