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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 20:23:25 GMT -5
I’ll never understand why people get so huffy and try to disprove or downplay straight up numbers Right? No matter how people try to demean it on wrestling social platforms whatever the hell they are doing is working from a financial standpoint and that is the absolute goal for WWE.
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Post by Starshine on May 5, 2022 20:29:29 GMT -5
What can you say, it's the WWE way to get in completely late on a fad. What was the name of that early tiktok'esque social platform they were supporting for a minute? Tout? Tout. What's it all about?Wasn't that more a pre-empt to Vine, which in turn was a pre-empt to TikTok? Either way, it doesn't really matter if it never takes off.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 5, 2022 20:35:08 GMT -5
Some mega salty takes in this threaf It's so annoying tbh. This is such an innocuous thread and just people trying to shit on numbers that honestly you can't shit on. WWE is doing really well this quarter and Wrestlemania was a huge success. Are they giving you some numbers that make them look good? Um yeah, it's a corporate investor call. Every public corporation does this. It's business. It's so annoying that literally, every thread on this board has to be people just constantly shitting on WWE. But if you did the exact same thing on the AEW board, and talked any amount of shit about their product or ratings, you'd be called a troll or whatever.
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Post by sarkerpolseng on May 5, 2022 20:35:33 GMT -5
56 million people watched WrestleMania in India?!?!
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Post by Starshine on May 5, 2022 20:46:50 GMT -5
Some mega salty takes in this threaf It's so annoying tbh. This is such an innocuous thread and just people trying to shit on numbers that honestly you can't shit on. WWE is doing really well this quarter and Wrestlemania was a huge success. Are they giving you some numbers that make them look good? Um yeah, it's a corporate investor call. Every public corporation does this. It's business. It's so annoying that literally, every thread on this board has to be people just constantly shitting on WWE. But if you did the exact same thing on the AEW board, and talked any amount of shit about their product or ratings, you'd be called a troll or whatever. Is it okay if I make a couple of points here? 1) So I'm starting with the obnoxious "well, duh" part, so let's get it over with. This is a discussion forum, meaning people of differing backgrounds and opinions are going to share their own unique takes on news. If that annoys you so much, it's something you should reconcile with. 2) Bottom line numbers are not everything in a financial report. There's a lot more going on in any business that you have to understand Yes, these are good numbers for WWE, but it doesn't hide their significant growth and fan retention problems that will continue to plague them if they continue business as usual. They are the biggest dog in the game, yet they're not growing year-to-year when compared to the competition, there's a problem there. 3) It's not saltiness to call them out on perceived unethical and/or unjust business practices. Whatabouting AEW is not constructive either. They (and specifically Tony) get called out too when they do dumb things. They just presently do less objectionable things than WWE does.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 5, 2022 20:56:19 GMT -5
It's so annoying tbh. This is such an innocuous thread and just people trying to shit on numbers that honestly you can't shit on. WWE is doing really well this quarter and Wrestlemania was a huge success. Are they giving you some numbers that make them look good? Um yeah, it's a corporate investor call. Every public corporation does this. It's business. It's so annoying that literally, every thread on this board has to be people just constantly shitting on WWE. But if you did the exact same thing on the AEW board, and talked any amount of shit about their product or ratings, you'd be called a troll or whatever. Is it okay if I make a couple of points here? 1) So I'm starting with the obnoxious "well, duh" part, so let's get it over with. This is a discussion forum, meaning people of differing backgrounds and opinions are going to share their own unique takes on news. If that annoys you so much, it's something you should reconcile with. 2) Bottom line numbers are not everything in a financial report. There's a lot more going on in any business that you have to understand Yes, these are good numbers for WWE, but it doesn't hide their significant growth and fan retention problems that will continue to plague them if they continue business as usual. They are the biggest dog in the game, yet they're not growing year-to-year when compared to the competition, there's a problem there. 3) It's not saltiness to call them out on perceived unethical and/or unjust business practices. Whatabouting AEW is not constructive either. They (and specifically Tony) get called out too when they do dumb things. They just presently do less objectionable things than WWE does. 1. I know it's a discussion forum. I am pointing out the hypocrisy in how the discussion on this forum goes about. 2. I've worked for corporations. I know numbers are not the end all be all. But they did showcase numbers that show that fan interest isn't dying or as bad as people think. In fact, in certain parts of the world, the audience is growing in parts of the world. The competition also has way more room to grow as they occupy a different space. So growing for them is going to be easier for them than WWE. It's like Shake Shack was growing much more rapidly than McDonald but it still couldn't be as big as them as MCDs had such a hold that it's harder to get bigger than what it was at it's peak. 3. I do think it's saltiness because nothing in the investor's report was unethical or unjust business practices lol. People in this thread were talking about social media metrics that all companies use to showcase reach.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on May 5, 2022 20:58:41 GMT -5
The RPG should be something similar to Persona 4. An NXT student by day, investigating the latest murder and/or kidnapping in the car park by night. Mixed with Danganronpa. The Biggest, Most Awful, Most Tragic Event in Human History. December to Dismember. December to Despair would work as a name.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 5, 2022 21:23:36 GMT -5
Is it okay if I make a couple of points here? 1) So I'm starting with the obnoxious "well, duh" part, so let's get it over with. This is a discussion forum, meaning people of differing backgrounds and opinions are going to share their own unique takes on news. If that annoys you so much, it's something you should reconcile with. 2) Bottom line numbers are not everything in a financial report. There's a lot more going on in any business that you have to understand Yes, these are good numbers for WWE, but it doesn't hide their significant growth and fan retention problems that will continue to plague them if they continue business as usual. They are the biggest dog in the game, yet they're not growing year-to-year when compared to the competition, there's a problem there. 3) It's not saltiness to call them out on perceived unethical and/or unjust business practices. Whatabouting AEW is not constructive either. They (and specifically Tony) get called out too when they do dumb things. They just presently do less objectionable things than WWE does. 1. I know it's a discussion forum. I am pointing out the hypocrisy in how the discussion on this forum goes about. 2. I've worked for corporations. I know numbers are not the end all be all. But they did showcase numbers that show that fan interest isn't dying or as bad as people think. In fact, in certain parts of the world, the audience is growing in parts of the world. The competition also has way more room to grow as they occupy a different space. So growing for them is going to be easier for them than WWE. It's like Shake Shack was growing much more rapidly than McDonald but it still couldn't be as big as them as MCDs had such a hold that it's harder to get bigger than what it was at it's peak. 3. I do think it's saltiness because nothing in the investor's report was unethical or unjust business practices lol. People in this thread were talking about social media metrics that all companies use to showcase reach. Clocked me. I don't actually really think their 'if we combine both nights of Wrestlemania we did more twitter numbers than the Superbowl' is dork-ass lame shit, I'm just angry that they aren't revealing the slaughterhouses where children are being killed so Vince McMahon can bathe in their blood so it's straw-grasping time. Coming in like Dorothy with a bucket of water there.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 5, 2022 21:56:21 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 5, 2022 23:55:18 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that. There's also the issue that growth is not unlimited, and sooner or later WWE will reach their ceiling. Look at the bloodletting they've done in the last couple of years to prop up their already excellent numbers and keep the investors happy. Eventually the numbers are going to stop growing as much, then stabilise. Then what? There's only so much talent you can cut, so many office employees you can let go, and so many production assets you can downsize before the company begins to eat itself. Inflating the current figures to ridiculous levels now when they don't need to is short sighted.
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Post by Dub H on May 6, 2022 0:56:25 GMT -5
They became a business to business company so ratings being down, fan interest dying etc, doesn't matter anymore. They fan proofed their business, that a long with being the only game in town so long means no matter how bad the show is they'll always have a base. You basically have a company that could air 3 hours of a monkey throwing shit into a basket and they'd sell 40k to their stadium show that month. A lot of those notes kinda indicate that fan interest isn't dying but ok. I mean I deifnitelty wouldnt say its failing or anything but the WM viewership is extremely misleading when you combined the viewership of 2 nights,which sounds like they did
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Post by Dub H on May 6, 2022 0:57:03 GMT -5
Great...another RPG for Critical Role to f*** up the expectations for. Anyone know where I can pick up a copy of _Champions of the Galaxy_? Well we did have Sam doing a Vince McMahon impression once,I say Bring It.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 6, 2022 2:35:56 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that. Did they say WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl? It says right there that it was second to it in terms of people watching on Peacock. There's a much touted view that all of the WWE's fans are literally about to die and they can't make new fans. Having enormous social media numbers is a relevant counter to that, and what WrestleMania did in comparison to the SB puts that into some context. But again, it's one number on an earnings call full of them.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 6, 2022 2:39:37 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that. There's also the issue that growth is not unlimited, and sooner or later WWE will reach their ceiling. Look at the bloodletting they've done in the last couple of years to prop up their already excellent numbers and keep the investors happy. Eventually the numbers are going to stop growing as much, then stabilise. Then what? There's only so much talent you can cut, so many office employees you can let go, and so many production assets you can downsize before the company begins to eat itself. Inflating the current figures to ridiculous levels now when they don't need to is short sighted. It’s basically the issue Netflix has right now. Wall Street are panicking because they lost 200,000 subscribers which, compared to their 210m subscribers, is like panicking that the milk expired when you have a full fridge of food and drink still.
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Post by thehottag on May 6, 2022 2:40:11 GMT -5
More "eyes" on the product, more potential consumers They're not "on" the product, though, it's on social media. You might as well bring up how many people you overheard talking about WWE on the bus, for all the difference it makes to the bottom line.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2022 2:58:28 GMT -5
The arguments in this thread are head turning imo. Like, you absolutely know they combined both nights of Mania to say they beat the one night of the Superbowl to conflate to their investors that they are a bigger deal. WrestleMania's social media engagement is half that number if they just go on as normal, and that's not me being a dick, it's simply me stating the obvious, if the Superbowl had a Semi-Final round and then did the actual Superbowl the next day, they'd have double the social numbers too!
And the conflating of revenue from all the cutting and bloodletting they've been doing is also being ignored here. They are constantly cutting talent due to "budget cuts" and it continues to look f***ing egregious and gross when they are making "record quarters" like this. They're doing absolutely everything they can to build up this number and keep it high so everyone thinks everything is fine. Note how Mania is the ONLY thing mentioned here, no other PPVs, the TV Shows, nothing, it's Mania's nights, combined into one, to make both relevance and interest in the product imo seem greater than it is, and that's business, it's an investors call, but people in this thread essentially calling others "salty hypocrites" for pointing this shit out doesn't really help the discussion, it only makes it worse, especially for, whatever reason, other wrestling companies are brought in that have literally nothing to do with this, not even from a numbers perspective, just to take potshots at them, yet the people arguing the numbers are a bit fluffed are being labeled the problem here? Idk about that one chief, I know I'm harsh on WWE, but not trusting a company and having very sound reasoning and examples as to why they're doing shit and y'know, not trusting what the company that always lies and bullshits says, seems pretty logical and not from a place of malice.
WWE is growing because Nick Khan is shredding anything that isn't worth being kept nailed down and the Saudi Deal absolutely helps continue to buff this shit to the moon, and as was pointed out, there's only so high it can go before it dips, and there's only so long imo, things like the new cheap way to try and make new talents and "Mania level stars" in like half a year, can hold out while they keep finding other ways to cut, and keep that number rising higher. It's not exactly a sustainable system, but who knows if that's the plan, I still have it in the back of my mind that they want WWE's numbers to look and sound as sexy as possible for a potential sale... but who knows.
Also lmfao at them getting into NFT's right when they're dying. They sucked and were a giant scam to begin with but lmfao at them having the pulse on trends as always... if they actually go through with that, the "Not doing anything harmful" argument goes out the window... y'know if you also ignore the Saudi deal also just always consistently being pretty damn unethical too lol
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Post by Bo Rida on May 6, 2022 3:05:19 GMT -5
3. I do think it's saltiness because nothing in the investor's report was unethical or unjust business practices lol. They're almost certainly causing damage to the environment by selling more glorified jpegs. You can power a house in the United States for 4.7 days with the energy being used to mint an NFT. www.vice.com/en/article/bvnp95/what-nft-environment-impact-climate-crypto-explainerAnd of course their financial performance is always viewed in context of their many releases.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2022 3:08:13 GMT -5
It’s basically the issue Netflix has right now. Wall Street are panicking because they lost 200,000 subscribers which, compared to their 210m subscribers, is like panicking that the milk expired when you have a full fridge of food and drink still. Indeed. Make no mistake, WWE will be absolutely fine when they reach their ceiling; they'll still be making obscene piles of money hand over fist, but the investors will still freak out because they won't be making as much profit. Pulling out a "WrestleMania is bigger than the SuperBowl" won't be any less ridiculous, but hearing that for the first time then would go some way to alleviating the panic, especially if a TV contract renewal is imminent that they'll be able to crow about in the next quarter or two.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 6, 2022 3:13:30 GMT -5
More "eyes" on the product, more potential consumers They're not "on" the product, though, it's on social media. You might as well bring up how many people you overheard talking about WWE on the bus, for all the difference it makes to the bottom line. Like, to me, when you bring up social media, you’d have to correlate that to the actual viewership of the show and what it tells me is that people are willing to talk about your shows but not watch them. The flip side of the “we did Peacock’s biggest numbers” thing is that, yes, you got people to watch WrestleMania and hey, you got them to watch some of the build but those people aren’t watching now. Some of it has to do with the NBA playoffs, absolutely, and they’re still doing the same demos they need to so it’s also not a massive issue but you read that from them.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 6, 2022 3:54:39 GMT -5
The arguments in this thread are head turning imo. Like, you absolutely know they combined both nights of Mania to say they beat the one night of the Superbowl to conflate to their investors that they are a bigger deal. WrestleMania's social media engagement is half that number if they just go on as normal, and that's not me being a dick, it's simply me stating the obvious, if the Superbowl had a Semi-Final round and then did the actual Superbowl the next day, they'd have double the social numbers too! And the conflating of revenue from all the cutting and bloodletting they've been doing is also being ignored here. They are constantly cutting talent due to "budget cuts" and it continues to look f***ing egregious and gross when they are making "record quarters" like this. They're doing absolutely everything they can to build up this number and keep it high so everyone thinks everything is fine. Note how Mania is the ONLY thing mentioned here, no other PPVs, the TV Shows, nothing, it's Mania's nights, combined into one, to make both relevance and interest in the product imo seem greater than it is, and that's business, it's an investors call, but people in this thread essentially calling others "salty hypocrites" for pointing this shit out doesn't really help the discussion, it only makes it worse, especially for, whatever reason, other wrestling companies are brought in that have literally nothing to do with this, not even from a numbers perspective, just to take potshots at them, yet the people arguing the numbers are a bit fluffed are being labeled the problem here? Idk about that one chief, I know I'm harsh on WWE, but not trusting a company and having very sound reasoning and examples as to why they're doing shit and y'know, not trusting what the company that always lies and bullshits says, seems pretty logical and not from a place of malice. WWE is growing because Nick Khan is shredding anything that isn't worth being kept nailed down and the Saudi Deal absolutely helps continue to buff this shit to the moon, and as was pointed out, there's only so high it can go before it dips, and there's only so long imo, things like the new cheap way to try and make new talents and "Mania level stars" in like half a year, can hold out while they keep finding other ways to cut, and keep that number rising higher. It's not exactly a sustainable system, but who knows if that's the plan, I still have it in the back of my mind that they want WWE's numbers to look and sound as sexy as possible for a potential sale... but who knows. Also lmfao at them getting into NFT's right when they're dying. They sucked and were a giant scam to begin with but lmfao at them having the pulse on trends as always... if they actually go through with that, the "Not doing anything harmful" argument goes out the window... y'know if you also ignore the Saudi deal also just always consistently being pretty damn unethical too lol I think you've missed quite significantly on what revenue actually is there. 'Yeah but next time' is what people have been saying about WWE's business performance for years upon years. That's why it's a little salty. You definitely don't have to like the WWE, but people tie themselves in knots trying to prove that actually nobody likes it, it's a failing business and all these massive numbers are just smoke and mirrors.
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