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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 6, 2022 4:08:29 GMT -5
The arguments in this thread are head turning imo. Like, you absolutely know they combined both nights of Mania to say they beat the one night of the Superbowl to conflate to their investors that they are a bigger deal. WrestleMania's social media engagement is half that number if they just go on as normal, and that's not me being a dick, it's simply me stating the obvious, if the Superbowl had a Semi-Final round and then did the actual Superbowl the next day, they'd have double the social numbers too! And the conflating of revenue from all the cutting and bloodletting they've been doing is also being ignored here. They are constantly cutting talent due to "budget cuts" and it continues to look f***ing egregious and gross when they are making "record quarters" like this. They're doing absolutely everything they can to build up this number and keep it high so everyone thinks everything is fine. Note how Mania is the ONLY thing mentioned here, no other PPVs, the TV Shows, nothing, it's Mania's nights, combined into one, to make both relevance and interest in the product imo seem greater than it is, and that's business, it's an investors call, but people in this thread essentially calling others "salty hypocrites" for pointing this shit out doesn't really help the discussion, it only makes it worse, especially for, whatever reason, other wrestling companies are brought in that have literally nothing to do with this, not even from a numbers perspective, just to take potshots at them, yet the people arguing the numbers are a bit fluffed are being labeled the problem here? Idk about that one chief, I know I'm harsh on WWE, but not trusting a company and having very sound reasoning and examples as to why they're doing shit and y'know, not trusting what the company that always lies and bullshits says, seems pretty logical and not from a place of malice. WWE is growing because Nick Khan is shredding anything that isn't worth being kept nailed down and the Saudi Deal absolutely helps continue to buff this shit to the moon, and as was pointed out, there's only so high it can go before it dips, and there's only so long imo, things like the new cheap way to try and make new talents and "Mania level stars" in like half a year, can hold out while they keep finding other ways to cut, and keep that number rising higher. It's not exactly a sustainable system, but who knows if that's the plan, I still have it in the back of my mind that they want WWE's numbers to look and sound as sexy as possible for a potential sale... but who knows. Also lmfao at them getting into NFT's right when they're dying. They sucked and were a giant scam to begin with but lmfao at them having the pulse on trends as always... if they actually go through with that, the "Not doing anything harmful" argument goes out the window... y'know if you also ignore the Saudi deal also just always consistently being pretty damn unethical too lol I think you've missed quite significantly on what revenue actually is there. 'Yeah but next time' is what people have been saying about WWE's business performance for years upon years. That's why it's a little salty. You definitely don't have to like the WWE, but people tie themselves in knots trying to prove that actually nobody likes it, it's a failing business and all these massive numbers are just smoke and mirrors. I wouldn't call WWE a failing business, but I'm also not sure I'd call it a growing one at this point in time either. That aside, I would absolutely call some of the shit they are doing blatant inflation and smoke and mirrors to keep the investors happy as can be. Mania is now a two night event they conflate into one to look even better and more awe inspiring than it is, that's just facts. The budget bloodletting they've been doing along with the Saudi deal helps a ton in keeping these numbers going up, as will the potential TV renewals, on top of people who haven't been able to really go out and view wrestling coming out more and more as the pandemic shifts more into an endemic, these things factor into increases. I don't think it's salty in saying this stuff and pointing it out because they've done it before, nor is it to simply wonder if the profits are going to reach a ceiling, because behind the scenes you seen what WWE has shut down and how they keep cutting talents, which they want to seemingly make a few month schedule, it's never going to make their "record profits" look great or clean as a whistle, so to speak. The product has turned a lot of people away in the past decade and even before then in different chunks, I don't think that's crazy to say, but of course they still have fans, especially ones who come back and watch and consume WrestleMania, The Rumble, and Summerslam, but in turn have tuned out the TV Shows and other PPV's significantly, we have those even here on FAN. Which is also on WWE in some regards for making them seem less important and in some cases on complete autopilot, which when you're making these profits, they basically can no matter who hates it. Vince and Nick Khan seemingly just know how to funnel profit no matter what they do, which is why so many people have said WWE is "Idiot Proof", it's not a company that "Nobody likes" anymore, but when they puff out their chests, people who have read up on their bullshit simply sniff it out, and point it out. For me it's not out of malice to say "F*** WWE", it's just what a lot of us have seen for years and frankly see at most of these calls, it's been a pattern, it's good on the surface but a lot of people know why, and it ain't all sunshine and rainbows I guess.
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on May 6, 2022 4:16:35 GMT -5
To all the yea-sayers, always remember: nothing is too big to fail.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 6, 2022 6:32:07 GMT -5
I think you've missed quite significantly on what revenue actually is there. 'Yeah but next time' is what people have been saying about WWE's business performance for years upon years. That's why it's a little salty. You definitely don't have to like the WWE, but people tie themselves in knots trying to prove that actually nobody likes it, it's a failing business and all these massive numbers are just smoke and mirrors. I wouldn't call WWE a failing business, but I'm also not sure I'd call it a growing one at this point in time either. That aside, I would absolutely call some of the shit they are doing blatant inflation and smoke and mirrors to keep the investors happy as can be. Mania is now a two night event they conflate into one to look even better and more awe inspiring than it is, that's just facts. The budget bloodletting they've been doing along with the Saudi deal helps a ton in keeping these numbers going up, as will the potential TV renewals, on top of people who haven't been able to really go out and view wrestling coming out more and more as the pandemic shifts more into an endemic, these things factor into increases. I don't think it's salty in saying this stuff and pointing it out because they've done it before, nor is it to simply wonder if the profits are going to reach a ceiling, because behind the scenes you seen what WWE has shut down and how they keep cutting talents, which they want to seemingly make a few month schedule, it's never going to make their "record profits" look great or clean as a whistle, so to speak. The product has turned a lot of people away in the past decade and even before then in different chunks, I don't think that's crazy to say, but of course they still have fans, especially ones who come back and watch and consume WrestleMania, The Rumble, and Summerslam, but in turn have tuned out the TV Shows and other PPV's significantly, we have those even here on FAN. Which is also on WWE in some regards for making them seem less important and in some cases on complete autopilot, which when you're making these profits, they basically can no matter who hates it. Vince and Nick Khan seemingly just know how to funnel profit no matter what they do, which is why so many people have said WWE is "Idiot Proof", it's not a company that "Nobody likes" anymore, but when they puff out their chests, people who have read up on their bullshit simply sniff it out, and point it out. For me it's not out of malice to say "F*** WWE", it's just what a lot of us have seen for years and frankly see at most of these calls, it's been a pattern, it's good on the surface but a lot of people know why, and it ain't all sunshine and rainbows I guess. Of course, if you take away the Saudi deal, the TV contracts, all of their major events, their social media popularity and compare their TV ratings to 2001... they aren't doing very well. That is true. Puff out their chests? It's an investor call, what are you expecting them to say? And, "Oh, well the Wrestlemania numbers are only so big because they managed to double their biggest event in size" - is not the negative you think it is.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 6, 2022 7:09:02 GMT -5
A lot of those notes kinda indicate that fan interest isn't dying but ok. I mean I deifnitelty wouldnt say its failing or anything but the WM viewership is extremely misleading when you combined the viewership of 2 nights,which sounds like they did Viewership was up compared to last year's Wrestlemania. The same Wrestlemania that was on peacock as well and was 2 nights as well.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 6, 2022 7:17:24 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that. It literally didn't say it was bigger than the Superbowl. "WWE said WrestleMania was the second-most viewed event on the streaming platform, behind only the Super Bowl." Using social media stats is a way(a valid way that every corporation uses) to showcase brand reach and how well known your brand is. Of course, the Superbowl is a larger event but to be in the conversation with the Superbowl for social media brand and outreach is HIGHLY impressive. Like I feel like sometimes people just read what they want to hear & take from it whatever fits their idea when you can literally just read what they're saying and it's not saying what you think it's saying.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 6, 2022 7:20:14 GMT -5
"In terms of television viewership, Raw has declined 7% year-over-year from 1.858 million viewers per episode in 2021 Q1 to 1.721 million viewers in 2022 Q1. Primetime cable viewership has also gone down year-over-year at an even steeper decline, down 11%. As for the USA Network, Raw’s television home in the United States, the network’s viewership was up 3% year-over-year, but that’s with the benefit of the Winter Olympics airing on the network. According to WWE, USA Network’s viewership was down 15% year-over-year excluding the Winter Olympics."
Raw's viewership is declining but much slower than the rest of Cable TV & the USA network.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 6, 2022 7:21:48 GMT -5
Here's my position. WWE is in fantastic financial shape. They regularly have one of the top shows on cable and broadcast television every week. They produce five hours of highly rated content a week for the entire year. They offer an unmatched video library. They're getting hundreds of millions of dollars a year and are poised to see increases again in two years. There are so many metrics that would tell you that they're a successful company. The issue is when you continue to lead with statistics that are so absurd on the surface, you lose credibility in my eyes. When you use a statistic to show that WrestleMania was larger than the Super Bowl, that's just telling me that it's a bullshit statistic. I'm sure it's a legit number. But then it doesn't matter. We all know that the Super Bowl is magnitudes larger. It's not even in the same ballpark. So the solution is - just don't make that comparison. You're not a failing business that needs to make up shit to sell your product. You have honest to god solid stuff to sell. Use that. It literally didn't say it was bigger than the Superbowl. "WWE said WrestleMania was the second-most viewed event on the streaming platform, behind only the Super Bowl." Using social media stats is a way(a valid way that every corporation uses) to showcase brand reach and how well known your brand is. Of course, the Superbowl is a larger event but to be in the conversation with the Superbowl for social media brand and outreach is HIGHLY impressive. Like I feel like sometimes people just read what they want to hear & take from it whatever fits their idea when you can literally just read what they're saying and it's not saying what you think it's saying. Just Google "WrestleMania Super Bowl" and you'll see tons of headlines saying that Mania beat them on social media. Which I'm sure is true using whatever metrics they've found. My point is - if you've found a metric where you beat the Super Bowl, it must be a meaningless metric and it should be discarded. If someone showed me an advanced metric where Lonzo Ball was a more valuable player than Michael Jordan, that would tell me that whatever stat you're using sucks and you got to find a better one.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 6, 2022 8:02:10 GMT -5
It literally didn't say it was bigger than the Superbowl. "WWE said WrestleMania was the second-most viewed event on the streaming platform, behind only the Super Bowl." Using social media stats is a way(a valid way that every corporation uses) to showcase brand reach and how well known your brand is. Of course, the Superbowl is a larger event but to be in the conversation with the Superbowl for social media brand and outreach is HIGHLY impressive. Like I feel like sometimes people just read what they want to hear & take from it whatever fits their idea when you can literally just read what they're saying and it's not saying what you think it's saying. Just Google "WrestleMania Super Bowl" and you'll see tons of headlines saying that Mania beat them on social media. Which I'm sure is true using whatever metrics they've found. My point is - if you've found a metric where you beat the Super Bowl, it must be a meaningless metric and it should be discarded. If someone showed me an advanced metric where Lonzo Ball was a more valuable player than Michael Jordan, that would tell me that whatever stat you're using sucks and you got to find a better one. The top result searching 'Wrestlemania Superbowl" with no keyword sweetening is a Forbes article titled "WrestleMania Beats Super Bowl On Social Media" from Alfred Konuwa, who is one of the journalists WWE gets friendly with, so the headlines aren't even coming from some bottom rung powerslampress.blogspot.facebook.com sensationalism.
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Post by Legion on May 6, 2022 11:07:44 GMT -5
Bubbles going to burst eventually, so may as well rake it in while they can.
And they are raking it in.
Which, as we always get to in these threads if why they dont/wont listen and dont/wont change.
Because they dont need to at the moment, they will need to eventually, but whether they have the capacity to do so is a whole other thread.
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Post by schizo on May 6, 2022 11:11:21 GMT -5
Threads like these really bring out the WWE doom and gloomers lol, WWE releases some impressive numbers, rather overexaggerated or not, and all we get is “yeah well, nonthing is to big to fail, “yeah well those numbers won’t last”, “yeah well they still lost TONS of fans!”. Like wow!. The saltyness is real around here lol. All we know business could be blooming in 5 years and will still be healthy and still be doing good, if not better then they are now. No one knows for sure. But I guess that’s not the narrative we’re pushing around here. nope
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Post by salz4life on May 6, 2022 11:15:21 GMT -5
Eli Manning getting the mega-push, brother?
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Post by salz4life on May 6, 2022 11:17:59 GMT -5
Of course they're getting into NFTs as the market is crashing and burning, as people realize that it's a giant scam. What can you say, it's the WWE way to get in completely late on a fad. Still seems earlier than usual for WWE. LOL
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 6, 2022 11:22:44 GMT -5
It literally didn't say it was bigger than the Superbowl. "WWE said WrestleMania was the second-most viewed event on the streaming platform, behind only the Super Bowl." Using social media stats is a way(a valid way that every corporation uses) to showcase brand reach and how well known your brand is. Of course, the Superbowl is a larger event but to be in the conversation with the Superbowl for social media brand and outreach is HIGHLY impressive. Like I feel like sometimes people just read what they want to hear & take from it whatever fits their idea when you can literally just read what they're saying and it's not saying what you think it's saying. Just Google "WrestleMania Super Bowl" and you'll see tons of headlines saying that Mania beat them on social media. Which I'm sure is true using whatever metrics they've found. My point is - if you've found a metric where you beat the Super Bowl, it must be a meaningless metric and it should be discarded. If someone showed me an advanced metric where Lonzo Ball was a more valuable player than Michael Jordan, that would tell me that whatever stat you're using sucks and you got to find a better one. Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. You start saying that they say WrestleMania beat the Super Bowl on social media, and then say any metric where they beat the Super Bowl must be meaningless, but miss off the 'on social media' part. There are actually lots of metrics where WrestleMania would beat the Super Bowl - most wrestling fans in attendance, most replica belts on show, most beers chugged during the event and yeah, most social media impressions apparently. How important you deem them is up you, but in the year 2022 it's hard to argue social media numbers carry no relevance at all. If Lonzo Ball wanted to say he has more Instagram followers than Michael Jordan, that would just be a fact. If he used that to say that makes him a better player than MJ, then that would be nonsense. To my knowledge, the WWE have not said that WrestleMania is bigger than the Super Bowl as a whole.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 6, 2022 11:39:26 GMT -5
Just Google "WrestleMania Super Bowl" and you'll see tons of headlines saying that Mania beat them on social media. Which I'm sure is true using whatever metrics they've found. My point is - if you've found a metric where you beat the Super Bowl, it must be a meaningless metric and it should be discarded. If someone showed me an advanced metric where Lonzo Ball was a more valuable player than Michael Jordan, that would tell me that whatever stat you're using sucks and you got to find a better one. Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. You start saying that they say WrestleMania beat the Super Bowl on social media, and then say any metric where they beat the Super Bowl must be meaningless, but miss off the 'on social media' part. There are actually lots of metrics where WrestleMania would beat the Super Bowl - most wrestling fans in attendance, most replica belts on show, most beers chugged during the event and yeah, most social media impressions apparently. How important you deem them is up you, but in the year 2022 it's hard to argue social media numbers carry no relevance at all. If Lonzo Ball wanted to say he has more Instagram followers than Michael Jordan, that would just be a fact. If he used that to say that makes him a better player than MJ, then that would be nonsense. To my knowledge, the WWE have not said that WrestleMania is bigger than the Super Bowl as a whole. I'm saying it is a meaningless number for the purposes of reporting information to shareholders and they should focus on actual metrics that matter for their bottom line.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 6, 2022 12:04:39 GMT -5
I'm saying it is a meaningless number for the purposes of reporting information to shareholders and they should focus on actual metrics that matter for their bottom line. Indeed. As a great example of how irrelevant social media impressions truly are, the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut hashtag had 34.7 billion unique social media impressions, and resulted in HBO Max's least-watched major release. WrestleMania having 2.2 billion social media impressions might sound impressive to an investor with little working knowledge of social media, but when you consider that as much of 60% of traffic on social media is just bots that figure becomes even more meaningless.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 12:21:57 GMT -5
The arguments in this thread are head turning imo. Like, you absolutely know they combined both nights of Mania to say they beat the one night of the Superbowl to conflate to their investors that they are a bigger deal. WrestleMania's social media engagement is half that number if they just go on as normal, and that's not me being a dick, it's simply me stating the obvious, if the Superbowl had a Semi-Final round and then did the actual Superbowl the next day, they'd have double the social numbers too! And the conflating of revenue from all the cutting and bloodletting they've been doing is also being ignored here. They are constantly cutting talent due to "budget cuts" and it continues to look f***ing egregious and gross when they are making "record quarters" like this. They're doing absolutely everything they can to build up this number and keep it high so everyone thinks everything is fine. Note how Mania is the ONLY thing mentioned here, no other PPVs, the TV Shows, nothing, it's Mania's nights, combined into one, to make both relevance and interest in the product imo seem greater than it is, and that's business, it's an investors call, but people in this thread essentially calling others "salty hypocrites" for pointing this shit out doesn't really help the discussion, it only makes it worse, especially for, whatever reason, other wrestling companies are brought in that have literally nothing to do with this, not even from a numbers perspective, just to take potshots at them, yet the people arguing the numbers are a bit fluffed are being labeled the problem here? Idk about that one chief, I know I'm harsh on WWE, but not trusting a company and having very sound reasoning and examples as to why they're doing shit and y'know, not trusting what the company that always lies and bullshits says, seems pretty logical and not from a place of malice. WWE is growing because Nick Khan is shredding anything that isn't worth being kept nailed down and the Saudi Deal absolutely helps continue to buff this shit to the moon, and as was pointed out, there's only so high it can go before it dips, and there's only so long imo, things like the new cheap way to try and make new talents and "Mania level stars" in like half a year, can hold out while they keep finding other ways to cut, and keep that number rising higher. It's not exactly a sustainable system, but who knows if that's the plan, I still have it in the back of my mind that they want WWE's numbers to look and sound as sexy as possible for a potential sale... but who knows. Also lmfao at them getting into NFT's right when they're dying. They sucked and were a giant scam to begin with but lmfao at them having the pulse on trends as always... if they actually go through with that, the "Not doing anything harmful" argument goes out the window... y'know if you also ignore the Saudi deal also just always consistently being pretty damn unethical too lol This has nothing to do with talent though regardless of everyone's own ethical perception of how a business should be run. Companies rarely pay people out of goodwill and turn a profit...That mindset is one of the reasons ROH failed. It is nearly impossible to still be a wwe fan in most places on social media when just a few years ago it was fun to be a fan.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 6, 2022 12:35:39 GMT -5
The arguments in this thread are head turning imo. Like, you absolutely know they combined both nights of Mania to say they beat the one night of the Superbowl to conflate to their investors that they are a bigger deal. WrestleMania's social media engagement is half that number if they just go on as normal, and that's not me being a dick, it's simply me stating the obvious, if the Superbowl had a Semi-Final round and then did the actual Superbowl the next day, they'd have double the social numbers too! And the conflating of revenue from all the cutting and bloodletting they've been doing is also being ignored here. They are constantly cutting talent due to "budget cuts" and it continues to look f***ing egregious and gross when they are making "record quarters" like this. They're doing absolutely everything they can to build up this number and keep it high so everyone thinks everything is fine. Note how Mania is the ONLY thing mentioned here, no other PPVs, the TV Shows, nothing, it's Mania's nights, combined into one, to make both relevance and interest in the product imo seem greater than it is, and that's business, it's an investors call, but people in this thread essentially calling others "salty hypocrites" for pointing this shit out doesn't really help the discussion, it only makes it worse, especially for, whatever reason, other wrestling companies are brought in that have literally nothing to do with this, not even from a numbers perspective, just to take potshots at them, yet the people arguing the numbers are a bit fluffed are being labeled the problem here? Idk about that one chief, I know I'm harsh on WWE, but not trusting a company and having very sound reasoning and examples as to why they're doing shit and y'know, not trusting what the company that always lies and bullshits says, seems pretty logical and not from a place of malice. WWE is growing because Nick Khan is shredding anything that isn't worth being kept nailed down and the Saudi Deal absolutely helps continue to buff this shit to the moon, and as was pointed out, there's only so high it can go before it dips, and there's only so long imo, things like the new cheap way to try and make new talents and "Mania level stars" in like half a year, can hold out while they keep finding other ways to cut, and keep that number rising higher. It's not exactly a sustainable system, but who knows if that's the plan, I still have it in the back of my mind that they want WWE's numbers to look and sound as sexy as possible for a potential sale... but who knows. Also lmfao at them getting into NFT's right when they're dying. They sucked and were a giant scam to begin with but lmfao at them having the pulse on trends as always... if they actually go through with that, the "Not doing anything harmful" argument goes out the window... y'know if you also ignore the Saudi deal also just always consistently being pretty damn unethical too lol This has nothing to do with talent though regardless of everyone's own ethical perception of how a business should be run. Companies rarely pay people out of goodwill and turn a profit... That mindset is one of the reasons ROH failed. It is nearly impossible to still be a wwe fan here and in most places on social media when just a few years ago it was fun to be a fan. No it wasn't. Sinclair lost tons of money in other ventures that run budgets and costs way higher than anything ROH could ever have dreamt of spending, and ROH was one of the corners cut to make up for that.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 12:40:31 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with talent though regardless of everyone's own ethical perception of how a business should be run. Companies rarely pay people out of goodwill and turn a profit... That mindset is one of the reasons ROH failed. It is nearly impossible to still be a wwe fan here and in most places on social media when just a few years ago it was fun to be a fan. No it wasn't. Sinclair lost tons of money in other ventures that run budgets and costs way higher than anything ROH could ever have dreamt of spending, and ROH was one of the corners cut to make up for that. Well yes all of that is a snowball accumulation and it was reported throughout their closure and sale that continuing during the pandemic was a huge hit for them in relation to the ROH budget. These arguments about ROH, AEW, etc that continue to happen in WWE threads are always just deflections from the fact that so many people are bitter about WWE and want others to be bitter to. Problem is that is okay but the same frustration isn't afforded elsewhere.
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Post by gnr123 on May 6, 2022 12:41:14 GMT -5
Threads like these really bring out the WWE doom and gloomers lol, WWE releases some impressive numbers, rather overexaggerated or not, and all we get is “yeah well, nonthing is to big to fail, “yeah well those numbers won’t last”, “yeah well they still lost TONS of fans!”. Like wow!. The saltyness is real around here lol. All we know business could be blooming in 5 years and will still be healthy and still be doing good, if not better then they are now. No one knows for sure. But I guess that’s not the narrative we’re pushing around here. nope Funny because that same mindset was what I saw TWELVE YEARS AGO on another forum. "WWE is dying", "WWE has run out of idea's", "John Cena's killing the WWE", "PG is killing the WWE". All the while WWE were selling out arena's every night, getting better rating's than they are now and making 1 Billion or so in revenge every year. But, according to some people WWE was on it's last breath, 12 years ago. Yet here we are in 2022, and WWE still shows no signs of stopping.
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Post by Cyno on May 6, 2022 12:45:10 GMT -5
No it wasn't. Sinclair lost tons of money in other ventures that run budgets and costs way higher than anything ROH could ever have dreamt of spending, and ROH was one of the corners cut to make up for that. Well yes all of that is a snowball accumulation and it was reported throughout their closure and sale that continuing during the pandemic was a huge hit for them. These arguments about ROH, AEW, etc that continue to happen in WWE threads are always just deflections from the fact that so many people are bitter about WWE and want others to be bitter to. Problem is that is okay but the same frustration isn't afforded elsewhere. The people deflecting to ROH, AEW, etc on this thread are the ones defending WWE. Like you.
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