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Post by joeiscool on May 22, 2022 12:41:26 GMT -5
I understand the common nature to side with the person over the company but no one will convince me that walking out over creative (and not a breach of contract on WWE's part in negligence, sexual harassment etc) is justifiable in a performing arts industry whether these people get paid hourly, salary, or in food stamps. You do not just walk off the damn job because you did not get your way. "Sasha Banks" is WWE intellectual property and she absolutely has written documents to perform as that character and wholeheartedly agreed to do. Hell if an actor walks away or has a dispute 9 out of 10 times they kill off the character in a tv series and move on. Fans get so caught up in the emotional aspect of what they believe these wrestlers deserve from a creative standpoint and just how they feel about the workers in general that they fail to realize this is still a job and not just a passion play for the people involved. If legit reasons other than creative come up then those should absolutely be taken into account but this social media positioning of them as martyrs or the lesser of two evils is frustrating and makes me pretty upset at them as a fan. I am not even trying to defend WWE intentionally as they will do what WWE does to benefit WWE. The fact that we are surprised by it but not shocked is almost funny in itself. I just simply do not defend abandoning post. Some people have used the blindsided releases of WWE to justify this and it's actually not the same either considering their pay does not just stop most times...The entire 90-day period IS that paid transition period even if it's designed to cool them off professionally. 1) We do not, in fact, know this was just over creative. 2) If it was, f*** WWE anyway. 3) No, seriously, f*** WWE anyway. I was a professional actor for a decade and if I had ever been treated the way WWE treats their "independent contractors" I would have walked out. And I could do that, because I was actually an independent contractor.
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 12:51:02 GMT -5
So Sasha has been hanging out in Prince's house and lastnight was on Stage with Steve Aoki. Sasha could not give less of a shit about any of this drama she out here living her life just laughing it up.  It is funny though there is still this narrative being spun in some parts that Sasha is somehow gonna just have a career collapse without WWE...cue Sasha laughing harder. If anything she's probably not a good one for them to play the petty game with she has resources to battle with them and they absolutely don't want lawyers going over their contracts to poke holes. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 22, 2022 12:54:28 GMT -5
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. If you’re an actor on a big enough shoot, you’re likely a part of the union and the studio wouldn’t want to try and smear said actor about it because they’d anger the union and most big studios don’t want to do that. So the likely thing that’d happen is that there would be a meeting and both sides would find a middle ground so then the shoot isn’t off for too long. Wrestlers, and we can’t stress this enough, do not have these options. No union, no locker room backing and no meeting to come up with a solution when the company itself clearly doesn’t want it. Pretty much like most independent contractors. |
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Post by HMARK Center on May 22, 2022 13:16:37 GMT -5
God, reading some peoples reaction to CM Punk’s tweet on the matter shows there’s way too many fans with Punk Derangement Syndrome.
“He says support the workers. But look at how he treated Colt, Ryback, Miz, and Daffney!”
Like…dude said to support workers *against the office*, not that you have to like or even publicly pretend to like your coworkers. Huge friggin’ difference! And for the people I saw online bringing Daffney up, that was a big tell those folks are just about gossipy drama, as by all accounts they were still on decent terms after their breakup that happened, y’know, *twenty friggin’ years ago*.
Glad not to have seen it here. But good lord, people bemoan their larger discourse around pro wrestling and then contribute to shit like *that*.
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 13:22:02 GMT -5
God, reading some peoples reaction to CM Punk’s tweet on the matter shows there’s way too many fans with Punk Derangement Syndrome. “He says support the workers. But look at how he treated Colt, Ryback, Miz, and Daffney!” Like…dude said to support workers *against the office*, not that you have to like or even publicly pretend to like your coworkers. Huge friggin’ difference! And for the people I saw online bringing Daffney up, that was a big tell those folks are just about gossipy drama, as by all accounts they were still on decent terms after their breakup that happened, y’know, *twenty friggin’ years ago*. Glad not to have seen it here. But good lord, people bemoan their larger discourse around pro wrestling and then contribute to shit like *that*. If you're on twitter it's literally the Edrones, WWE can do no wrong so they attack everyone. |
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Post by The Captain on May 22, 2022 13:22:37 GMT -5
I've never seen studios be this openly petty even with the actors with the worst behavior. Though they would quietly blacklist people for doing such heinous things as refuse the advances of serial sexual predators.
Even with unions like SAG-AFTRA, the studio heads have a huge power advantage. It's even worse for a company like WWE where there are no unions to give even minimal protection to the talent.
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Post by sportatorium on May 22, 2022 13:36:25 GMT -5
How long until WWE are publicly addressing them as Mercedes Varnado & Trinity Fatu? I can't remember which site was showing Pat McAfee's facials as Cole had to read that nonsense statement Friday night and those expressions pretty well sum up how stupid WWE is in this entire matter.
End of the day- if Sasha and Naomi didn't want to work the match, I'm pretty sure Lacey Evans and Alexa Bliss would have been just fine sliding into those spots. WWE could have just asked Sasha & Naomi to work an injury angle and none of this fuss would be happening.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 13:48:03 GMT -5
1) We do not, in fact, know this was just over creative. 2) If it was, f*** WWE anyway. 3) No, seriously, f*** WWE anyway. I was a professional actor for a decade and if I had ever been treated the way WWE treats their "independent contractors" I would have walked out. And I could do that, because I was actually an independent contractor.
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. That isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison. In Hollywood, you have SAG. Yeah, the studios still probably have more leverage and power than they deserve or need, but it's not as obscenely lopsided as it is with the WWE. Hell, in sports there's the NFLPA, NBPA, NHLPA, etc. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 22, 2022 14:35:56 GMT -5
1) We do not, in fact, know this was just over creative. 2) If it was, f*** WWE anyway. 3) No, seriously, f*** WWE anyway. I was a professional actor for a decade and if I had ever been treated the way WWE treats their "independent contractors" I would have walked out. And I could do that, because I was actually an independent contractor.
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. Depends how big you are and why you walked out, too. There's actors who are absolute nightmares on set hat continue to find work because they're so big that to the producers their name is only "this guarantees me X dollars", and so the entire staff has to suffer the insanity, abuse, and difficulties for the sake of getting the movie made because that's their paycheck. When you have value you become pretty bulletproof, and the only forces in the world that can stop you are too many flops and maybe sex pest allegations. And to that end, actors do walk out of shoots and still get work. Not all of them do, some just vanish forever. But it's nowhere near that cut and dry. |
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Post by The Captain on May 22, 2022 14:40:53 GMT -5
Male actors can also get away easier with bad behavior than actresses. Just look at Jared Leto.
Really wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened in wrestling. And not just in WWE, either.
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Post by Blade on May 22, 2022 15:04:20 GMT -5
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. It is certainly true that if you did that you could get a reputation for unreliability that could harm your future career prospects. You'd likely have to move elsewhere (how far depends on how high profile the incident) to get a fresh start. But you do have that option. And as for "never work as an actor again"... my god, do you have the slightest idea the sort of things actual actors have done on set that haven't permanently ended their careers? Acting is only slightly less wild than wrestling for that. I can tell you for certainty that actors have refused to show up for or just walked out on shoots and this hasn't immediately impacted them at all. It depends on how it all goes in the end and how other people in the industry perceive it. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 22, 2022 15:21:34 GMT -5
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. It is certainly true that if you did that you could get a reputation for unreliability that could harm your future career prospects. You'd likely have to move elsewhere (how far depends on how high profile the incident) to get a fresh start. But you do have that option. And as for "never work as an actor again"... my god, do you have the slightest idea the sort of things actual actors have done on set that haven't permanently ended their careers? Acting is only slightly less wild than wrestling for that. I can tell you for certainty that actors have refused to show up for or just walked out on shoots and this hasn't immediately impacted them at all. It depends on how it all goes in the end and how other people in the industry perceive it. F***ing John Landis was still directing left and right while on trial for killing two children. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 22, 2022 15:22:10 GMT -5
Male actors can also get away easier with bad behavior than actresses. Just look at Jared Leto. Really wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened in wrestling. And not just in WWE, either. I'm not saying the number of women who got away with tons of shit is zero or anything, but if you look at the list, it's kind of telling. Moolah's impropriety was all political but using her girls as leverage in a way that benefited people in control. Nightmare women in the joshi scene got away with it because they were in a women-only environment. Tessa is one of the few cases that come to mind where star power trumped behavior until she became too toxic for a promotion every time, but even that only puts her into the Austin Aries/Low Ki mold where she still can't sustain any kind of tenure in a company no matter how much they like her. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 22, 2022 15:41:35 GMT -5
It is certainly true that if you did that you could get a reputation for unreliability that could harm your future career prospects. You'd likely have to move elsewhere (how far depends on how high profile the incident) to get a fresh start. But you do have that option. And as for "never work as an actor again"... my god, do you have the slightest idea the sort of things actual actors have done on set that haven't permanently ended their careers? Acting is only slightly less wild than wrestling for that. I can tell you for certainty that actors have refused to show up for or just walked out on shoots and this hasn't immediately impacted them at all. It depends on how it all goes in the end and how other people in the industry perceive it. F***ing John Landis was still directing left and right while on trial for killing two children.And still had enough of a legacy for his jerkward son to make movies and ruin lives. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 22, 2022 16:12:25 GMT -5
God, reading some peoples reaction to CM Punk’s tweet on the matter shows there’s way too many fans with Punk Derangement Syndrome. “He says support the workers. But look at how he treated Colt, Ryback, Miz, and Daffney!” Like…dude said to support workers *against the office*, not that you have to like or even publicly pretend to like your coworkers. Huge friggin’ difference! And for the people I saw online bringing Daffney up, that was a big tell those folks are just about gossipy drama, as by all accounts they were still on decent terms after their breakup that happened, y’know, *twenty friggin’ years ago*. Glad not to have seen it here. But good lord, people bemoan their larger discourse around pro wrestling and then contribute to shit like *that*. They’re bringing up Big Swole a lot too. That one is probably a little more close to him not supporting a worker over the office. Those 4 examples are ridiculous to bring up. I think it sounds like he screwed Colt over, but that’s between them, not AEW. I am curious how long until we hear from Sasha or Naomi. I’d love to hear the whole story. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 22, 2022 16:13:46 GMT -5
Good for them. f*** that company.
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Post by joeiscool on May 22, 2022 16:16:57 GMT -5
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. Depends how big you are and why you walked out, too. There's actors who are absolute nightmares on set hat continue to find work because they're so big that to the producers their name is only "this guarantees me X dollars", and so the entire staff has to suffer the insanity, abuse, and difficulties for the sake of getting the movie made because that's their paycheck. When you have value you become pretty bulletproof, and the only forces in the world that can stop you are too many flops and maybe sex pest allegations. And to that end, actors do walk out of shoots and still get work. Not all of them do, some just vanish forever. But it's nowhere near that cut and dry. Not cut and dry, but for most of show business revolves around showing up and being prepared. I know so many stage hands and performers who screwed themselves by being late to a performance. I don't wanna think about what would happen if someone walked out.. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 22, 2022 16:20:36 GMT -5
Depends how big you are and why you walked out, too. There's actors who are absolute nightmares on set hat continue to find work because they're so big that to the producers their name is only "this guarantees me X dollars", and so the entire staff has to suffer the insanity, abuse, and difficulties for the sake of getting the movie made because that's their paycheck. When you have value you become pretty bulletproof, and the only forces in the world that can stop you are too many flops and maybe sex pest allegations. And to that end, actors do walk out of shoots and still get work. Not all of them do, some just vanish forever. But it's nowhere near that cut and dry. Not cut and dry, but for most of show business revolves around showing up and being prepared. I know so many stage hands and performers who screwed themselves by being late to a performance. I don't wanna think about what would happen if someone walked out.. Stage hands are replaceable. The point is that when you have star power, you can still get opportunities right up until you become too much of a headache. Wrestling is full of those people and frankly many of them haven't had half the ratings success and star power Sasha Banks does. Hell, not even as much as Naomi has. They'll bounce back. |
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 16:23:20 GMT -5
WOR: Sasha was originally slated to face Charlotte at Wrestlemania
“Sasha has always had issues, she was mad that Ronda got the WrestleMania spot…it was planned for Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair which was planned for months, I wrote about it. She got moved down and they gave her the tag belts as kinda like a concession because she got moved down. Okay, if you’re looking at it from only Sasha’s [side], they lied to me, right?
They didn’t know Ronda was going to agree to come back so soon after her pregnancy, but Ronda wanted to prove it because her mom did it and they also really wanted Ronda at WrestleMania because Ronda is the bigger star. But to not understand that they picked Ronda ahead of you for WrestleMania and get mad about it…yes did they tell you, yes. Does that make you a good team player no? If you don’t understand that Ronda is a much bigger star than you…. for that show [WrestleMania] there’s not a doubt Ronda is a much bigger star than Sasha Banks in that spot.”
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Post by asuka007 on May 22, 2022 16:27:12 GMT -5
Other reports have said they Ronda vs. Charlotte was the plan for awhile.
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