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Post by joeiscool on May 22, 2022 16:27:34 GMT -5
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. It is certainly true that if you did that you could get a reputation for unreliability that could harm your future career prospects. You'd likely have to move elsewhere (how far depends on how high profile the incident) to get a fresh start. But you do have that option. And as for "never work as an actor again"... my god, do you have the slightest idea the sort of things actual actors have done on set that haven't permanently ended their careers? Acting is only slightly less wild than wrestling for that. I can tell you for certainty that actors have refused to show up for or just walked out on shoots and this hasn't immediately impacted them at all. It depends on how it all goes in the end and how other people in the industry perceive it. I meant the "you" as in a person who might have done some work but is not a star. Obviously if you are a star you may be able to get away with a lot more like you said it depends on how the industry sees it. There seemed to be some people who made it seem like acting lets people just walk out of shoots with no issues at all. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 16:32:03 GMT -5
WOR: Sasha was originally slated to face Charlotte at Wrestlemania “Sasha has always had issues, she was mad that Ronda got the WrestleMania spot…it was planned for Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair which was planned for months, I wrote about it. She got moved down and they gave her the tag belts as kinda like a concession because she got moved down. Okay, if you’re looking at it from only Sasha’s [side], they lied to me, right? They didn’t know Ronda was going to agree to come back so soon after her pregnancy, but Ronda wanted to prove it because her mom did it and they also really wanted Ronda at WrestleMania because Ronda is the bigger star. But to not understand that they picked Ronda ahead of you for WrestleMania and get mad about it…yes did they tell you, yes. Does that make you a good team player no? If you don’t understand that Ronda is a much bigger star than you…. for that show [WrestleMania] there’s not a doubt Ronda is a much bigger star than Sasha Banks in that spot.” Could not disagree with his view anymore. Ronda right now in wrestling circles is in no way a bigger star then Sasha , hell Ronda is nowhere the name she used to be compared to her first run even outside the company. Meanwhile Sasha has argueably been the most over active female on the roster and only elevated herself more the last 3-4yrs. Sasha has every right to be pissed she got cast aside for WWE's celebrity fetish. |
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Post by xCompackx on May 22, 2022 16:41:37 GMT -5
Yeah, "bigger star" is a stretch with Ronda Rousey. Doing a terrible VO job in MK11 and guesting on a TV show isn't exactly Bad Bunny levels of celeb status.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 22, 2022 16:48:05 GMT -5
Ronda's run absolutely hasn't been great but she definitely was a bigger star when she returned and that's when WWE decided to put her in the main event slot. And it was somewhat vindicated when they saw big jumps in ticket sales on the house shows they added her to. Her run since then has shown that Sasha was likely the safer call but I don't blame them for putting Ronda in that position and Sasha shouldn't have been surprised by it at all given how they've booked part timers. She can still be upset but I hope she didn't expect something else to happen.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 22, 2022 16:53:12 GMT -5
WOR: Sasha was originally slated to face Charlotte at Wrestlemania “Sasha has always had issues, she was mad that Ronda got the WrestleMania spot…it was planned for Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair which was planned for months, I wrote about it. She got moved down and they gave her the tag belts as kinda like a concession because she got moved down. Okay, if you’re looking at it from only Sasha’s [side], they lied to me, right? They didn’t know Ronda was going to agree to come back so soon after her pregnancy, but Ronda wanted to prove it because her mom did it and they also really wanted Ronda at WrestleMania because Ronda is the bigger star. But to not understand that they picked Ronda ahead of you for WrestleMania and get mad about it…yes did they tell you, yes. Does that make you a good team player no? If you don’t understand that Ronda is a much bigger star than you…. for that show [WrestleMania] there’s not a doubt Ronda is a much bigger star than Sasha Banks in that spot.” Could not disagree with his view anymore. Ronda right now in wrestling circles is in no way a bigger star then Sasha , hell Ronda is nowhere the name she used to be compared to her first run even outside the company. Meanwhile Sasha has argueably been the most over active female on the roster and only elevated herself more the last 3-4yrs. Sasha has every right to be pissed she got cast aside for WWE's celebrity fetish. Ronda is a bigger star then Sasha. It isn't even a question really. Is she as big of a deal as she was four years ago? No but from a mainstream perspective she's far and away the biggest name on the women's side |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 16:59:16 GMT -5
Could not disagree with his view anymore. Ronda right now in wrestling circles is in no way a bigger star then Sasha , hell Ronda is nowhere the name she used to be compared to her first run even outside the company. Meanwhile Sasha has argueably been the most over active female on the roster and only elevated herself more the last 3-4yrs. Sasha has every right to be pissed she got cast aside for WWE's celebrity fetish. Ronda is a bigger star then Sasha. It isn't even a question really. Is she as big of a deal as she was four years ago? No but from a mainstream perspective she's far and away the biggest name on the women's side Oh there is no argueing that outside wrestling yea Ronda is the bigger name hence me specifying within wrestling Sasha is the bigger star IMO. |
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Post by Totorob101 on May 22, 2022 16:59:41 GMT -5
The best solution to this whole mess is just to let Naomi and Sasha go so they can continue their careers elsewhere,just pointless suspending them when it's clear both women don't want to be there anymore and how badly treated they have been for some time now. Cut ties and stop this from getting worse would be best for all.
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Post by asuka007 on May 22, 2022 17:00:03 GMT -5
It seems like “just doing business” is a one way street in Vince’s mind.
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Post by The Captain on May 22, 2022 17:08:14 GMT -5
God, reading some peoples reaction to CM Punk’s tweet on the matter shows there’s way too many fans with Punk Derangement Syndrome. “He says support the workers. But look at how he treated Colt, Ryback, Miz, and Daffney!” Like…dude said to support workers *against the office*, not that you have to like or even publicly pretend to like your coworkers. Huge friggin’ difference! And for the people I saw online bringing Daffney up, that was a big tell those folks are just about gossipy drama, as by all accounts they were still on decent terms after their breakup that happened, y’know, *twenty friggin’ years ago*. Glad not to have seen it here. But good lord, people bemoan their larger discourse around pro wrestling and then contribute to shit like *that*. They’re bringing up Big Swole a lot too. That one is probably a little more close to him not supporting a worker over the office. Those 4 examples are ridiculous to bring up. I think it sounds like he screwed Colt over, but that’s between them, not AEW. I am curious how long until we hear from Sasha or Naomi. I’d love to hear the whole story. Even then, it's not like Swole was having her career held hostage by AEW or anything. She asked for her release and she got it. Tony Khan's Twitter stupidity didn't come until she was gone from there. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 22, 2022 17:12:30 GMT -5
There's a little bit of connective tissue to all of this that might actually be kind of important here; Sasha was at some point at least under the belief she was set to face Charlotte for the title at Mania. Ronda comes in, bumps her out of the mathc, but consolatiuon prize, she'll be getting a run with Naomi as tag champs. Sasha accepts it, she and Naomi get gear and really try to sell the team, make the most of it. Then they don't defend their titles at the nxt PPV. Then they're told that for the PPV after that they're going to both be filler singles challengers for the 'real' stars and Sasha will have to face the person who she got bumped from the Mania title match for, thereby not only making the whole "you can be tag champs" thing meaningless because she's not doing tag champ stuff, but also reinforcing that Ronda is the star she is beneath. Not only is that still just more Ronda shit, but it renders meaningless the whole "Here's what you can do instead" thing they used to placate her. It's a giant head game.
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Post by Texas Tornado on May 22, 2022 17:14:53 GMT -5
Apparently, SRS has just recently reported that the match was marked in red with no producer himself (there are a number of people quote tweeting this saying that SRS corroborates this statement with a report)? I don’t have Fightful Select and I haven’t seen any of the content today, but if this is true, WWE is just looking worse and worse with that statement.
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Post by The Ichi on May 22, 2022 17:16:06 GMT -5
1) We do not, in fact, know this was just over creative. 2) If it was, f*** WWE anyway. 3) No, seriously, f*** WWE anyway. I was a professional actor for a decade and if I had ever been treated the way WWE treats their "independent contractors" I would have walked out. And I could do that, because I was actually an independent contractor.
If you walked out of a shoot and the movie was big enough you almost certainly would never be able to work as an actor again. Some of the best known actors have walked out of movie sets all the time, for much pettier reasons. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 22, 2022 17:16:18 GMT -5
Ronda is a bigger star then Sasha. It isn't even a question really. Is she as big of a deal as she was four years ago? No but from a mainstream perspective she's far and away the biggest name on the women's side Oh there is no argueing that outside wrestling yea Ronda is the bigger name hence me specifying within wrestling Sasha is the bigger star IMO. Ok thanks for clarifying. Just curious though what makes Sasha a bigger star within wrestling? Is it just a case of more volume? Ronda when she's around is higher on the card and is in bigger matches so in that regard she's at least presented as a bigger star then Sasha. I don't know anything number wise when it comes to ratings or attendance but in the case of the former the Ronda/Charlotte feud as uninteresting as it was apparently did really well in that regard. |
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Post by asuka007 on May 22, 2022 17:26:48 GMT -5
There's a little bit of connective tissue to all of this that might actually be kind of important here; Sasha was at some point at least under the belief she was set to face Charlotte for the title at Mania. Ronda comes in, bumps her out of the mathc, but consolatiuon prize, she'll be getting a run with Naomi as tag champs. Sasha accepts it, she and Naomi get gear and really try to sell the team, make the most of it. Then they don't defend their titles at the nxt PPV. Then they're told that for the PPV after that they're going to both be filler singles challengers for the 'real' stars and Sasha will have to face the person who she got bumped from the Mania title match for, thereby not only making the whole "you can be tag champs" thing meaningless because she's not doing tag champ stuff, but also reinforcing that Ronda is the star she is beneath. Not only is that still just more Ronda shit, but it renders meaningless the whole "Here's what you can do instead" thing they used to placate her. It's a giant head game. Also let’s not forget that Sasha already put Ronda over clean during Ronda’s first run. And it did nothing for her afterwards. So it’s deja vu again. Only here instead of a big four PPV, it’s a B-show that “big stars” like Roman and Charlotte won’t even be on. And it comes down to “well we have no one else right now.” Well that sure does not sound like they see you as a big star or value what you’re trying to do as a tag team. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 17:38:22 GMT -5
Oh there is no argueing that outside wrestling yea Ronda is the bigger name hence me specifying within wrestling Sasha is the bigger star IMO. Ok thanks for clarifying. Just curious though what makes Sasha a bigger star within wrestling? Is it just a case of more volume? Ronda when she's around is higher on the card and is in bigger matches so in that regard she's at least presented as a bigger star then Sasha. I don't know anything number wise when it comes to ratings or attendance but in the case of the former the Ronda/Charlotte feud as uninteresting as it was apparently did really well in that regard. There are a few variables on how one percieves someone a star but it is little from alot of different variables. Ronda is a bigger star outside wrestling based on past accomplishments and reputation. Sasha is a star based in part on accomplishments but also in how she carries herself , her charisma etc. So in order to ask the why is not atleast to me so easy to anwser because it comes down to a subjective view of what is more important to being a star in show...your reputation you bring with you , or how one carries themselves and Sasha is loud and always making sure eyes are on her from again how she carries herself to what she wears and the bonus to all of it is she is a fantastic wrestler. |
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 22, 2022 17:42:53 GMT -5
They’re bringing up Big Swole a lot too. That one is probably a little more close to him not supporting a worker over the office. Those 4 examples are ridiculous to bring up. I think it sounds like he screwed Colt over, but that’s between them, not AEW. I am curious how long until we hear from Sasha or Naomi. I’d love to hear the whole story. Even then, it's not like Swole was having her career held hostage by AEW or anything. She asked for her release and she got it. Tony Khan's Twitter stupidity didn't come until she was gone from there. Absolutely. It’s not the same thing. I love Punk, I’m just a little surprised he didn’t say anything then. I’m glad he is now (and usually does). Edit- I’ll clarify. I mean TK’s tweet shitting on her is what I’m talking about. Not about any of the business side. |
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Post by asuka007 on May 22, 2022 18:25:23 GMT -5
As far as I know, TK has granted releases to anyone who asked. Or he just hasn’t chosen to resign some people when their contracts are up.
But he has not fired them for no reason or held them hostage.
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 18:29:42 GMT -5
Here's where the WWE gets super petty and double speaks..
Hey you aren't Rhonda or Charlotte so bump down and do jobs...hey you're to big a star to let you go work down south!
It's like there are some people they won't use right but also live in fear they'll get used right elsewhere, it's stupid.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 22, 2022 18:48:54 GMT -5
Here's where the WWE gets super petty and double speaks.. Hey you aren't Rhonda or Charlotte so bump down and do jobs...hey you're to big a star to let you go work down south! It's like there are some people they won't use right but also live in fear they'll get used right elsewhere, it's stupid. They also push outside names like Rhonda because they're bigger stars, while actively working to limit the star power of most of the roster to try and make sure they don't have many options outside of the WWE so they're less likely to rock the boat or consider leaving until the company are done with them. |
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 18:54:23 GMT -5
Here's where the WWE gets super petty and double speaks.. Hey you aren't Rhonda or Charlotte so bump down and do jobs...hey you're to big a star to let you go work down south! It's like there are some people they won't use right but also live in fear they'll get used right elsewhere, it's stupid. They also push outside names like Rhonda because they're bigger stars, while actively working to limit the star power of most of the roster to try and make sure they don't have many options outside of the WWE so they're less likely to rock the boat or consider leaving until the company are done with them. Remember the saga of Rey Mysterio and hie they acted like they would hold him hostage for years? It's like if you want out they refuse..but in the meantime will release 20 others. It's gotta be an ego thing of they can only leave when I say it's ok! |
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