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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2022 19:03:22 GMT -5
Have there been any reports that Sasha and Naomi are seeking their release? Could end up just being a power play and both sides sit down in the next few weeks to see about working it out.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 19:04:08 GMT -5
Ever since Vince "got burned" by the likes of The Rock and Brock lesnar up and leaving him and his company and he went into insane mode in trying to controll and make sure his talent know no one is bigger than his company.
Cannot imagine how he is gonna double down on that now if Sasha and Naomi manage to get out of their deals.
If nothing else one thing fans have learned over the many years the one thing that bothers Vince and his zeplin sized ego more than anything else is he cannot stand not being in controll and try as he is might to spin it that Sasha and Naomi are the bad people here it is completely backfiring the more he keeps trying to push this narrative and only making his company look worse.
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 19:04:46 GMT -5
Have there been any reports that Sasha and Naomi are seeking their release? Could end up just being a power play and both sides sit down in the next few weeks to see about working it out. Usually when you walk out and remove all company mentions...you'd like to leave. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 19:09:19 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly.
But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2022 19:09:37 GMT -5
Have there been any reports that Sasha and Naomi are seeking their release? Could end up just being a power play and both sides sit down in the next few weeks to see about working it out. Usually when you walk out and remove all company mentions...you'd like to leave. Again, could be a power play. Wouldn’t be the first time... |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2022 19:10:22 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly. But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE. So far it’s only the one report from Kaz that mentioned Sasha. I think Kaz also reported that Lashley was going to miss Mania |
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 19:12:38 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly. But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE. I don't understand why they care is Sasha gives to AEW.. It's not going to hurt WWEs bottom line, is it literally they can't handle a competitor exists at all? |
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 22, 2022 19:15:33 GMT -5
Ever since Vince "got burned" by the likes of The Rock and Brock lesnar up and leaving him and his company and he went into insane mode in trying to controll and make sure his talent know no one is bigger than his company. Rock didn’t “up and leave”. They forgot to renew his contract in 2004. The Rock. They forgot to renew The Rock’s contract. |
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 19:17:41 GMT -5
Ever since Vince "got burned" by the likes of The Rock and Brock lesnar up and leaving him and his company and he went into insane mode in trying to controll and make sure his talent know no one is bigger than his company. Rock didn’t “up and leave”. They forgot to renew his contract in 2004. The Rock. They forgot to renew The Rock’s contract. Nah they did it on purpose...Rock spoke about it. They intentionally let it expire because they thought he'd fail as an actor and then when he came back they'd pay him less. They tried that with Batista also... They're a real shitty company. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 22, 2022 19:19:41 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly. But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE. I don't understand why they care is Sasha gives to AEW.. It's not going to hurt WWEs bottom line, is it literally they can't handle a competitor exists at all? Because of the precedent it would set. Unhappy talent would be able to leave so the company would actually have to try to keep them happy, either with booking or money. |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 19:20:57 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly. But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE. I don't understand why they care is Sasha gives to AEW.. It's not going to hurt WWEs bottom line, is it literally they can't handle a competitor exists at all? Sasha is still a more than valueable name to WWE especially casuals she moves heaps of merch and is very popular IMO it is not difficult to see why they would not want her jumping ship to their competitor. The one thing about AEW that seems constant is that they have talented women but they still lack that one star and if they get Sasha she will more than fill that need. And like said above it would star a precedent where WWE would have to start actually doing right by their talent which will give power back to the talent and that is absoloutley not what this company wants to do. |
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Post by Mecca on May 22, 2022 19:21:05 GMT -5
I don't understand why they care is Sasha gives to AEW.. It's not going to hurt WWEs bottom line, is it literally they can't handle a competitor exists at all? Because of the precedent it would set. Unhappy talent would be able to leave so the company would actually have to try to keep them happy, either with booking or money. Why would you want to keep someone that doesn't wanna be there? Moxley hated it there, is it bad for them he left? |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 22, 2022 19:30:33 GMT -5
Because of the precedent it would set. Unhappy talent would be able to leave so the company would actually have to try to keep them happy, either with booking or money. Why would you want to keep someone that doesn't wanna be there? Moxley hated it there, is it bad for them he left? Control. You're with the WWE until they're through with you. It's the same logic that's seen them rehire former talent who've criticised them just to job them out. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 22, 2022 19:52:56 GMT -5
I can see Naomi being willing to come back but idk if they give that much of a damn about her honestly. But Sasha? that ship is quickly sinking if not already fully sunk because she is in prime position if WWE comes to negotiate to bend then over the barrell 10 times over and get whatever she wanted because they do not want her going to AEW and she only has 2 months left if reports are true so it makes the situation that much more dire for WWE. I don't understand why they care is Sasha gives to AEW.. It's not going to hurt WWEs bottom line, is it literally they can't handle a competitor exists at all? Remember the 80s; Vince pulled in stars from everywhere, and sometimes they'd get a big push, other times they were just his midcard schlubs. People complain about Koko B. Ware in the hall of fame because he was a jobber, but you look at what he did in the territories before Vince hired him, and you see a decently decorated guy whose career is way more than some people give him credit for. Now imagine that sentiment calcified over decades, anti-competitive efforts, more control freak shit, and an overall trend toward diminishing the ability of people to be stars. It's "better" to have someone sit there being unused under his control than it is to let them be a star somewhere else, which doesn't actually fuel any desire to use these people he has and thinks could draw money elsewhere any better, because it's not about using the talent, it's about keeping other people from using them. If not for the pandemic and Nick Khan, I doubt we'd have seen anywhere near the number of releases. People would be riding out their contracts and offered fat five-year extensions with pressure to put pen to paper right that second. WWE was forced to concede some talents and they still hold people like Ali in and refuse to let them go. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 22, 2022 20:12:34 GMT -5
Have there been any reports that Sasha and Naomi are seeking their release? Could end up just being a power play and both sides sit down in the next few weeks to see about working it out. If their contracts are up in a couple of months, I figure they're happy enough to wait them out. Given the little amount of time left until they expire, Sasha and Naomi have almost certainly fulfilled all their contractually obligated appearances, so the 'E may not even be able to hold them hostage either. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2022 20:16:22 GMT -5
Rock didn’t “up and leave”. They forgot to renew his contract in 2004. The Rock. They forgot to renew The Rock’s contract. Nah they did it on purpose...Rock spoke about it. They intentionally let it expire because they thought he'd fail as an actor and then when he came back they'd pay him less. They tried that with Batista also... They're a real shitty company. Wasn’t on purpose from what I’ve seen. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 22, 2022 20:31:18 GMT -5
Wasn’t on purpose from what I’ve seen. The two stories I've seen are Rock's version: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CASsNxNFdv3 TL;DW: Rock had a handshake deal with Vince, that he'd work his contracted dates and quietly retire to focus on acting. The other is Bruce Prichard: Yeah, given how full of shit Bruce is most of the time and the plain fact that he's clearly assuming it was overlooked, I'm going with Rock's version. |
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Post by polarbearpete on May 22, 2022 20:35:21 GMT -5
Wasn’t on purpose from what I’ve seen. The two stories I've seen are Rock's version: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CASsNxNFdv3 TL;DW: Rock had a handshake deal with Vince, that he'd work his contracted dates and quietly retire to focus on acting. The other is Bruce Prichard: Yeah, given how full of shit Bruce is most of the time and the plain fact that he's clearly assuming it was overlooked, I'm going with Rock's version. Neither version seem to be that they purposely let his contract expire to then offer him less money when he failed. |
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Post by asuka007 on May 22, 2022 20:44:28 GMT -5
Ever since Vince "got burned" by the likes of The Rock and Brock lesnar up and leaving him and his company and he went into insane mode in trying to controll and make sure his talent know no one is bigger than his company. Cannot imagine how he is gonna double down on that now if Sasha and Naomi manage to get out of their deals. If nothing else one thing fans have learned over the many years the one thing that bothers Vince and his zeplin sized ego more than anything else is he cannot stand not being in controll and try as he is might to spin it that Sasha and Naomi are the bad people here it is completely backfiring the more he keeps trying to push this narrative and only making his company look worse. It goes further back then that. They had Gorilla Monsoon bury br]Ultimate Warrior on air after he was a pain. Hulk Hogan was able to leave and have WCW roll out the welcome for him and WCW got other major WWF talent. So Vince did thr “Billionaire Ted” stuff which mocked Hogan, Savage, and Mean Gean. And it got downright nasty and personal against Ted Turner (to the point that USA had to step in and tell him to stop). Bret Hart was able to leave and we got the “Bret screwed Bret” interview, which was meant to paint Vince as the good guy (it just did not work). Heck he screwed over Wendi Richter when they had a dispute. Etc. Vince has always been this way. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 22, 2022 20:45:08 GMT -5
Neither version seem to be that they purposely let his contract expire to then offer him less money when he failed. Well, no. In Rock's version it's very clear he let Vince know ahead of time that he was leaving once his contract was up, and that there was a possibility of him having to come crawling back if he failed. Whether less money would be on the table is open to debate, though given WWE was the only game in town at that point it's certainly likely that if Rock failed at acting and had to come back he would have been in a worse negotiating position than when his contract was expiring. |
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