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Post by cornettesracket on May 24, 2022 11:33:37 GMT -5
As we are approaching the twentieth anniversary of Austin walking out on WWE on june, 10th, 2002, I was reading the observer from the 17th of June and it’s kind of amazing how there are some similarities in the two events. Firstly, it was reported that the match with lesnar wasn't the only issue, but was the final straw which does track with what we know of this situation in 2022. Secondly, the roster in 2002 reportedly agreed that the creative was bad at the time(something Austin said out loud), but they didn’t agree with how Austin handled it, which again has similarities to today.
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Post by Citizen Snips on May 24, 2022 11:34:19 GMT -5
Like he's ever known. Still remember that absurd shit he said about Punk. The guy is a little weaselly corporate shill. I've been on Hayrides through Amish country more punk rock than Corey Graves sniveling ass. Corey Graves makes Donny Osmond look like Joey Ramone. |
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Post by saneiac on May 24, 2022 12:35:43 GMT -5
"They would walk away, and disappoint the entire WWE universe in the process" - Corey Graves tonight as they once again brought up Sasha and Naomi walking out This company is so f***ing petty lmfao Actual professional sports team: "Antonio Brown is no longer with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This is all we will say on this matter." WWE: "Sasha and Naomi walked away and let every one of you down! They're selfish horrible people! We would never do that to you! Stay tuned for next hour, when we tell you again!" |
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Post by The Captain on May 24, 2022 13:03:11 GMT -5
I've been on Hayrides through Amish country more punk rock than Corey Graves sniveling ass. Corey Graves makes Donny Osmond look like Joey Ramone. Corey Graves makes Simple Plan look like Sick Of It All. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 24, 2022 13:42:46 GMT -5
Like he's ever known. Still remember that absurd shit he said about Punk. The guy is a little weaselly corporate shill. I've been on Hayrides through Amish country more punk rock than Corey Graves sniveling ass. I don't hate Graves as much as most, but this is still a legit comment. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 24, 2022 13:53:12 GMT -5
I still can't get over the way the WWE seem to have spun their unhappiness at being screamed at by a producer as considering their colleagues unsafe to work with in an attempt to divide and conquer. CM Punk is a quitter and Bret screwed Bret all over again. Have we had the screamed at by a producer confirmed anywhere? I know I saw it from that one twitter account, but the same account also (apparently) falsely said that they left the building at 5, not 8. No. To be fair, I don't think it's been outright debunked, but it *looks* as if that story was false until anyone else confirms it |
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Post by Killah Ray on May 24, 2022 14:04:38 GMT -5
Have we had the screamed at by a producer confirmed anywhere? I know I saw it from that one twitter account, but the same account also (apparently) falsely said that they left the building at 5, not 8. No. To be fair, I don't think it's been outright debunked, but it *looks* as if that story was false until anyone else confirms it I mean his new story about them leaving like 5 hours ahead of showtime has been debunked so not out of the realm of possibility that was fake too. Of course those who want to keep parroting it for reasons won’t stop in doing so…. |
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Post by asuka007 on May 24, 2022 14:16:45 GMT -5
As we are approaching the twentieth anniversary of Austin walking out on WWE on june, 10th, 2002, I was reading the observer from the 17th of June and it’s kind of amazing how there are some similarities in the two events. Firstly, it was reported that the match with lesnar wasn't the only issue, but was the final straw which does track with what we know of this situation in 2022. Secondly, the roster in 2002 reportedly agreed that the creative was bad at the time(something Austin said out loud), but they didn’t agree with how Austin handled it, which again has similarities to today. Austin himself had admitted he was burnt out, his personal life was a mess on multiple fronts, and yes he had been frustrated with the creative direction for both his character and WWE overall. The Brock thing was just the final straw. |
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Post by The Captain on May 24, 2022 14:21:41 GMT -5
Have we had the screamed at by a producer confirmed anywhere? I know I saw it from that one twitter account, but the same account also (apparently) falsely said that they left the building at 5, not 8. No. To be fair, I don't think it's been outright debunked, but it *looks* as if that story was false until anyone else confirms it When it comes to this, WWE is doing such a good job of making itself look bad. You don't need fake stuff make it look even worse. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2022 14:51:03 GMT -5
As someone mentioned, it comes off like they think the two are scum of the Earth and don’t think they’re worth much since they betrayed everyone so…just fire them. Get rid and send a message.
Like, I “get” why they won’t do that and why they do what they do but their statements come off like they should just get rid of them and have them be shunned by society. If not, why do it? Besides reasons mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 15:04:44 GMT -5
It has now just become a case of a who blinks first and either way IF the report on when the contracts ends then the leverage is in favor of Sasha and Naomi because even if they come back they just work 2 months and are gone.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 24, 2022 15:15:48 GMT -5
"They would walk away, and disappoint the entire WWE universe in the process" - Corey Graves tonight as they once again brought up Sasha and Naomi walking out This company is so f***ing petty lmfao Actual professional sports team: "Antonio Brown is no longer with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This is all we will say on this matter." WWE: "Sasha and Naomi walked away and let every one of you down! They're selfish horrible people! We would never do that to you! Stay tuned for next hour, when we tell you again!" That is absolutely not all the Buccaneers said on that matter, either via briefing journalists or in press conferences. I don't think the two situations are that comparable. But professional sports teams can and routinely do talk shit on their own players, in a similar way to the WWE has been said to do recently ("this person has a bad attitude, isn't liked in the locker room etc."). |
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Post by sportatorium on May 24, 2022 15:17:09 GMT -5
WWE should start having their commentary teams say things like
"Shawn Michaels retired at Wrestlemania in 2010. His retirement set off a chain of events which has led us to this crappy 24/7 match tonight".
"If Shawn had been more professional, then surely the Undertaker wouldn't have also eventually retired and the WWE Universe wouldn't be so disappointed. "
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 24, 2022 15:33:44 GMT -5
I still can't get over the way the WWE seem to have spun their unhappiness at being screamed at by a producer as considering their colleagues unsafe to work with in an attempt to divide and conquer. CM Punk is a quitter and Bret screwed Bret all over again. Have we had the screamed at by a producer confirmed anywhere? I know I saw it from that one twitter account, but the same account also (apparently) falsely said that they left the building at 5, not 8. This feels like a he said/she said right now. According to WWE's statement, Sasha and Naomi didn't feel comfortable with working with two of their opponents which seems to be untrue so if they lied about that, can we trust them on when they left? |
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Post by CubsFan71 on May 24, 2022 15:34:20 GMT -5
Does anyone think this all might just be an elaborate work?
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 24, 2022 15:38:08 GMT -5
Does anyone think this all might just be an elaborate work? As I ask every time the suggestion is brought up; who benefits? It doesn’t benefit Sasha and Naomi because they’re off TV and not involved in anything, it doesn’t benefit WWE because they just keep two people at home who are, in certain ways, genuine stars they need for their womens division and the end result would be the audience trusting WWE a bit less because they wouldn’t believe the stories said. It’s hard to get the audience to care when stuff happens is just another story in the WWE narrative. And also to add, if they’re smart enough to come up with this sort of thing, it’d be better to use those brains to make more cohesive narratives for their TV show. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 15:41:06 GMT -5
Does anyone think this all might just be an elaborate work? No I do not believe it is personally. But lets entertain the theory for a moment....what would be the end game here? The womens tag titles they were already holding? WWE has shown they give negative f***s about the titles let alone any womens tag teams because they just blow up the division as soon as they can and repeat the cycle. The womens titles? we alredy know Ronda and Becky are already penciled in for Mania next year for a womens title so the work is over the other title? that likely neither are in the Mania plans for. There is no worthwhile end game here because anything less than Naomi and Sasha coming back and winning both the womens titles while they still hold the womens tag titles and making a huge run to Mania all while they form an NWO level all female faction with them is IMO a complete let down and stupid for all this effort of a big ole GOTCHA! |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 24, 2022 15:47:47 GMT -5
Have we had the screamed at by a producer confirmed anywhere? I know I saw it from that one twitter account, but the same account also (apparently) falsely said that they left the building at 5, not 8. This feels like a he said/she said right now. According to WWE's statement, Sasha and Naomi didn't feel comfortable with working with two of their opponents which seems to be untrue so if they lied about that, can we trust them on when they left? Sasha and Naomi didn't want to work with Asuka and Becky because they didn't want to get involved in the world title picture and instead wanted to work a tag program with Nikki and Doudrop. A lot of people jumped to conclusions that "uncomfortable working with" was a Nia Jax like safety thing when it was purely booking related. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 24, 2022 15:54:51 GMT -5
This feels like a he said/she said right now. According to WWE's statement, Sasha and Naomi didn't feel comfortable with working with two of their opponents which seems to be untrue so if they lied about that, can we trust them on when they left? Sasha and Naomi didn't want to work with Asuka and Becky because they didn't want to get involved in the world title picture and instead wanted to work a tag program with Nikki and Doudrop. A lot of people jumped to conclusions that "uncomfortable working with" was a Nia Jax like safety thing when it was purely booking related. This was their statement: "And even though they had eight hours to rehearse and construct their match, they claimed they were uncomfortable in the ring with two of their opponents even though they'd had matches with those individuals in the past with no consequence" We're not jumping to conclusions here. The statement is discussing comfortability with working with them in the ring. That's why they referenced the amount of time they had to construct the match and their previous time working with them. If they meant that in terms of booking, they should have written a better statement. |
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Post by nisidhe on May 24, 2022 16:01:32 GMT -5
Does anyone think this all might just be an elaborate work? I don't think it is, and it would be near-suicide for the company even to try to spin it as one. For one thing, two of its biggest, most popular superstars would be exposed as being just as manipulative and contemptuous of the fans as the company. How might that play out for the rest of their careers? How might that play out for Naomi in the public space? For another, that taint would likely infect fan perceptions of the rest of the roster. I dunno about you, but I wouldn't want to give these carnies another dime if I knew they were laughing at us behind our backs. What a bunch of role models and heroes to look up to. /s Finally, any company that would demonstrate such a contempt for it consumer base so openly and publicly risks a heckton of exposure. Yes, WWE makes 80% of its revenue through B2B ventures - but that 80% relies on its ability to make the other 20%, through fan engagement. Any significant exposure that results in enough of a drop in ratings, etc. will have a roll-on effect that impacts that 80% - low enough ratings means a move to less-lucrative timeslots, or even losing TV deals altogether; low enough attendance at premium live events might mean having to downsize future events and/or lower ticket prices, again meaning lower income. At the end, though, it doesn't matter whether it's a work or not. WWE's exposed itself as a petty, abusive company increasingly unworthy of our time, energy or attention. |
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