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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 26, 2022 17:13:47 GMT -5
Charlotte and Natalya would be ideal. Two office favorites that nobody really likes. However that means Charlotte would not be in the singles title picture which is something that will never happen. Natalya and Shayna wouldn't work. I guess maybe you can do something like Carmella (office favorite) and Sonya (ex authority, has history with Naomi). However that would be hard to arrange too since they are both on Raw and Naomi and Sasha are assigned to Smackdown which is where they will go with them not being champions anymore. If they lose their titles in NXT soon Toxic Attraction getting called up would be perfect for something like that as they are clearly very well liked by management and pretty much the poster girls of the new vision they see for women's wrestling with the bigger emphasis on sex appeal. Them going against the two women who put their foot down and are fighting against the machine would be perfect. Yeah that would make sense. I think a more likely scenario is Naomi makes amends with the company, and comes back as a heel in the Bloodline, feuding with Ronda over the summer. Yeah, I think this is it with Naomi as a face. She might even come back as Trinity Fatu. Old character gone and forgotten. And get the superwoman push on Smackdown. |
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Post by trollrogue on May 28, 2022 19:55:12 GMT -5
This is at least the 3rd time Sasha Banks has disappeared when booking didn't go her way, not to mention the trope of her sulking her way to the ring when she's booked to lose. For some reason, she's avoided being called a mark for herself.... Anyway, no, it's just business as usual. She'll be back, at the top of the card, until she sulks and goes home again. Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately. She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 29, 2022 3:03:20 GMT -5
Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately. She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. You are aware that John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar, and the freaking Rock were all homegrown talents right? Also Sasha worked indies before WWE signing with WWE so calling her homegrown is debatable to begin with. If you are running a company you can't just bend over backwards and cave every time a talent doesn't like something. It will just open the floodgates as it will show weakness and then every one will start refusing to do what they are asked when they get an unfavorable booking decision they don't like and then you get an inmates running the asylum type deal. I think it's ok to pick your battles and dig your heels in every once in a while if you feel that's right however this has now happened with Sasha like two or three times now. At this point she just comes off like someone who is a pain in the ass. Also while she definitely has value (good wrestler, popular) it isn't like she isn't expendable. She isn't the main star of the show or hell she's never even been pushed as the main star in a division. At least on the main roster anyways. Charlotte, Alexa, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca have all been pushed as the centerpiece above her. With the exception of maybe Alexa all those girls are still valued more then her right now. There's been bigger stars then her that they've parted ways with. It's a machine that will always roll on and on. Also in this situation it's hard for me to feel sympathetic towards Sasha and to a lesser extent Naomi in that it's not like either of them have had it that bad. Like at all. They've both been given a lot. Especially Sasha I could think of tons of other wrestlers done way more dirty by WWE booking then those two and would be more justified in telling them to go pound sand. The WWE Women's Tag Division is a joke and has been booked terribly but WWE hasn't cared about Tag Team wrestling in like two decades. It's not like it's some big secret so I don't know what they were expecting. They've both been spotlighted a ton on TV and have been presented very well. They also got a big showcase and win at Mania when they easily could've given it instead to Rhea and Liv, who have a much bigger reason to be pissed as they were split up as a team after like six weeks for no reason. However you don't see them throwing hissy fits and walking out. I guess Rhea might be getting a big heel push with this Judgement Day group but it's still probably to early to tell at this point. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on May 29, 2022 3:20:56 GMT -5
Like... what are we basing Sasha on being the biggest Female draw?
She's not the biggest merch mover... I'm not sure who is... but Alexa was the number 2 face pretty much solely by how much Merchandise she was moving...
Becky was by far more popular when she first started her main event run... maybe not as much now I dunno... but even if we're doing that Ronda was apparently a massive draw in her first run too.
This isn't meant to like call Sasha talentless or even say that she shouldn't have walked out or whatever... but calling her the biggest homegrown talent and the biggest female draw... is just like clearly not the case?
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 29, 2022 4:37:01 GMT -5
Like... what are we basing Sasha on being the biggest Female draw? She's not the biggest merch mover... I'm not sure who is... but Alexa was the number 2 face pretty much solely by how much Merchandise she was moving... Becky was by far more popular when she first started her main event run... maybe not as much now I dunno... but even if we're doing that Ronda was apparently a massive draw in her first run too. This isn't meant to like call Sasha talentless or even say that she shouldn't have walked out or whatever... but calling her the biggest homegrown talent and the biggest female draw... is just like clearly not the case? I've noticed that for some reason Sasha seems to have very delusional fans where they really overrate her star power. She is a star and is very popular but they'll talk about her like she's this huge draw and mega star on the level of like Hogan, Rock, and Austin. Like you said she isn't even the biggest draw of the women as she's probably fourth behind the three examples you gave (Becky, Alexa, Ronda) when it comes to popularity and drawing power. |
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 29, 2022 4:44:08 GMT -5
Becky reached far greater heights than Sasha did and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming the post a couple above mine meant to say female star. I'd also argue Chyna, Trish and Lita were bigger at the height of their popularity.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 29, 2022 5:41:41 GMT -5
I do feel like there have been times when Sasha was enough of a draw to make a difference (one of the only times NXT beat AEW was when Sasha was on the show, for example) and like I said before, they haven’t really gone full on with that as much as they should but I feel like there is a lot of overblowing because of her fans and such.
Like, when Becky made a TV appearance, it was everywhere but when Sasha was on The Mandalorian, they had to push to promote it and that just feels weird? Not claiming conspiracy, just this weird inconsistency with her.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 29, 2022 6:27:31 GMT -5
She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. You are aware that John Cena, Batista, Randy Orton, Roman Reigns, Brock Lesnar, and the freaking Rock were all homegrown talents right? Also Sasha worked indies before WWE signing with WWE so calling her homegrown is debatable to begin with. If you are running a company you can't just bend over backwards and cave every time a talent doesn't like something. It will just open the floodgates as it will show weakness and then every one will start refusing to do what they are asked when they get an unfavorable booking decision they don't like and then you get an inmates running the asylum type deal. I think it's ok to pick your battles and dig your heels in every once in a while if you feel that's right however this has now happened with Sasha like two or three times now. At this point she just comes off like someone who is a pain in the ass. Also while she definitely has value (good wrestler, popular) it isn't like she isn't expendable. She isn't the main star of the show or hell she's never even been pushed as the main star in a division. At least on the main roster anyways. Charlotte, Alexa, Ronda, Becky, and Bianca have all been pushed as the centerpiece above her. With the exception of maybe Alexa all those girls are still valued more then her right now. There's been bigger stars then her that they've parted ways with. It's a machine that will always roll on and on. Also in this situation it's hard for me to feel sympathetic towards Sasha and to a lesser extent Naomi in that it's not like either of them have had it that bad. Like at all. They've both been given a lot. Especially Sasha I could think of tons of other wrestlers done way more dirty by WWE booking then those two and would be more justified in telling them to go pound sand. The WWE Women's Tag Division is a joke and has been booked terribly but WWE hasn't cared about Tag Team wrestling in like two decades. It's not like it's some big secret so I don't know what they were expecting. They've both been spotlighted a ton on TV and have been presented very well. They also got a big showcase and win at Mania when they easily could've given it instead to Rhea and Liv, who have a much bigger reason to be pissed as they were split up as a team after like six weeks for no reason. However you don't see them throwing hissy fits and walking out. I guess Rhea might be getting a big heel push with this Judgement Day group but it's still probably to early to tell at this point.
For sure. Rhea/Liv just got on with the job and tuned their social media work to the feud. It's also worth remembering that online a lot of the people who wanted Sasha/Naomi to win weren't even talking about being behind the team so much as insisting how Sasha needed 'a Mania moment', as if being part of a game-changing match at WM 32 or even main eventing the previous year's night 1 in a widely acclaimed match wasn't enough. And even though of course Sasha's an important figure in the women's division, the way some of her fans try to give her sole credit for everything that changed is strange.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 29, 2022 8:16:28 GMT -5
Like... what are we basing Sasha on being the biggest Female draw? She's not the biggest merch mover... I'm not sure who is... but Alexa was the number 2 face pretty much solely by how much Merchandise she was moving... Becky was by far more popular when she first started her main event run... maybe not as much now I dunno... but even if we're doing that Ronda was apparently a massive draw in her first run too. This isn't meant to like call Sasha talentless or even say that she shouldn't have walked out or whatever... but calling her the biggest homegrown talent and the biggest female draw... is just like clearly not the case? I've noticed that for some reason Sasha seems to have very delusional fans where they really overrate her star power. She is a star and is very popular but they'll talk about her like she's this huge draw and mega star on the level of like Hogan, Rock, and Austin. Like you said she isn't even the biggest draw of the women as she's probably fourth behind the three examples you gave (Becky, Alexa, Ronda) when it comes to popularity and drawing power. hell Asuka's also probably a bigger draw given all the Joshi fans she brings in. |
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Post by CeilingFan on May 29, 2022 8:46:10 GMT -5
What about a trade?
WWE gets MJF, and AEW gets Sasha!
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 29, 2022 11:33:47 GMT -5
Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately. She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. Um... so? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 12:13:17 GMT -5
What about a trade? WWE gets MJF, and AEW gets Sasha! That would be a complete win for AEW because WWE is never going to allow MJF to be MJF as he is right now. |
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 29, 2022 12:23:19 GMT -5
What about a trade? WWE gets MJF, and AEW gets Sasha! That would be a complete win for AEW because WWE is never going to allow MJF to be MJF as he is right now. Yeah but really whats the point of hiring a talented performer and letting him get over like he did somewhere else? Give him a new gimmick and get him over the WWE way. And if it fails well it was all his fault even though every thing was written for him and he was micro managed in every way. |
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on May 29, 2022 23:41:44 GMT -5
Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately. She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. The Rock. That’s it. That’s my entire argument. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 1:06:38 GMT -5
Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately. She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else? Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW. This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi). WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself. Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you. Hey, Sasha. Just want to let you know I'm still on your side here! |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 30, 2022 7:31:28 GMT -5
I actually am on Sasha's side, but acting like she's this huge draw is nuts. Her cousin is Snoop Dogg. Right, and?
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Post by nisidhe on May 30, 2022 11:00:58 GMT -5
Even after what's gone down this weekend, I will defend Sasha here.
Her fight with WWE was not for herself, but for the women's tag titles and the women's division as a whole. Whatever MJF was trying to do, it was clear for some time that he was jockeying to position himself better, even seemingly at the cost of raising the status of his opponent in the blow-off match of a year-long storyline. I fervently hope that WWE sees the distinction here.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2022 11:37:23 GMT -5
Just do a complete swap between Sasha and MJF since for the most part what they want they will get in the other company.
MJF wants much more money and Sasha wants a better creative direction.
In the end they would both win with Sasha getting a creative freedom she would never get in WWE and MJF is gonna get gold bars lobbed at him to jump ship by Vince and these gold bars you guessed it...come from Soap Head himself Ricky Starks.
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Post by Nosnorb on May 30, 2022 11:52:02 GMT -5
MJF wants much more money and Sasha wants a better creative direction. MJF will get that in WWE, not sure choking against Britt is a better one for Sasha. |
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Post by kidkamikaze10 on May 30, 2022 16:18:11 GMT -5
MJF wants much more money and Sasha wants a better creative direction. MJF will get that in WWE, not sure choking against Britt is a better one for Sasha. Tony would be insane putting Britt over Sasha. Again, she isn’t Toni or Ruby. I get people want to act like she’s not a draw or something, but she is someone who would bring new eyes to AEW. Why waste that on Britt? |
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