Sasha Banks and Naomi leave Raw after creative dispute

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May 28, 2022 19:55:12 GMT -5 trollrogue said:

May 24, 2022 22:58:26 GMT -5 ThankGodForSidJustice said:

Pretty much. Always has a top spot ready for her when she comes back when they could give someone else a chance instead who is less problematic. Squeaky wheels get the grease though unfortunately.

She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else?

Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW.

This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi).

WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself.

Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you.

That’s an interesting narrative that I’m not sure is true. Also what does her being snoop doggs cousin have any relevance in a creative disagreement ?

[joeiscool]

May 30, 2022 16:22:30 GMT -5 cornettesracket said:

May 28, 2022 19:55:12 GMT -5 trollrogue said:

She's avoided being called a mark for herself because she is that damn good. Sasha practically created the WWE Womens Division, after the 'breakout moment' happened and we got the 3-Women-Trios teams after ladies stopped doing Bra-n-Panties matches on RAW, who did the fans cheer for over everybody else?

Sasha is arguably the biggest star WWE's ever created homegrown. She's a draw on any card. She's cousins with Snoop Dogg-- if she doesn't like her booking, then dust off the script and try again to please your BIGGEST FEMALE DRAW.

This should be Talent Relations 101, and anybody that faults Sasha for knowing her worth as a WWE Superstar/actress/celebrity doesn't seem to acknowledge reality IMO. WWE has booked the Womens Tag Titles like shit from Day 1, and I'm glad it took Sasha walking out for them to do something different/hopefully better. This is what a top draw does for their company, and Sasha is clearly a locker-room leader who's already influencing others to stand up for their shitty booking (Naomi).

WWE officials should be mad that Sasha's a mark for herself.

Sasha fans are pleased that Sasha's a mark for herself, I can assure you.

Also what does her being snoop doggs cousin have any relevance in a creative disagreement ?

It really has very little. My guess is he like a lot of others assume that the only options are WWE treats her right or she goes else where and is a star. Snoop Dogg just has connections to stuff and she wants to do stuff.

[Cranjis McBasketball]

May 30, 2022 7:31:28 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

I actually am on Sasha's side, but acting like she's this huge draw is nuts. Her cousin is Snoop Dogg. Right, and?

Snoop is great friends Martha Stewart, Sasha starts a Household Beautifying show confirmed.

[Nosnorb]

May 30, 2022 16:18:11 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

May 30, 2022 11:52:02 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

MJF will get that in WWE, not sure choking against Britt is a better one for Sasha.

Tony would be insane putting Britt over Sasha. Again, she isn’t Toni or Ruby. I get people want to act like she’s not a draw or something, but she is someone who would bring new eyes to AEW.

Why waste that on Britt?

Because Britt Baker is Alpha and Omega of that division and it would take a brave man to bet against Tony having Britt go over Sasha.

[nihilismizhawt]

May 30, 2022 18:44:57 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

May 30, 2022 16:18:11 GMT -5 kidkamikaze10 said:

Tony would be insane putting Britt over Sasha. Again, she isn’t Toni or Ruby. I get people want to act like she’s not a draw or something, but she is someone who would bring new eyes to AEW.

Why waste that on Britt?

Because Britt Baker is Alpha and Omega of that division and it would take a brave man to bet against Tony having Britt go over Sasha.

People who have pinned Britt Baker in 2021 and 2022: Riho, Nyla Rose, Thunder Rosa and Toni Storm. Im old enough to remember when Shida, Yuka and Big Swole beat her in 2020. Although an interesting narrative, I dont think TK would have an issue having Baker lose to Sasha.

[Celexa Bliss]

May 30, 2022 23:11:28 GMT -5 nihilismizhawt said:

May 30, 2022 18:44:57 GMT -5 Nosnorb said:

Because Britt Baker is Alpha and Omega of that division and it would take a brave man to bet against Tony having Britt go over Sasha.

People who have pinned Britt Baker in 2021 and 2022: Riho, Nyla Rose, Thunder Rosa and Toni Storm. Im old enough to remember when Shida, Yuka and Big Swole beat her in 2020. Although an interesting narrative, I dont think TK would have an issue having Baker lose to Sasha.

I don't remember her losing to Nyla or Yuka lol

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

May 30, 2022 23:15:12 GMT -5 Celexa Bliss said:

May 30, 2022 23:11:28 GMT -5 nihilismizhawt said:

People who have pinned Britt Baker in 2021 and 2022: Riho, Nyla Rose, Thunder Rosa and Toni Storm. Im old enough to remember when Shida, Yuka and Big Swole beat her in 2020. Although an interesting narrative, I dont think TK would have an issue having Baker lose to Sasha.

I don't remember her losing to Nyla or Yuka lol

2020 pre-pandemic for Yuka with a post match beat down. Women's title shot tournament for Nyla.

[Celexa Bliss]

May 31, 2022 0:11:25 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

May 30, 2022 23:15:12 GMT -5 Celexa Bliss said:

I don't remember her losing to Nyla or Yuka lol

2020 pre-pandemic for Yuka with a post match beat down. Women's title shot tournament for Nyla.

Oh that's right! The Yuka match was where she knocked out the tooth, right?

[Mozenrath]

May 31, 2022 0:17:25 GMT -5 Celexa Bliss said:

May 31, 2022 0:11:25 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

2020 pre-pandemic for Yuka with a post match beat down. Women's title shot tournament for Nyla.

Oh that's right! The Yuka match was where she knocked out the tooth, right?

Yeah, curb stomped her into the ropes post-match, I believe, but yeah, Britt surprisingly has lost to most of AEW's significant names with the women, it's mostly just pre-title reign.

[Savage Gambino]

As an aside, since I saw MJF was brought up, watching that whole thing unfold over the weekend was an interesting example of how social media bubbles turn into something like alternate realities, with one side accusing folks of supporting MJF but not Sasha and Naomi, and the other side accusing folks of vice versa, usually with MJF supporters accusing the other side of only supporting Sasha and Naomi because their walkout hurt WwE, where as Sasha and Naomi supporters accused the other side of not supporting the ladies because of... more nefarious reasons.

It was really interesting to watch unfold.

[The Rick Jericho]

It has been fifteen days since Naomi and Sasha Banks took off before “WWE Monday Night Raw” hit the airwaves, and since then WWE has suspended the duo indefinitely, removed their merchandise from WWE Shop, and condemned them in a statement for no-showing an advertised match. And if one is thinking things could be smoothed over soon, a new report is here to throw cold water on that.

In a new report, Fightful Select has revealed that communication between WWE and Banks or Naomi’s camps has ranged from minuscule to nonexistent. They also noted that WWE has canceled any travel Banks or Naomi may have had in the future, another indication that WWE at least sees no resolution coming any time soon.

The report gets interesting however when discussing comments from Wrestling Observer Newsletter’s Dave Meltzer regarding Banks and Naomi being suspended without pay. Fightful noted they hadn’t confirmed whether that was true at this time but had been told by what was described as a WWE “higher up” that if the two were suspended without pay, it was unlikely their contracts would be frozen, as some had speculated may happen. Fightful then stated they were working to get confirmation on that factoid at this time.

If Naomi and Banks’ contracts aren’t frozen, it opens up the possibility that both could be free agents later this summer. Meltzer had previously reported that Naomi’s contract was set to expire within the next couple of months, and former WWE writer Kazeem Famuyide later stated Banks’ deal was also up soon as well. It should be stressed that no confirmation has been given at this time that Banks and Naomi’s deals haven’t been frozen.

The report concluded by stating several within WWE originally didn’t want to strip Banks and Naomi of their WWE Women’s Tag Team Championships, but ultimately did so when it became apparent a solution couldn’t be reached, and that there’s no update on when a tournament to crown new champions could take place. It was noted by Bryan Alvarez on Wrestling Observer Radio this morning that the Womens’ Tag Title tournament wasn’t mentioned at all on “WWE Monday Night Raw.”

If Naomi and Banks’ contracts aren’t frozen, it opens up the possibility that both could be free agents later this summer. Meltzer had previously reported that Naomi’s contract was set to expire within the next couple of months, and former WWE writer Kazeem Famuyide later stated Banks’ deal was also up soon as well. It should be stressed that no confirmation has been given at this time that Banks and Naomi’s deals haven’t been frozen.

The report concluded by stating several within WWE originally didn’t want to strip Banks and Naomi of their WWE Women’s Tag Team Championships, but ultimately did so when it became apparent a solution couldn’t be reached, and that there’s no update on when a tournament to crown new champions could take place. It was noted by Bryan Alvarez on Wrestling Observer Radio this morning that the Womens’ Tag Title tournament wasn’t mentioned at all on “WWE Monday Night Raw.”

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WWE pretty much put themselves in a no win situation here because freezing contracts ontop of no longer paying them sets them up for serious trouble if it went to court and that whole independent contractor because somehow they can stop paying them , freez their contracts but yet Sasha and Naomi would still be obligated to still be working for them.

So they would have effectively prevented them from making a living even though they are independent contractors.

Yea that would have went up in flames almost as quickly as Mr America is Hulk Hogan.

So I wonder if they simply just chose the lesser troublesome route so it did not go to court but anyways if the contracts have indeed not be frozen oh things gonna get real interesting real soon than.

[Alice Syndrome]

May 31, 2022 18:26:51 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

WWE pretty much put themselves in a no win situation here because freezing contracts ontop of no longer paying them sets them up for serious trouble if it went to court and that whole independent contractor because somehow they can stop paying them , freez their contracts but yet Sasha and Naomi would still be obligated to still be working for them.

So they would have effectively prevented them from making a living even though they are independent contractors.

Yea that would have went up in flames almost as quickly as Mr America is Hulk Hogan.

So I wonder if they simply just chose the lesser troublesome route so it did not go to court but anyways if the contracts have indeed not be frozen oh things gonna get real interesting real soon than.

Yeah, it wouldn't really be any different than the Lucha Underground contract dispute.

[Dub H]

WWE finds new ways to wipe their asses with their wrestlers contracts.

[joeiscool]

May 31, 2022 22:04:46 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

May 31, 2022 18:26:51 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

WWE pretty much put themselves in a no win situation here because freezing contracts ontop of no longer paying them sets them up for serious trouble if it went to court and that whole independent contractor because somehow they can stop paying them , freez their contracts but yet Sasha and Naomi would still be obligated to still be working for them.

So they would have effectively prevented them from making a living even though they are independent contractors.

Yea that would have went up in flames almost as quickly as Mr America is Hulk Hogan.

So I wonder if they simply just chose the lesser troublesome route so it did not go to court but anyways if the contracts have indeed not be frozen oh things gonna get real interesting real soon than.

Yeah, it wouldn't really be any different than the Lucha Underground contract dispute.

The main difference is that Sasha and Naomi technically owe the WWE performances. Lucha underground wrestlers where not in breach of contract they just couldn't perform cause there wasn't a place to air the wrestling...

Sasha and Naomi can fulfill their contract the just choose not to .

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

May 31, 2022 23:22:41 GMT -5 joeiscool said:

May 31, 2022 22:04:46 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Yeah, it wouldn't really be any different than the Lucha Underground contract dispute.

The main difference is that Sasha and Naomi technically owe the WWE performances. Lucha underground wrestlers where not in breach of contract they just couldn't perform cause there wasn't a place to air the wrestling...

Sasha and Naomi can fulfill their contract the just choose not to .

They're currently suspended so it's not their choice at the moment.

[Mecca]

May 31, 2022 23:22:41 GMT -5 joeiscool said:

May 31, 2022 22:04:46 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Yeah, it wouldn't really be any different than the Lucha Underground contract dispute.

The main difference is that Sasha and Naomi technically owe the WWE performances. Lucha underground wrestlers where not in breach of contract they just couldn't perform cause there wasn't a place to air the wrestling...

Sasha and Naomi can fulfill their contract the just choose not to .

Considering how close they are to expiring they've most likely already met those dates...most wrestlers exceed those date marks.

[Celgress]

May 31, 2022 18:26:51 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

WWE pretty much put themselves in a no win situation here because freezing contracts ontop of no longer paying them sets them up for serious trouble if it went to court and that whole independent contractor because somehow they can stop paying them , freez their contracts but yet Sasha and Naomi would still be obligated to still be working for them....

I don't like most mega corporations in general, but I especially despise a stupid one that is being stupid out of spite, bad move WWE bad move. The legal risk to their "employment model" far outweighs the gain whatever that would be lol.

[Dat Dude]

May 31, 2022 23:22:41 GMT -5 joeiscool said:

May 31, 2022 22:04:46 GMT -5 Alice Syndrome said:

Yeah, it wouldn't really be any different than the Lucha Underground contract dispute.

The main difference is that Sasha and Naomi technically owe the WWE performances. Lucha underground wrestlers where not in breach of contract they just couldn't perform cause there wasn't a place to air the wrestling...

Sasha and Naomi can fulfill their contract the just choose not to .

There’s also the possibility that they’ve already met all their contractual dates if rumors that their contracts are up soon are true. I remember a few instances (based on books and interviews) where Hart, Austin, Punk etc. had met all there minimum required dates before their contracts expired and still worked past them. Heck Jeff Jarrett and Adam Cole had to sign a short term deals cause of that before they left the company.

[Mecca]

May 31, 2022 23:54:57 GMT -5 Celgress said:

May 31, 2022 18:26:51 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

WWE pretty much put themselves in a no win situation here because freezing contracts ontop of no longer paying them sets them up for serious trouble if it went to court and that whole independent contractor because somehow they can stop paying them , freez their contracts but yet Sasha and Naomi would still be obligated to still be working for them....

I don't like most corporations in general but I despise a stupid one that is being stupid out of spite, bad move WWE bad move. The risk far outweighs the gain whatever that would be lol.

The WWE is still playing like they're the only game in town and there aren't other options.

They're probably going to hand Sasha and IO Shirai to AEW this year and they'll act like it's no loss.