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Post by Legion on May 20, 2022 17:51:16 GMT -5
So, I don't watch NJPW, or indeed really any wrestling outside of AEW and WWE.
I'm a fan of AEW and think they are providing an interesting alternative to WWE while also doing some similar beats.
But, I dont get the NJPW Forbidden Door stuff.
I understand how others are - those who follow all of pro-wrestling and who care about the Japanese scene and such, but as someone whose knowledge and exposure is very much the North American main stream scene, I don't know why I'm meant to care about the NJPW people or the whole Forbidden Door stuff.
I dont think it would take much to make me care; a few narrated video packages would likely be enough to get me to care about who I'm seeing or why the Forbidden door is worth breaking down - but as it stands, I don't care.
Can anyone recommend me anything to help make me care? A podcast, a Youtube video show that dissects this sort of thing? Anything that is going to make me interested in this event and the people linked to it at all?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 20, 2022 17:53:40 GMT -5
AEW's more than likely gonna rev up interest for Forbidden Door when Double or Nothing is over
There's no reason to build for that until DoN ends since it's gonna be its own huge event with like 10 matches of crossover appeal. Don/t be surprised if we don't see some New Japan talent show up at the PPV even
As for a video, this is one I think that'll help
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 18:10:36 GMT -5
Well the promotion is focused on Double or Nothing so that's why from a practical standpoint.
But otherwise, I'm a bit over this idea that fans need things explained to them over and over before they care about it. If you're not feeling it, that's fine, not everything is for you. But it's a smaller, non big4 show aimed at a niche audience. The desire to make shows appeal to the biggest possible audience is what makes things over sanitised. And I definitely not what I want that from an AEW/NJPW supershow.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 18:16:46 GMT -5
Sadly a lot of NJPW content gets struck down for copyright (Japan is a lot stricter than the US). I like listen to the Super J Cast which is a podcast that reviews the most recent shows.
If you’re willing to drop the money (around $10) now is a good time to sign up for New Japan World. Wrestling Dontaku just happened at the beginning of the month (one of their bigger shows) where 6 of their titles were being defended. Right now is the Best of the Super Juniors where the best junior heavyweights wrestling, including AEW’s Wheeler Yuta, in a great round robin style affair. Then it’s Dominion (another “PPV” level event), Forbidden Door, and then NJPW biggest tourney the G1 this summer. A huge round robin with the main stars, usually puts out 4-5 match of the year contenders if not the best match.
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Post by Kalmia on May 20, 2022 19:05:41 GMT -5
I don't think we'll get any packages and promos until they start announcing the matches. There's really no point in introducing wrestlers unless they're announced for the show and they're not going to bother with that until after Double or Nothing.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on May 20, 2022 19:08:39 GMT -5
I think the problem is how AEW was formed, itself.
AEW's ties to NJPW lore are basically built damn near entirely off of Kenny.
Yes, The Bucks are there, Adam Cole is there, Trent is there.
But it all comes back to Kenny and his past with Okada and Ibushi (and to a lesser extent, Tanahashi).
And it kind of feels like until Kenny is back full-time, AEW just isn't going to put in that kind of effort.
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Post by Legion on May 20, 2022 19:10:48 GMT -5
Well the promotion is focused on Double or Nothing so that's why from a practical standpoint. But otherwise, I'm a bit over this idea that fans need things explained to them over and over before they care about it. If you're not feeling it, that's fine, not everything is for you. But it's a smaller, non big4 show aimed at a niche audience. The desire to make shows appeal to the biggest possible audience is what makes things over sanitised. And I definitely not what I want that from an AEW/NJPW supershow. But I do need it explained to me. It isnt about feeling it, it's about not having the grounding to feel anything because I dont know what I'm meant to feel. I'd just like a bit more direction, rather than just the assumption I know or care who random Japanese talent #2 fighting this week is. I dont think it would take much from the show to promote them a little bit and make me interested.
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 20, 2022 19:29:54 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 20, 2022 19:44:58 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment. AEW and/or Khan has the rights to stream their stuff in the US, unless I am remembering wrong? I wonder if that changes when the streaming situation gets sorted out and it's something Khan directly makes money on...
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Post by AwamoriRock on May 20, 2022 19:56:57 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment. AEW and/or Khan has the rights to stream their stuff in the US, unless I am remembering wrong? I wonder if that changes when the streaming situation gets sorted out and it's something Khan directly makes money on... Never heard of anything like that. I’m sure they can use footage. Wrestle Universe and NJPW World now air AEW shows, maybe that’s what you’re thinking of?
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on May 20, 2022 20:04:33 GMT -5
AEW and/or Khan has the rights to stream their stuff in the US, unless I am remembering wrong? I wonder if that changes when the streaming situation gets sorted out and it's something Khan directly makes money on... Never heard of anything like that. I’m sure they can use footage. Wrestle Universe and NJPW World now air AEW shows, maybe that’s what you’re thinking of? Double checked: it was Zarian speculating something of that nature, saying there was word of AEW working to acquire rights to an international promotion's footage, which he mentioned in conjunction with the talent exchange announcement.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on May 20, 2022 20:50:36 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment. That's kinda how Tony Khan operates with any of his "partnerships". Look at the lackluster way he "partnered" with Impact. There was SO MUCH he could've done there, but didn't, and it felt lazy, and uninspired. I hope he doesn't go down the same road here, esp since a "partnership" with New Japan is much bigger deal than Impact.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 20, 2022 22:37:39 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment. That's kinda how Tony Khan operates with any of his "partnerships". Look at the lackluster way he "partnered" with Impact. There was SO MUCH he could've done there, but didn't, and it felt lazy, and uninspired. I hope he doesn't go down the same road here, esp since a "partnership" with New Japan is much bigger deal than Impact. Yeah, it's kind of no wonder Impact seems to want little to do with him when the entire angle basically amounted to, "Kenny comes in and beats all their guys and doesn't put anyone of theirs over afterward."
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Post by markymark on May 20, 2022 22:44:45 GMT -5
This isn’t NJPW specific but ties a lil to the issue you’re expressing—it irks me that when Yuka, Maki, Takeshita etc are around they don’t say something as simple as “subscribe to Wrestle Universe to see more of their stuff!” or if Shida has an upcoming match in Japan, with a promotion they are partnered with, they don’t plug it. Their partnerships with Japan feel very one way at the moment. That's kinda how Tony Khan operates with any of his "partnerships". Look at the lackluster way he "partnered" with Impact. There was SO MUCH he could've done there, but didn't, and it felt lazy, and uninspired. I hope he doesn't go down the same road here, esp since a "partnership" with New Japan is much bigger deal than Impact.
To be fair I dont blame him after how Impact talent tanked the ratings except Morrisey/Cass.
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Post by Rave on May 20, 2022 22:52:54 GMT -5
That's kinda how Tony Khan operates with any of his "partnerships". Look at the lackluster way he "partnered" with Impact. There was SO MUCH he could've done there, but didn't, and it felt lazy, and uninspired. I hope he doesn't go down the same road here, esp since a "partnership" with New Japan is much bigger deal than Impact. To be fair I dont blame him after how Impact talent tanked the ratings except Morrisey/Cass.
I forget, did Impact send anyone other than the Good Brothers over? I know they were teasing Ivelisse/Diamante vs. Tasha/Kiera for a bit 'til Ivelisse decided to be her usual self.
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Post by markymark on May 20, 2022 23:02:11 GMT -5
To be fair I dont blame him after how Impact talent tanked the ratings except Morrisey/Cass.
I forget, did Impact send anyone other than the Good Brothers over? I know they were teasing Ivelisse/Diamante vs. Tasha/Kiera for a bit 'til Ivelisse decided to be her usual self.
Yeah they were teasing it until Ivelisse fkd up.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 20, 2022 23:09:15 GMT -5
That's kinda how Tony Khan operates with any of his "partnerships". Look at the lackluster way he "partnered" with Impact. There was SO MUCH he could've done there, but didn't, and it felt lazy, and uninspired. I hope he doesn't go down the same road here, esp since a "partnership" with New Japan is much bigger deal than Impact. Yeah, it's kind of no wonder Impact seems to want little to do with him when the entire angle basically amounted to, "Kenny comes in and beats all their guys and doesn't put anyone of theirs over afterward." Impact didn't exactly send talent over though, and when they did, people bitched about The Good Brothers always winning. Impact also benefitted by getting a lot of eyes and attention on their belt, getting their highest buyrates since the Dixieland era I believe Their partnership was far from one sided and far from detrimental, Impact's been doing really well since.
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on May 20, 2022 23:11:39 GMT -5
Well the promotion is focused on Double or Nothing so that's why from a practical standpoint. But otherwise, I'm a bit over this idea that fans need things explained to them over and over before they care about it. If you're not feeling it, that's fine, not everything is for you. But it's a smaller, non big4 show aimed at a niche audience. The desire to make shows appeal to the biggest possible audience is what makes things over sanitised. And I definitely not what I want that from an AEW/NJPW supershow. THANK. YOU. Not directing this at OP. They’re not a fan of NJPW because they’re not familiar with it. Ok cool. But good god…the online handwringing about AEW not “doing anything” and just “assuming everyone watches all the vlogs, etc” is consistently disproven over and over by the massive pops in every arena dudes like DANHAUSEN have gotten without working a single match. It f***ing tiring to be honest. But to OPs original point…. Yeah. As others have already said. DON is the focus right now. You watch, outside of the usual post-PPV stuff the seeds for Forbidden Door will start to be spread on the first Dynamite after DON. And by the time the show rolls around shit’ll be white hot.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 23:18:30 GMT -5
Well the promotion is focused on Double or Nothing so that's why from a practical standpoint. But otherwise, I'm a bit over this idea that fans need things explained to them over and over before they care about it. If you're not feeling it, that's fine, not everything is for you. But it's a smaller, non big4 show aimed at a niche audience. The desire to make shows appeal to the biggest possible audience is what makes things over sanitised. And I definitely not what I want that from an AEW/NJPW supershow. THANK. YOU. Not directing this at OP. They’re not a fan of NJPW because they’re not familiar with it. Ok cool. But good god…the online handwringing about AEW not “doing anything” and just “assuming everyone watches all the vlogs, etc” is consistently disproven over and over by the massive pops in every arena dudes like DANHAUSEN have gotten without working a single match. It f***ing tiring to be honest. But to OPs original point…. Yeah. As others have already said. DON is the focus right now. You watch, outside of the usual post-PPV stuff the seeds for Forbidden Door will start to be spread on the first Dynamite after DON. And by the time the show rolls around shit’ll be white hot. To be fair AEW caters to one audience and finding 4k of 1 million wherever they go isn't that surprising because of how well they have catered to them and that is great on them but it also explains why their crowd is always so hot too. These crowds are 99% online crowds and not someone picking up a ticket because they heard AEW is in town.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 20, 2022 23:21:33 GMT -5
THANK. YOU. Not directing this at OP. They’re not a fan of NJPW because they’re not familiar with it. Ok cool. But good god…the online handwringing about AEW not “doing anything” and just “assuming everyone watches all the vlogs, etc” is consistently disproven over and over by the massive pops in every arena dudes like DANHAUSEN have gotten without working a single match. It f***ing tiring to be honest. But to OPs original point…. Yeah. As others have already said. DON is the focus right now. You watch, outside of the usual post-PPV stuff the seeds for Forbidden Door will start to be spread on the first Dynamite after DON. And by the time the show rolls around shit’ll be white hot. To be fair AEW caters to one audience and finding 4k of 1 million wherever they go isn't that surprising because of how well they have catered to them. These crowds are not crowds of people that just saw wrestling was on the marquee and we can't pretend otherwise. We can't pretend that every single person that goes to AEW knows exactly what's going on though, and they don't, but a lot of people know specific acts or go for big time names that they know, and get introduced to those acts as a reward for going Take Takeshita. Didn't get much of a reaction when he came out to face Hangman, had the crowd in the palm of his hands by the end, that's what AEW can do, and they can win you over whether you're in the know or more of a casual viewer. I'm more tired of the notion that AEW's audience is very niche, when it's shown year over year growth. The New Japan show will get development and time, but doing that now before another PPV and its angles are done is counterproductive imo, there'd be too much going on at once.
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