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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 11:17:21 GMT -5
Conceptually I get the idea of pushing Raquel - she's big, she can do impressive stuff, she's decent in the ring, pretty sure she's bilingual - but like... She just isn't interesting. Like at all. At all. When you also factor in how she just in general seems like an idiot meathead and it's pretty easy to just be flat out, "Nope," on her despite her positive traits. I wouldn't even say she does impressive stuff these days. She couldn't do any of her power spots at MITB. I honestly feel like Triple H, while he is more grounded than Vince in some regards, has his own flaws. Like this Raquel push was doomed the moment he had her, Bianca, and Rhea all brag about how she (Raquel) "saved" the NXT Women's division. Likewise he thinks Kross is some big megastar when in reality he's dull as hell and also an idiot. He completely misreads the room every time they are involved in a storyline. Like him trying to keep Raquel as the face when Dakota turned on her was an absolutely massive screwup. Especially since fans very clearly chose Dakota over her. And Kross gets ethered on the mic every time he is in a promo with anyone else. And both of them are boring as hell in the ring. And the fact that he seems absolutely willing to cut the legs from Damage Control in his attempt to get Raquel over is insanely stupid and shows he needs a filter.
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Post by theironyuppie on Sept 1, 2022 14:17:36 GMT -5
Conceptually I get the idea of pushing Raquel - she's big, she can do impressive stuff, she's decent in the ring, pretty sure she's bilingual - but like... She just isn't interesting. Like at all. At all. When you also factor in how she just in general seems like an idiot meathead and it's pretty easy to just be flat out, "Nope," on her despite her positive traits.
Eh, she's good at interviews, bilingual (they sometimes have her cut separate Spanish-language promos on YT), and actually has media training, which are useful skills to have.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 1, 2022 15:08:11 GMT -5
Raquel just needs a better character right now. “Smile woman who flexes her back muscles” is both not interesting and doesn’t suit her.
They need to go back to the drawing board there/
And while I have no real issue with them trying to push her, I don’t like the idea of the tag titles being an accessory just to push a singles performer.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 15:10:06 GMT -5
She needs a manager in the worst way. I liked another poster's idea of putting her in Control after she and Aliyah lost the Tag Titles match, but you know...
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 1, 2022 15:49:13 GMT -5
I think Raquel is kind of a victim of the women's roster being small and as a result them not being able to have people who are just good midcarders. It's either you are a singles champion, a tag team champion in a thrown together team, or a jobber. I think it's kind of the same problem with Liv. If they had a midcard IC type title they would be perfect for that. However as it is there isn't a good fit for them anywhere. World Champion is a little bit of a reach, tag teams are usually thrown together and come off undeserving of being champions, and they have too many things going for them to be a jobber doing nothing. Replacing the tag belts with an IC belt I think would be more useful to the roster and lead to a more clear hierarchy.
Word Title Contenders Charlotte Becky Sasha Bayley Bianca Ronda
Fringe Contenders (can alternate between World and IC) Alexa Asuka Io Rhea
IC Contenders Liv Raquel Shayna Dakota Naomi
Then everyone not listed as people who can be used as mainly to do jobs but who can have storylines and feuds here and there too.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 1, 2022 16:02:25 GMT -5
I've never seen Aliyah do anything as I stopped watching some time ago but she sounds like great entertainment. Where does she rank on competence scale from Asuka to Rosa Mendes?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Sept 1, 2022 16:07:02 GMT -5
I've never seen Aliyah do anything as I stopped watching some time ago but she sounds like great entertainment. Where does she rank on competence scale from Asuka to Rosa Mendes? I wanna say Aksana but like if Aksana puked one time
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 16:10:00 GMT -5
I've never seen Aliyah do anything as I stopped watching some time ago but she sounds like great entertainment. Where does she rank on competence scale from Asuka to Rosa Mendes? To put it into perspective, she was incredibly bad when she first joined the company. 7-8 years ago. She's still just as bad as when she joined the company. You have to actively try to still be this bad after 7-8 years. She gets completely out of breath in like 3 minutes of any sort of even mild offense. Her strikes are sloppy, and its pretty much up to the other woman to make sure she's positioned properly.
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Post by papagiorgio on Sept 1, 2022 16:14:43 GMT -5
I would have probably let Iyo and Dakota win, but maybe this helps keep another team around for a bit, so it isn't just Iyo and Dakota and maybe Sasha and Naomi if they return.
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 16:28:30 GMT -5
I would have probably let Iyo and Dakota win, but maybe this helps keep another team around for a bit, so it isn't just Iyo and Dakota and maybe Sasha and Naomi if they return. Like mentioned earlier though, this puts Iyo and Dakota in a bad spot now, and did some actual harm to Damage CTRL as a group. They should have laid claim to the gold last Monday. Maybe WWE will course correct within the next few weeks, but as it stands, the group is like...not threatening in the slightest. They need a serious credibility injection, and very soon. Maybe that will happen at Clash, but unless this feud is fairly one sided, they are going to continue to struggle. Ideally they set up Dakota and Iyo getting a rematch for the tag titles on maybe the September 12th RAW, since its going directly up against the first Monday night NFL game.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 1, 2022 16:34:11 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad for her. Regal pretty much buries her. If this was a tryout I wonder how she even got hired to begin with.
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 16:35:28 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad for her. Regal pretty much buries her. If this was a tryout I wonder how she even got hired to begin with. I could be getting my timeframes mixed up, but wasn't Johnny Ace still in charge of hires at that time?
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Sept 1, 2022 16:45:20 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad for her. Regal pretty much buries her. If this was a tryout I wonder how she even got hired to begin with. I love how this is edited lmao She's just skipping down to the ring and cut to Apollo like oh f*** no dude
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 16:48:03 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad for her. Regal pretty much buries her. If this was a tryout I wonder how she even got hired to begin with. I love how this is edited lmao She's just skipping down to the ring and cut to Apollo like oh f*** no dude Everyone else is like, "Wow this sucks" and Bayley's sitting there like, "I'm going to take over the company with this bad bitch someday."
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 1, 2022 17:17:48 GMT -5
I like people assuming this reign is to push Raquel when it's obviously to push Aliyah.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Sept 1, 2022 20:54:45 GMT -5
I like people assuming this reign is to push Raquel when it's obviously to push Aliyah. If she is the Michaels to Raquel's Diesel I am all for it.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Sept 1, 2022 21:03:17 GMT -5
Aliyah is going to be a 9 year veteran in two weeks. At this point, what we see is probably what we're going to get and it's not much.
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Post by mistery on Sept 1, 2022 21:08:33 GMT -5
Aliyah is going to be a 9 year veteran in two weeks. At this point, what we see is probably what we're going to get and it's not much. At this rate, FAN is gonna need to create a new award category for just how amazing this is (for all the wrong reasons).
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 2, 2022 2:36:08 GMT -5
I kind of feel bad for her. Regal pretty much buries her. If this was a tryout I wonder how she even got hired to begin with. I could be getting my timeframes mixed up, but wasn't Johnny Ace still in charge of hires at that time? Not sure. Probably. He's been in and out of the company several times it feels like where it's hard to keep track of when he was around and what his responsibilities were after he stopped being an on screen character. Which was around 2012 I believe.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 2, 2022 4:15:31 GMT -5
Aliyah is going to be a 9 year veteran in two weeks. At this point, what we see is probably what we're going to get and it's not much. At this rate, FAN is gonna need to create a new award category for just how amazing this is (for all the wrong reasons). Lifetime Achievement award.
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