2022-2023 NFL Thread: Perk Patty & Chiefs 2X SB Champs

[Gus Richlen: Ruffian]

DON CORYELL IS FINALLY IN THE PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME!!!!

[Mecca]

Mahomes wins his 2nd MVP.

[bob]

Feb 9, 2023 21:34:38 GMT -5 Heart of fools gold said:

Sauce with the DROY and Garret Willson with the OROY get this team a QB and the future is looking good

the entire kitchen sink for Aaron Rodgers please

[sfvega]

As someone who was a Bucs fan until they drafted that rapist, I love seeing Ronde join Lynch, Sapp, and Brooks in the Hall.

Also, I have no qualms with Zach Thomas not being a first ballot HOFer, but he should have been in immediately after. People pretend they don't remember how scary and impactful he was. To me he was right up there with Urlacher and Seau for non-pass rushing LBs.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Feb 9, 2023 23:37:29 GMT -5 sfvega said:

As someone who was a Bucs fan until they drafted that rapist, I love seeing Ronde join Lynch, Sapp, and Brooks in the Hall.

Also, I have no qualms with Zach Thomas not being a first ballot HOFer, but he should have been in immediately after. People pretend they don't remember how scary and impactful he was. To me he was right up there with Urlacher and Seau for non-pass rushing LBs.

I've really stopped caring about whether people are first ballot or not 

I feel like a lot of writers put way too much stock into it and use it for their agenda as well but that's mostly an MLB issue as Football generally gets it right 

[Heart of fools gold]

Good night for the Jets organization. Not only did your rookies win, Revis gets a gold jacket and Joe Klecko finally gets his recognition and due with the senior committee selection. Now all the committee needs to do is eventually let Gastineau in preferably while he's still alive to celebrate it so the sack exchange can be reunited again

[hashtagdaley/JudasDay]

[Push R Truth]

I didn't know I needed this in my life:

[BRV]

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

[Ben Wyatt]

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

I know this is going to be a thing next year, so let me get ahead of it: Andrew Luck is not HOF worthy

[Dr. T is an alien]

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

I can see Freeney and Allen getting in next year with Peppers and Gates. I'd love to say Wayne can get in (I'm a Colts fan, after all), but I always figured he'd be someone everyone was on the fence about.

As a Colts fan, as much as I love the guy, Luck doesn't belong in the Hall. He was on that trajectory, but injuries stopped him short. The standards for QBs is just changing due to everyone getting longer careers.

[Mecca]

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

Hey Jamaal Charles has an interesting hall of Fame case...

[Dr. T is an alien]

Feb 10, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

Hey Jamaal Charles has an interesting hall of Fame case...

He would if he was healthy longer. The only HB coming up anytime soon that has a truly solid case is Peterson, though it remains to be seen how long Henry is effective. A couple of more truly solid seasons and he's a sure shot too.

[Dr. T is an alien]

BTW, the Colts have apparently informed three of their candidates that they won't be hiring them; Callahan, Martindale, and Kafka.

[BRV]

Feb 10, 2023 13:11:51 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

I know this is going to be a thing next year, so let me get ahead of it: Andrew Luck is not HOF worthy

Not a chance. Six seasons with zero first-team or second-team All-Pros, zero MVP votes, and zero Super Bowl wins should be automatic. According to Pro Football Reference, his career comparisons are Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Aaron Brooks, David Garrard, Jameis Winston, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Wentz, and Jake Delhomme, and there isn't anyone sniffing Canton on that list.

Luck was one of the integral role players who helped transform the quarterback position in the 2010s, but he doesn't have the resume to even have a conversation about a Hall of Fame candidacy, especially when there are more deserving quarterbacks who we'll be having conversations about in the coming years.

Feb 10, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

Hey Jamaal Charles has an interesting hall of Fame case...

The absolute baseline for Hall of Fame induction for a running back has to be Terrell Davis. He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, his resume is unimpressive. He doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later.

But even still, in seven injury-plagued seasons, Davis has more yards (7,607 to 7,563), rushing touchdowns (60 to 44), and total touchdowns (65 to 64) than Jamaal Charles did, and Charles played four additional seasons. Davis also has an MVP, two Offensive Player of the Year awards, and three first-team All-Pros, while Charles has two first-team All-Pros and that's it.

Jamaal Charles had a really good career, with a five-year stretch (2009 to 2013) where he was one of the best running backs in the league. But it would take a Michael Jordan at the end of "Space Jam" level stretch to even make a case for him to be a Hall of Famer.

[Ben Wyatt]

I just don't want the NFL to go the way of MLB's HOF where they announce the class and you're saying "wait, what?" to at least 3 of the names listed. The Hall of Fame is for the elite, not "this guy was pretty good, let's toss him in there"

[Mecca]

Feb 10, 2023 14:23:11 GMT -5 BRV said:

Feb 10, 2023 13:11:51 GMT -5 Ben Wyatt said:

I know this is going to be a thing next year, so let me get ahead of it: Andrew Luck is not HOF worthy

Not a chance. Six seasons with zero first-team or second-team All-Pros, zero MVP votes, and zero Super Bowl wins should be automatic. According to Pro Football Reference, his career comparisons are Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Aaron Brooks, David Garrard, Jameis Winston, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Wentz, and Jake Delhomme, and there isn't anyone sniffing Canton on that list.

Luck was one of the integral role players who helped transform the quarterback position in the 2010s, but he doesn't have the resume to even have a conversation about a Hall of Fame candidacy, especially when there are more deserving quarterbacks who we'll be having conversations about in the coming years.

Feb 10, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Hey Jamaal Charles has an interesting hall of Fame case...

The absolute baseline for Hall of Fame induction for a running back has to be Terrell Davis. He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, his resume is unimpressive. He doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later.

But even still, in seven injury-plagued seasons, Davis has more yards (7,607 to 7,563), rushing touchdowns (60 to 44), and total touchdowns (65 to 64) than Jamaal Charles did, and Charles played four additional seasons. Davis also has an MVP, two Offensive Player of the Year awards, and three first-team All-Pros, while Charles has two first-team All-Pros and that's it.

Jamaal Charles had a really good career, with a five-year stretch (2009 to 2013) where he was one of the best running backs in the league. But it would take a Michael Jordan at the end of "Space Jam" level stretch to even make a case for him to be a Hall of Famer.

But..Charles has the best YPC of all time and most of the teams he played on were pure liquid shit. The peak of his career was on his awful teams and he still produced.

[Heart of fools gold]

Feb 10, 2023 23:25:40 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 10, 2023 14:23:11 GMT -5 BRV said:

Not a chance. Six seasons with zero first-team or second-team All-Pros, zero MVP votes, and zero Super Bowl wins should be automatic. According to Pro Football Reference, his career comparisons are Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Aaron Brooks, David Garrard, Jameis Winston, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Wentz, and Jake Delhomme, and there isn't anyone sniffing Canton on that list.

Luck was one of the integral role players who helped transform the quarterback position in the 2010s, but he doesn't have the resume to even have a conversation about a Hall of Fame candidacy, especially when there are more deserving quarterbacks who we'll be having conversations about in the coming years.


The absolute baseline for Hall of Fame induction for a running back has to be Terrell Davis. He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, his resume is unimpressive. He doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later.

But even still, in seven injury-plagued seasons, Davis has more yards (7,607 to 7,563), rushing touchdowns (60 to 44), and total touchdowns (65 to 64) than Jamaal Charles did, and Charles played four additional seasons. Davis also has an MVP, two Offensive Player of the Year awards, and three first-team All-Pros, while Charles has two first-team All-Pros and that's it.

Jamaal Charles had a really good career, with a five-year stretch (2009 to 2013) where he was one of the best running backs in the league. But it would take a Michael Jordan at the end of "Space Jam" level stretch to even make a case for him to be a Hall of Famer.

But..Charles has the best YPC of all time and most of the teams he played on were pure liquid shit. The peak of his career was on his awful teams and he still produced.

The way I look at a player like Charles is like how I look at recent HOF inductee Scott Rolen, good player who definitely belongs in the hall of pretty good but not in the hall of fame. And if he does eventually get in you won't see me rioting in the streets or nothing but I just don't think he has a HOF resume. I think baseline a HOF RB should at least notch 10k rushing

[sfvega]

Feb 10, 2023 23:25:40 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 10, 2023 14:23:11 GMT -5 BRV said:

Not a chance. Six seasons with zero first-team or second-team All-Pros, zero MVP votes, and zero Super Bowl wins should be automatic. According to Pro Football Reference, his career comparisons are Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Aaron Brooks, David Garrard, Jameis Winston, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White, Daunte Culpepper, Carson Wentz, and Jake Delhomme, and there isn't anyone sniffing Canton on that list.

Luck was one of the integral role players who helped transform the quarterback position in the 2010s, but he doesn't have the resume to even have a conversation about a Hall of Fame candidacy, especially when there are more deserving quarterbacks who we'll be having conversations about in the coming years.


The absolute baseline for Hall of Fame induction for a running back has to be Terrell Davis. He had one transcendent season (1998, when he rushed for 2,008 yards) and two really good seasons (1996 and 1997, when he eclipsed 1,500 yards both seasons) but other than that, his resume is unimpressive. He doesn't have the benefit of longevity on his side, as he broke into the league as a rookie in 1995 and was a washout four seasons later.

But even still, in seven injury-plagued seasons, Davis has more yards (7,607 to 7,563), rushing touchdowns (60 to 44), and total touchdowns (65 to 64) than Jamaal Charles did, and Charles played four additional seasons. Davis also has an MVP, two Offensive Player of the Year awards, and three first-team All-Pros, while Charles has two first-team All-Pros and that's it.

Jamaal Charles had a really good career, with a five-year stretch (2009 to 2013) where he was one of the best running backs in the league. But it would take a Michael Jordan at the end of "Space Jam" level stretch to even make a case for him to be a Hall of Famer.

But..Charles has the best YPC of all time and most of the teams he played on were pure liquid shit. The peak of his career was on his awful teams and he still produced.

He had a great peak for sure, but he only had 5 seasons as a feature back. I still don't think TD should be in, but he also has better accolades in an MVP, a SB MVP, over 5.5 YPC in the playoffs. But we also saw how productive Portis was following him in back-to-back 1500 yd seasons averaging 5.5 YPC. Portis is a lot like Charles in that they both played two of their most productive seasons for offensive geniuses. Priest Holmes has more accolades, but he also had a dominant offensive line. If you look at basically the 2nd half of Tiki Barber's career, he has almost 12,000 yards of total offense and 5 YPC which is comparable to Charles' career and Tiki had more milage on him in the pros and in college. Which is part of the reason why Charles' YPC is so high, because he wasn't often asked to be the workhorse because he had a very unique skill set. Most of the guys ahead of him on the rushing list didn't have favorable deployment and were asked to carry most every team they were on in college and the pros, which equated to more mileage, getting more banged up, and a more average career YPC. LT had 8 years with more carries than Charles' career-high. What would his YPC be if he was only asked to carry the ball 200+ times in 4 seasons?

[Toilet Paper Roll]

Feb 10, 2023 14:10:56 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Feb 10, 2023 12:52:28 GMT -5 BRV said:

Next year's crop of eligible Modern-Era Hall of Famers is very top-heavy, but it thins out quickly, so anyone who missed out in 2023 (namely, newcomers like Dwight Freeney or Jared Allen, or those who've been waiting a bit longer like Torry Holt or Reggie Wayne) might have a better shot by this time next year.

The most notable candidates for induction to Canton among the 2024 first-timers include no-doubters Julius Peppers and Antonio Gates. But after that, it's players who are far less likely to receive a gold jacket, such as Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Andrew Luck, Brandon Marshall, or Haloti Ngata.

Hey Jamaal Charles has an interesting hall of Fame case...

Not really, and Jamaal Charles was always my fantasy football binky. But if he can get in the hall you need to put a lot of his contemporaries in.

MJD
Chris Johnson
Matt Forte
Michael Turner
Arian Foster
Steven Jackson