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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Feb 14, 2023 16:08:59 GMT -5
I have a very real question...when will a team try the disposable QB method? I thought Philly was gonna do it but they're saying they're paying Hurts.. I really can't fathom why no team has tried this method...draft a 2nd round college QB that is a Lamar/Hurts etc type of player. Surround them with premium talent as you aren't paying a QB, when those 4 years are up if he's been good, you deal him for picks, draft another one, rinse wash repeat. These QB's running like crazy will lead to shorter primes etc so why not? Eventually someone is going to learn unless you have a true generational passer back there, paying all this money to QB's is not how you win. I mean shit Dak Prescott is killing the Cowboys and that list honestly is far bigger than he is. Anyone agree with this thought? Kind of the Niners thought process with Lance and then lucking into Purdy. At least in the short term; who knows what happens at the end of their rookie deals. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 14, 2023 16:23:25 GMT -5
I have a very real question...when will a team try the disposable QB method? I thought Philly was gonna do it but they're saying they're paying Hurts.. I really can't fathom why no team has tried this method...draft a 2nd round college QB that is a Lamar/Hurts etc type of player. Surround them with premium talent as you aren't paying a QB, when those 4 years are up if he's been good, you deal him for picks, draft another one, rinse wash repeat. These QB's running like crazy will lead to shorter primes etc so why not? Eventually someone is going to learn unless you have a true generational passer back there, paying all this money to QB's is not how you win. I mean shit Dak Prescott is killing the Cowboys and that list honestly is far bigger than he is. Anyone agree with this thought? You mean my Madden strategy? I think you'll find that Madden is not as true to life as EA would like you to think it is. There is a significant value in established winners. I don't expect any of them to get 7 year contracts anymore, but 3-4 year extensions. That I can easily see. The cap rules might need to be tweaked, however. I could see a future cap rule that allows you to select one dead-money contract each year to NOT count against your cap numbers (though that dead money still has to get paid out). That way teams can afford to make big acquisitions that might not pan out without completely boning the team. Then again, if Watson keeps being terrible (and I hope that he does), then I don't really want the Browns to have an out for him. Maybe instead of exempting the full dead money on a contract you can exempt a set percentage of one contract. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Feb 14, 2023 17:06:12 GMT -5
It's also hard to really bring in free agent talent with a young unproven QB. Philly couldn't get anyone during free agency, but lucked out with AJ Brown trade - especially since Brown and Hurts are great friends.
On top of that, it's not like they are a ton of QB's that are also dangerous throwing the ball. Hurts and Jackson are obviously the elite two, but someone like Fields is still too unproven as a passer (which kills me since I'm an Ohio State fan and I know how good he can be) to be a big draw for free agents, which means that you're usually going to have to overpay to bring in elite talent.
There is a reason why these QB's get paid so much. If you have a truly elite QB (top 3 in the NFL) you can compete no matter what.
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Post by XIII on Feb 14, 2023 18:26:15 GMT -5
I think that the rando at QB strategy only works if you have an absolute beast of a defense.
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Post by Mecca on Feb 14, 2023 19:42:50 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job?
Doesn't make any sense.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 14, 2023 20:12:59 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. I'm guessing a big part of it starts with "r" and ends with "acism." |
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Post by S-Chrome on Feb 14, 2023 23:24:45 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. The teams out there looking for coaches can’t be very appealing to a successful OC like Bieniemy. The Colts and Cardinals are looking like dumpster fires going forward. I don’t know how Arizona looked at Gannon after coordinating his worst performance in the biggest stage and still saying, “Yep, that’s the guy we want.” Denver would’ve been a halfway decent look, too, but considering their last coach was the Ashy one. I mean, the pay bump would be great, but do you really see any of the new coaches outside of Payton sticking long-term? I really don’t like the fact the Ryans chose to coach Houston, considering their track record with black coaches. I know he used to play there, but damn. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Feb 14, 2023 23:37:25 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. There’s also the possibility that he’s waiting on Reid to retire. There’s also the downside of being Reid’s OC. Reid is the one calling plays and I don’t recall anyone knocking down his OC’s door during his time in Philly. Philly only ever poached Doug Pederson because they bombed on every other hire. We just lucked out big time with him being a great coach. |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 14, 2023 23:39:55 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. The teams out there looking for coaches can’t be very appealing to a successful OC like Bieniemy. The Colts and Cardinals are looking like dumpster fires going forward. I don’t know how Arizona looked at Gannon after coordinating his worst performance in the biggest stage and still saying, “Yep, that’s the guy we want.” Denver would’ve been a halfway decent look, too, but considering their last coach was the Ashy one. I mean, the pay bump would be great, but do you really see any of the new coaches outside of Payton sticking long-term? I really don’t like the fact the Ryans chose to coach Houston, considering their track record with black coaches. I know he used to play there, but damn. Yeah, but it's not a case of Bieniemy turning teams down. He's tried to get a job for years and been passed over, Reid has even endorsed him to no avail. |
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Post by XIII on Feb 14, 2023 23:42:16 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. There’s also the possibility that he’s waiting on Reid to retire. There’s also the downside of being Reid’s OC. Reid is the one calling plays and I don’t recall anyone knocking down his OC’s door during his time in Philly. Philly only ever poached Doug Pederson because they bombed on every other hire. We just lucked out big time with him being a great coach. This is probably the main reason. Andy Reid is respected as an offensive guru and is the one calling the plays so while Bienemy may be an excellent coach, who really knows how he will do on his own. 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 14, 2023 23:45:31 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. There’s also the possibility that he’s waiting on Reid to retire. There’s also the downside of being Reid’s OC. Reid is the one calling plays and I don’t recall anyone knocking down his OC’s door during his time in Philly. Philly only ever poached Doug Pederson because they bombed on every other hire. We just lucked out big time with him being a great coach. Brad Childress got a HC job after being his OC for 4 seasons. |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 14, 2023 23:46:44 GMT -5
There’s also the possibility that he’s waiting on Reid to retire. There’s also the downside of being Reid’s OC. Reid is the one calling plays and I don’t recall anyone knocking down his OC’s door during his time in Philly. Philly only ever poached Doug Pederson because they bombed on every other hire. We just lucked out big time with him being a great coach. This is probably the main reason. Andy Reid is respected as an offensive guru and is the one calling the plays so while Bienemy may be an excellent coach, who really knows how he will do on his own. 🤷🏻♂️ And Bill Belichick is the greatest coach and football genius of all-time, and yet Josh McDaniels gets chance after chance after chance. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Feb 14, 2023 23:54:19 GMT -5
There’s also the possibility that he’s waiting on Reid to retire. There’s also the downside of being Reid’s OC. Reid is the one calling plays and I don’t recall anyone knocking down his OC’s door during his time in Philly. Philly only ever poached Doug Pederson because they bombed on every other hire. We just lucked out big time with him being a great coach. Brad Childress got a HC job after being his OC for 4 seasons. Shit, I forgot all about that. My dad is a Vikings fan and I gave him so much shit because Childress was a terrible head coach. |
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Post by Citizen Grimm on Feb 14, 2023 23:55:43 GMT -5
This is probably the main reason. Andy Reid is respected as an offensive guru and is the one calling the plays so while Bienemy may be an excellent coach, who really knows how he will do on his own. 🤷🏻♂️ And Bill Belichick is the greatest coach and football genius of all-time, and yet Josh McDaniels gets chance after chance after chance. This is, quite literally, one of the most baffling things in the NFL to me. |
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Post by XIII on Feb 15, 2023 0:00:33 GMT -5
This is probably the main reason. Andy Reid is respected as an offensive guru and is the one calling the plays so while Bienemy may be an excellent coach, who really knows how he will do on his own. 🤷🏻♂️ And Bill Belichick is the greatest coach and football genius of all-time, and yet Josh McDaniels gets chance after chance after chance. I can’t explain that one. Dude must be a hell of a salesman. lol |
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Post by sfvega on Feb 15, 2023 0:08:26 GMT -5
Brad Childress got a HC job after being his OC for 4 seasons. Shit, I forgot all about that. My dad is a Vikings fan and I gave him so much shit because Childress was a terrible head coach. Yeah, Childress was not great. Almost as "not great" as Mike Tice. |
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Feb 15, 2023 10:04:29 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. Because Andy Reid is a brilliant offensive mind and he’s got Patrick Mahomes out there doing his thing. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 15, 2023 11:07:00 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. There can be many factors, to be honest. First, there is the fact that Andy Reid is a limiting factor for him. Sure, it did not stop Matt Nagy from getting a job but that shadow is quite obstructive. Second, and this one is rather key, he doesn't seem to interview well. GMs have to spend a lot of time with their HC and owners have their coach as the face of their franchise, so you need to demonstrate during your interview that you are a personal match for what they want. He does get the occasional look, including going through two rounds of interviews with the Colts (who I'll remind you previously hired Dungy and Caldwell as HCs under Irsay, so I think you can move past the race factor here). They let a handful of their candidates know they were hiring someone else before officially hiring Steichen (including Bieniemy), leaving a couple without being notified in case Steichen backed out (wonder why they feel the need to do that?). Most notably, they seemed to have Raheem Morris as their Plan B, even though they were looking for an offensive coach. He really impressed them during his interviews, and apparently Bieniemy did not. |
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Post by stoptheclocks on Feb 15, 2023 11:10:39 GMT -5
I have a very real question...when will a team try the disposable QB method? I thought Philly was gonna do it but they're saying they're paying Hurts.. I really can't fathom why no team has tried this method...draft a 2nd round college QB that is a Lamar/Hurts etc type of player. Surround them with premium talent as you aren't paying a QB, when those 4 years are up if he's been good, you deal him for picks, draft another one, rinse wash repeat. These QB's running like crazy will lead to shorter primes etc so why not? Eventually someone is going to learn unless you have a true generational passer back there, paying all this money to QB's is not how you win. I mean shit Dak Prescott is killing the Cowboys and that list honestly is far bigger than he is. Anyone agree with this thought? Someone should try it, there have been worse team building ideas. I think the main issue is - when do you let go? Both the Eagles and Ravens will feel they are on the cusp of winning a Super Bowl if things break right. If they jettison their QBs and draft a dud, everyone is probably getting fired and they'll have closed their own window. And you can win with a vet - I think only Wilson and Mahomes will have won a SB on their rookie deal in the past 10 years. |
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Post by Mecca on Feb 15, 2023 12:07:17 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me why Eric Bieniemy isn't getting a HC job? Doesn't make any sense. There can be many factors, to be honest. First, there is the fact that Andy Reid is a limiting factor for him. Sure, it did not stop Matt Nagy from getting a job but that shadow is quite obstructive. Second, and this one is rather key, he doesn't seem to interview well. GMs have to spend a lot of time with their HC and owners have their coach as the face of their franchise, so you need to demonstrate during your interview that you are a personal match for what they want. He does get the occasional look, including going through two rounds of interviews with the Colts (who I'll remind you previously hired Dungy and Caldwell as HCs under Irsay, so I think you can move past the race factor here). They let a handful of their candidates know they were hiring someone else before officially hiring Steichen (including Bieniemy), leaving a couple without being notified in case Steichen backed out (wonder why they feel the need to do that?). Most notably, they seemed to have Raheem Morris as their Plan B, even though they were looking for an offensive coach. He really impressed them during his interviews, and apparently Bieniemy did not. It seems odd that teams hired OC after OC from Reid for years until Bieniemy f*** Matt Nagy got a HC job. |
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