|
Post by Zombie Mod on Jun 6, 2022 13:59:10 GMT -5
Vince is getting close to being left in a retirement home and not being visited by his family. bit harsh to call WWE that isnt it?
|
|
|
Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 6, 2022 14:00:00 GMT -5
Assuming Meltzer's correct than maybe she didn't like the idea of being forced to leave and it led to a row? Meltzer's report says that her leaving was 100% her call, she wasn't pushed out, but once she did leave some people wanted to bury her. His exact quote: It could be true that her call to go on leave was 100% her call but the choice to have her role essentially filled by someone else and have her future role shifted elsewhere seems to be a Vince call.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 14:00:08 GMT -5
Holy f***. I didn't listen to it but holy f***. “No, I don’t think about it a lot, hopefully, if you, if you built something, you want it to continue on, you know, and prosper and grow. Whether that’s with a family member or without a family member. Because my view, this business is, is best for everybody, whether you’re a part of it or you’re not a part of it, and you have to treat it as such."
“You have to be objective, you know, and look at family members or whoever it is just as you would other employees," McMahon continued. "And quite frankly, I’ve probably expected more, you know out of my family members, which is probably not the right thing to say. But nonetheless, it’s like, you have to do the right thing for the business. So if this person is not working out, then they shouldn’t be a part of the company.”That's the quote, so he doesnt quite frame it as him being disappointed with them, as much as he just expects more of them because they are family. I really can't help but read that as "They don't know how to silence their conscience as well as I do to squeeze more cents out of our stock price"
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 6, 2022 14:04:29 GMT -5
Well yea, H and Steph don't like Prichard or Dunn, it's really baffling though that they'd somehow win over family. HHH and Steph are going to win in the end though. Unless Vince sells the company which I still don't believe will happen, the company is going to end up in their hands. Dunn, Prichard, even Nick Khan they can be incredibly powerful right now but when the day comes Steph, HHH and Shane if he wants to be involved will have the power and the majority shareholding vote to get rid of all of them if they want. Honestly, another good shot they have is if Vince does sell the company to either NBC or FOX (NBC having the stronger partnership to probably be the comps that buys them) because the likelihood would be that Vince and possibly Dunn, Pritchard, Ace etc either retire or jump before they’re pushed in a clear out and trying to figure out who runs day to day operations, they go “Hey wait, at least two people on the board are wrestling people so let’s slap some USA suit on top who can nod and approve and put those two running the day to day”. I might be talking out of my butt and it also depends on if they do stay on the board (and why wouldn’t they, if they get the support, as you said, they could kick Khan to the curb) but that’s what I’m thinking.
|
|
thehottag
Don Corleone
We're here for one reason only: fame, fortune, & the World Wrestling Federation Tag Team Champions!
Posts: 1,668
|
Post by thehottag on Jun 6, 2022 14:08:24 GMT -5
This definetly points to Bruce and the rest of the goon troop being the ones wanting to bury her. Those shitbags have to celebrating with so many bad camera cuts that atleast right now they have pretty much accomplished what they wanted which is somehow get Stephanie and HHH completely out of power and securing their jobs atleast while Vince remains running the company. I had a dog, & his name was BINGO. This is a power struggle, plain & simple. Not with Vince, everyone figures he's going to be around until he's carried out. No, this is between the underlings, the heirs apparent. For years & years, Vince was surrounded by a close-knit group - Patterson, Brisco, Prichard, Dunn. However, when Vince's kids came of age, these men slowly got pushed to the side. Patterson dared to speak ill of Triple H's booking, Prichard got canned by Steph after he brought a gun to work (she wasn't fond of him anyways, by all accounts). It was no secret Dunn was first on Hunter & Steph's hit-list, too. But these are powerful men, with big ambitions. As soon as they saw their opportunity, they were back in Vince's inner circle, & when Trips was out due to poor health, suddenly they had direct access to the boss & could remould things the way they wanted to. I have no doubt Dunn, Prichard & Ace have all been in Vince's ear, creating a circle of power akin to the 'good old days'. Khan is just a businessman, & no doubt will prep the company for sale as soon as necessary. Hunter would be appalled, for as egotistical as he may be, he views this company as the cornerstone of American wrestling history (not to mention his legacy). But will he get the chance to do anything about it? Perhaps not. It's all making sense now... ![](https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/photo/image/2010/11/16230204.jpg) Those poor women! I bet they got booed soooooo hard...
|
|
Bo Rida
Fry's dog Seymour
Pulled one over on everyone. Got away with it, this time.
Posts: 23,821
|
Post by Bo Rida on Jun 6, 2022 14:10:15 GMT -5
Vince: Hey Steph I've signed a deal to provide sports washing services to the Saudi regime and despite being an essential business have still Thanos'd half the roster during a pandemic. Make us look good dammit.
Steph: Well that won't be easy but I suppose we can leverage social media and digital platforms...
Vince: Oh and shut down wrestlers doing the promoting for us would you?
Steph:... Vince: Youuurrrreee' fired!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 14:10:42 GMT -5
This definetly points to Bruce and the rest of the goon troop being the ones wanting to bury her. Those shitbags have to celebrating with so many bad camera cuts that atleast right now they have pretty much accomplished what they wanted which is somehow get Stephanie and HHH completely out of power and securing their jobs atleast while Vince remains running the company. I had a dog, & his name was BINGO. I really did have a dog named Bingo! I named her after the movie 1991 movie Bingo.
|
|
john84
Fry's dog Seymour
Proud Father of 3 :)
Posts: 24,299
|
Post by john84 on Jun 6, 2022 14:13:25 GMT -5
It's all making sense now... ![](https://www.wwe.com/f/styles/gallery_img_l/public/photo/image/2010/11/16230204.jpg) Those poor women! I bet they got booed soooooo hard... Would've done if the show was held in my hometown of Liverpool
|
|
thehottag
Don Corleone
We're here for one reason only: fame, fortune, & the World Wrestling Federation Tag Team Champions!
Posts: 1,668
|
Post by thehottag on Jun 6, 2022 14:18:05 GMT -5
I really did have a dog named Bingo! I named her after the movie 1991 movie Bingo. I never had a dog, but I really would like a King Charles Spaniel. I love them, their long floppy ears & big beautiful eyes. Plus, the house I moved into had a dog flap, & I feel stupid having one in the house with no dog to use it. Wife would never have it, though. She resents having to feed the goldfish, never mind look after Sora (already named him!)
|
|
Ozman
Samurai Cop
Chi-Town!!!
Posts: 2,389
|
Post by Ozman on Jun 6, 2022 14:32:41 GMT -5
This is fascinating. Does anyone here think that Stephanie and Paul will ever start their own promotion to challenge Vince?
|
|
john84
Fry's dog Seymour
Proud Father of 3 :)
Posts: 24,299
|
Post by john84 on Jun 6, 2022 14:34:04 GMT -5
This is fascinating. Does anyone here think that Stephanie and Paul will ever start their own promotion to challenge Vince? I'd be curious to see how they did, see what the real differences are between Steph/Paul and Vince in terms of how they do business amongst other things, however I doubt it very highly in terms of them ever doing it.
|
|
thehottag
Don Corleone
We're here for one reason only: fame, fortune, & the World Wrestling Federation Tag Team Champions!
Posts: 1,668
|
Post by thehottag on Jun 6, 2022 14:47:13 GMT -5
Would've done if the show was held in my hometown of Liverpool I bet they did it in Manchester, not realising they'd be guaranteed boos as a result.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2022 14:50:16 GMT -5
This is fascinating. Does anyone here think that Stephanie and Paul will ever start their own promotion to challenge Vince? No. Paul's in his 50s and has a pacemaker and Steph's not super young anymore, either. If they find themselves on the outs with WWE, I think it means their day-to-day lives in wrestling are over. Could I see a world where Paul makes appearances for NWA or indies one day? Maybe? That's one of the scenarios I play out in my head that seems less crazy than others, but it's still a stretch.
|
|
|
Post by Error on Jun 6, 2022 14:55:45 GMT -5
But is that on Steph or Vince? I mean we've seen them attempt change and things get reverted right back to the old ways super fast. Hell, even the corporate people end up back in place after awhile. I think the marketing is on Steph, TBH. I'm sure Vince cares but I doubt he's reviewing every spot. If it was about the actual television product I could see it being more on Vince. I see Vince, or at least that around him, being "That not how we did things back in X" and Vince shutting it all down. I mean Hunter's NXT being a perfect example of it from sets to production to social media it was all fat more modern and successful until they had to Vince it against AEW.
|
|
Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]
FANatic
Writer, Lover of all things Wrestling. Analytical, Critical, Lovable (hopefully). Lets all have fun!
Posts: 239,382
Member is Online
|
Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 6, 2022 14:57:17 GMT -5
The article noted responsibilities that fell under Stephanie's umbrella included marketing, brand business, and creative services along with community and entertainment relations. The company announced a new Executive Vice President and Head of Marketing today, Catherine Newman, noting her responsibilities will include Marketing, Brand, Community Relations, Entertainment Relations, Creative Services and Photograph, much of the same responsibilities McMahon held. The article noted that while Stephanie had described the potential of WWE's growth in sponsorship and marketing as having the potential to be in the "hundreds of millions of dollars" range, that wasn't happening under McMahon. Atkinson, citing a company source, reported: "We weren't seeing that growth," said the company insider of Stephanie McMahon's tenure. "When someone is moved out of a company, it's usually the result of something not working. We took stronger control of that a few months ago." Boy that "philanthropy is the future of marketing, it's the way brands r going 2 win" quote from Stephanie didn't age well at all did it? This is surreal, never thought I'd see Vince pushing his own family away but... WWE's gonna be in a very interesting spot as soon as a few years from now.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 6, 2022 14:58:35 GMT -5
This is fascinating. Does anyone here think that Stephanie and Paul will ever start their own promotion to challenge Vince? No. Paul's in his 50s and has a pacemaker and Steph's not super young anymore, either. If they find themselves on the outs with WWE, I think it means their day-to-day lives in wrestling are over. Could I see a world where Paul makes appearances for NWA or indies one day? Maybe? That's one of the scenarios I play out in my head that seems less crazy than others, but it's still a stretch. The only other way would be if someone was working day to day instead of either and then you might as well not have HHH or Stephanie involved in your company because that’s wasted experience.
|
|
|
Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jun 6, 2022 14:58:45 GMT -5
I think the marketing is on Steph, TBH. I'm sure Vince cares but I doubt he's reviewing every spot. If it was about the actual television product I could see it being more on Vince. I see Vince, or at least that around him, being "That not how we did things back in X" and Vince shutting it all down. I mean Hunter's NXT being a perfect example of it from sets to production to social media it was all fat more modern and successful until they had to Vince it against AEW. Yeah, it's tough to know. I just never really considered Stephanie to be a genuine honest-to-goodness marketer. There will be books one day written on this stuff that will be super interesting to read, I'm sure.
|
|
|
Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 6, 2022 15:03:20 GMT -5
I see Vince, or at least that around him, being "That not how we did things back in X" and Vince shutting it all down. I mean Hunter's NXT being a perfect example of it from sets to production to social media it was all fat more modern and successful until they had to Vince it against AEW. Yeah, it's tough to know. I just never really considered Stephanie to be a genuine honest-to-goodness marketer. There will be books one day written on this stuff that will be super interesting to read, I'm sure. Oh, likely. I guess we also never really got a sense of what she did at times. Like, she went to events and such and promoted the business side but then Titus O’Neal did too and O’Neal isn’t on the board of directors or was Chief Brand Officer.
|
|
Allie Kitsune
Crow T. Robot
Always Feelin' Foxy.
HaHa U FaLL 4 LaVa TriK
Posts: 46,344
|
Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 6, 2022 15:24:29 GMT -5
It may have been something people missed but when he did McAfee's podcast he literally said..I had higher hopes for my children. Vince apparently thinks they suck. Holy f***. I didn't listen to it but holy f***. I know this says more about me than it does Vince, but yeah. This is what it took to finally make me decide he's COMPLETELY irredeemable (I thought maybe there was a slim chance he'd have a moment of "My God, what have I done" closer to his final moments...), and past the point of no return.
|
|
|
Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Jun 6, 2022 15:28:33 GMT -5
Phil Anthropy is the future of marketing.
|
|