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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 16:19:43 GMT -5
Turning Austin heel in 2001, maybe? Even though I think it was great, I think it really hurt business. this is it. Because they did it TWICE. I felt weird posting it after seeing the Owen posts, but I thought I'd keep it "light."
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Post by Glitch on Jun 10, 2022 16:40:41 GMT -5
Ego wise, I would have to say the wbf. The massive arrogance he approached it with is amazing. While he did make fun of the nfl when he had the xfl, with the wbf he actually advertised inside an ifbb event. Having someone go on stage and announce the formation of the wbf there, and having people hand out flyers for it. A long with having contracts slipped beneath the hotel room doors of bodybuilders. The audacity to think he was gonna blindside and put the ifbb out of business. Only for it to backfire immensely.
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Post by Wieners=$$$ on Jun 10, 2022 16:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah, it is so hard to choose one between everything this bat-shit, real-life, looney toon has done over the years.
My top three, in no particular order;
Saudi hostage situation. Owen's death and "the show must go on." XFL 1.0
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Post by Main Event Mark on Jun 10, 2022 17:12:47 GMT -5
Shane.
Joking aside, Owen's death. The man f'd up plenty of times, but someone dying trumps all.
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Post by Legion on Jun 10, 2022 17:26:59 GMT -5
Adam Cole.
Many things can be excused as 'business' even if you disagree it is just business, and that includes poor Owen (the show must go on, especially for that night is awful, but I can understand it), but Cole is a genuine f*** up.
Built for years to be a main eventer in your own developmental, known to be the chosen one by your developmental team (including your son in law and former champs) and yet....given nothing, released and allowed to walk in to the main competitor doing the same thing you booked as top of the show for years.
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Post by thehottag on Jun 10, 2022 17:37:06 GMT -5
In terms of money lost, the XFL.
In terms of wasted potential, the Invasion.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 10, 2022 17:37:19 GMT -5
Adam Cole. Many things can be excused as 'business' even if you disagree it is just business, and that includes poor Owen (the show must go on, especially for that night is awful, but I can understand it), but Cole is a genuine f*** up. Built for years to be a main eventer in your own developmental, known to be the chosen one by your developmental team (including your son in law and former champs) and yet....given nothing, released and allowed to walk in to the main competitor doing the same thing you booked as top of the show for years. Nah, that's Triple H's f*** up, not Vince. Adam Cole was never going to be somebody Vince wanted to push.
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Post by Legion on Jun 10, 2022 17:44:18 GMT -5
Adam Cole. Many things can be excused as 'business' even if you disagree it is just business, and that includes poor Owen (the show must go on, especially for that night is awful, but I can understand it), but Cole is a genuine f*** up. Built for years to be a main eventer in your own developmental, known to be the chosen one by your developmental team (including your son in law and former champs) and yet....given nothing, released and allowed to walk in to the main competitor doing the same thing you booked as top of the show for years. Nah, that's Triple H's f*** up, not Vince. Adam Cole was never going to be somebody Vince wanted to push. Which is exactly why it's a big f*** up. He should have been.
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on Jun 10, 2022 17:46:43 GMT -5
Nah, that's Triple H's f*** up, not Vince. Adam Cole was never going to be somebody Vince wanted to push. Which is exactly why it's a big f*** up. He should have been. Eh. With how divisive as Cole has been in AEW, I don't think WWE missed out on a can't miss guy.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jun 10, 2022 18:59:42 GMT -5
Taking the company public. He’s at the mercy of investors, and due to his obligation to maximize profits, advertisers as well. He went from going “Next one up” if a sponsor balked at anything during the Attitude Era to firing Daniel Bryan to appease Mattel after Tiegate. Result is a sanitized, risk-free, and dull product that continues today.
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Post by Mecca on Jun 10, 2022 19:10:58 GMT -5
This. Even without the major WCW stars Invasion had a huge buyrate for a non Mania. If he had stood up to his wrestlers and hired some of the big guys he could have made an insane amount of money. Even if he didnt hire the big guys the Invasion buyrate proves the audience could have been convinced to accept the WCW guys as a big deal if they were treated as such. This is really revisionist. Who could he bring in? Kevin Nash? One of the main reasons WCW died (behind the scenes). Had a guaranteed contract with TimeWarner until the end of 2001 that was higher than anyone in the WWF locker room, and had no intention of letting go of it, and if he signed for anyone, he lost it. When he did sign, he was too injured to wrestle at first. While he was rehabbing, he injured his bicep. Finally, five months after his on-screen return, he tore his quad walking to the centre of the ring after taking a tag, finally executing his first wrestling move in a ring fourteen months after his on screen return. Not an option. Scott Hall? Fired in under 90 days after the plane ride from hell, was the last in a series of final straws on that European tour. Only made it to Wrestlemania because he was paired with Austin and there was no alternative opponent (Benoit was pencilled in, but not recovered from injury in time). Austin being paired with him at Wrestlemania caused Austin to walk out the first time. At the time, only worth anything at the box office with Nash. Not an option. Scott Steiner? Not medically cleared. Had one atrocious match for the ill-fated WWA in Australia. And by the time he signed, just not up to the in-ring quality of the WWF anymore. Not an option. Bill Goldberg? No passion for the business. Like Nash, he had a huge guaranteed contract with TimeWarner until 2003. TimeWarner eventually paid it up, and McMahon spent months negotiating. And Goldberg didn't want to go on the road, just to TV and PPV only (a huge factor in the fall of WCW was the stars not doing house shows, and also caused a major dip in business in WWE in 2003). Not an option. Sting? The year he spent in the rafters killed his interest in wrestling and he wanted to be a movie star. Another guaranteed contract (March 2002) that he didn't want to waive. Had zero interest in signing for McMahon, as he didn't want to work a schedule, and he didn't like the sexual content. Did two short tours, but only wrestled 19 times in the five years after WCW folded. Not an option. Ric Flair? Was already 52. Like Nash, Goldberg and Sting, he had a guaranteed contract, but settled his early to sign. He would have been a better mouthpiece, but people just didn't want to see him as a heel (something else that screwed WCW, and WWE in 2003), and could have more than carried his weight in a tag match, but not as a regular singles competitor. Hulk Hogan? Had initially refused to sign because of his lawsuit against WCW/Russo over the Bash at the Beach work/shoot. A one-PPV nostalgia pop wonder. After his Wrestlemania match with the Rock, Vince puts the title on him at Backlash, and the buyrate isn't great, Judgment Day where he loses the title is worse. Use him at Invasion, and you waste that one buyrate. Save him for Summerslam or the final showdown at Survivor Series. But a several month long program? No. They both knew it though. Hence had him putting over Angle and Lesnar, before Hogan threw his toys out of the pram, because McMahpn wanted him to put Lesnar over again. Came back a few months later for another nostalgia pop, and the short lived Mr America storyline which he quit before the payoff for "creative" reasons (ie, he had to job too often, and someone else got the spotlight). Eric Bischoff? McMahon tried to sign him, but Bischoff turned him down. Tried to start up a company called MatRats, which never got off the ground. Don't get me wrong, the Invasion was screwed up, but not because of who wasn't signed. It was screwed up because of how they treated who they did sign. DDP and especially Booker T should have been positioned as bigger threats than they were. Jericho could have been added to the Alliance side as a third threat (Benoit was injured), and RVD could have been elevated (although he wasn't making friends by potatoing opponents left right and centre). But DDP was already 45, and the top WWE guys were in the prime of their careers. Undertaker was the oldest main eventer at the age of 38, and was older than all the WCW main eventers. Booker was the only WCW main eventer under 40, and he's slightly older than Taker. Even with all that, the main reason the Invasion failed was that McMahon's ego got in the way (much like Jim Crockett's did when JCP bought out the UWF), and he had to present his guys as better than the failed opposition in every way. They couldn't sign those guys but they could flush infinite money on a football league that was never gonna work.. brilliant.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 10, 2022 19:21:32 GMT -5
All of Vince's biggest business f*** ups came from when he tried to prove he was more than the wrestling guy. WBF, ICOPRO, both incarnations of the XFL (granted the pandemic hastened the inevitable with 2.0 but i don't think it would've succeeded). The worst business screw ups of WWE pale in comparison. The Ratings were already in a downfall as the pandemic hit. But its the perfect cover to why it failed.
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Post by EP 54 is banned from Collision on Jun 10, 2022 19:30:20 GMT -5
Hugging Bischoff as a honorable mention.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jun 10, 2022 19:30:38 GMT -5
Adam Cole. Many things can be excused as 'business' even if you disagree it is just business, and that includes poor Owen (the show must go on, especially for that night is awful, but I can understand it), but Cole is a genuine f*** up. Built for years to be a main eventer in your own developmental, known to be the chosen one by your developmental team (including your son in law and former champs) and yet....given nothing, released and allowed to walk in to the main competitor doing the same thing you booked as top of the show for years. Even forgetting that he wasn’t released, his contract expired and he chose to go be with his wife…Cole wouldn’t even be among the top 200 Vince f*** ups. I think you're underestimating just how many f*** ups Vince has had if you think this is close to the worst. Even if he was called up to the main roster and was the top guy for the next decade it wouldn’t have any great impact on the company. If anything it might be a negative if he doesn’t draw as well as Roman or whoever else would be in that spot instead. Cole is an upper midcard/occasional main event level guy for a major company. He’s just not going to be some massive star. That's not a criticism, there are barely any difference makers in wrestling today but whether Adam Cole is in WWE, NXT, AEW, NJPW or wherever else it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, business wise. It's not a big enough deal to be considered a major f*** up or success, let alone the biggest ever.
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Post by Andee9001 on Jun 10, 2022 20:59:26 GMT -5
Not capitalizing on what he had in 2001. Turning Austin heel and botching the Invasion started the decline in wrestlings popularity
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 10, 2022 21:21:51 GMT -5
Shitting the bed with the Invasion storyline. You really can only have this discussion as 'apart from the InVasion.' They had Booker T, DDP and the Natural Born Thrillers and still got 750,000 buys. They left billions on the table.
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Post by Venti on Jun 10, 2022 21:30:32 GMT -5
Business wise? The combo of turning Austin heel and the Invasion. That's when people watching their shows started tuning out in droves, never to come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2022 21:31:57 GMT -5
Taking the company public.
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Post by Clutchhausen on Jun 10, 2022 22:59:27 GMT -5
Over The Edge 99
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 10, 2022 23:52:46 GMT -5
Since someone already took my "Shane" joke and the Invasion is too obvious, I'm going to throw a new one out there: Sin Cara. They got the biggest draw in the world from the previous decade, and yeah the dude's an asshat but they not only did nothing to acclimate him to the US both culturally and stylistically, they threw him under a totally new mask that he couldn't see in, made him wrestle under annoying mood lighting that made it harder to see the superhuman stuff that made him the biggest draw in the world (while also, I repeat, making him wrestle in a mask that he couldn't see in), gave him an entrance that was guaranteed to have at least one botch at some point, and made him wrestle the same way as everyone else DESPITE BEING THE BIGGEST DRAW IN THE WORLD FOR THE PAST DECADE This is a dude who they were able to get multiple animated movies greenlit with before he even wrestled a match and they completely botched the entire thing. You couldn't sabotage the situation more if you tried. Taking the company public. Yes, the move that made him a multi-billionaire was a massive business mistake. I bet he'd totally re-do that one given the chance.
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