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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 20, 2022 17:47:54 GMT -5
You literally cannot peg this on that, like at all. The MJF promo also did huge numbers, the highest of the show that week, and he has since been off the show. Forbidden Door's also seen good ratings and the highest of the show last week were Forbidden Door segments, I wouldn't call the product "ice cold" off these metrics, but with stuff happening to the likes of Punk and Danielson, it does put a damper on things, but yeah just proclaiming "Oh MJF's promo drove people away"? Nah, not vibing with that take. What exactly is a hot feud in AEW? Wardlow vs Mark Sterling? The NJPW matches seem like they were drawn from a hat and they have like a dozen titles but no actual feuds. Both Dynamite and Rampage have been down since the MJF promo so the facts say otherwise. JAS/BCC is pretty hot and has generally done good numbers/delivered with the live crowds. This is a bad number but makes sense in a way given the number Dynamite did. If less people watched that show, less people would watch this. But we're still a little over a week removed from a number that most people called very good for Dynamite. Even if this Forbidden Door thing isn't hitting with some folks (and unclear given its segments have done well and the shows overall have been up and down generally), we then have Blood and Guts soon. That to me will be more of a barometer than anything.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 17:49:14 GMT -5
I'm not putting the drop on MJF, its on Tony trying to work the fans and journalists and it backfiring big time. But it didn't look like it started as a work, but it turned into one when he agreed to do the Wardlow match I don't think he "worked the fans", MJF legit missed that meet and greet. But I'm leaving it there because I feel like that's gone in a circle long enough
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 17:50:30 GMT -5
100% agree that the product is cold right now. Injuries to key guys (Punk/Danielson) + whatever the hell is happening with MJF + Forbidden Door being a niche within a niche with how unlikely it is that a casual will care about it, etc. I think things will start to go back to normal a bit after FD is over and they move back to AEW centric stories again but they'll have to push through this PPV in the mean time. The Forbidden Door segments were the highest rated segments of last week, and the shows sold out The United Center, the "Niche within a niche" thing is tiring, it's more than proven it's interested well more than enough people in a short time.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 17:52:07 GMT -5
Rampage really just feels like it has little reason to exist. Almost nothing of consequence ever happens on there so, combined with its shitty timeslot, there isn't really much reason to watch it. They advance angles on there all the time though, Sting literally returned to end the show in a really well done segment If you don't watch it, it's easy to say "It has no reason to exist and almost nothing happens" but as someone who watches it every week, they advance storylines every time on there, sometimes in major ways.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 20, 2022 17:52:31 GMT -5
The lack of intriguing storylines, the meh build to the Forbidden Door with a lot of top NJPW stars seemingly not coming, plus the absence of big stars like Punk, Danielson, MJF is likely the reasoning for the drops this week with Rampage and Dynamite.
Hopefully Danielson will get cleared and appear this week. I’d bring MJF back to TV too, and hopefully Omega will be back soon.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 20, 2022 17:54:19 GMT -5
Rampage really just feels like it has little reason to exist. Almost nothing of consequence ever happens on there so, combined with its shitty timeslot, there isn't really much reason to watch it. Yeah, while the wrestling is usually good, Rampage is basically a b-show right now. You get maybe one match that has any consequence. It's gotta matter more if you want people to tune in on Friday nights.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 18:02:06 GMT -5
Rampage really just feels like it has little reason to exist. Almost nothing of consequence ever happens on there so, combined with its shitty timeslot, there isn't really much reason to watch it. Yeah, while the wrestling is usually good, Rampage is basically a b-show right now. You get maybe one match that has any consequence. It's gotta matter more if you want people to tune in on Friday nights. I feel for the most part Tony has stepped up Rampage, some weeks have a bit of a lower tiered card, but sometimes you need to feature more or different talents in that way. But even before this week, Rampage has some pretty stacked cards, he had openly admitted he needed to try more, but it's also hard to get sustainability when you're being jerked around to all different timeslots for over a month
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 20, 2022 18:13:13 GMT -5
Yeah, while the wrestling is usually good, Rampage is basically a b-show right now. You get maybe one match that has any consequence. It's gotta matter more if you want people to tune in on Friday nights. I feel for the most part Tony has stepped up Rampage, some weeks have a bit of a lower tiered card, but sometimes you need to feature more or different talents in that way. But even before this week, Rampage has some pretty stacked cards, he had openly admitted he needed to try more, but it's also hard to get sustainability when you're being jerked around to all different timeslots for over a month This was their 3rd straight show in the 10 pm slot , no?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 18:15:14 GMT -5
It was a good episode, but damn.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 18:16:12 GMT -5
I feel for the most part Tony has stepped up Rampage, some weeks have a bit of a lower tiered card, but sometimes you need to feature more or different talents in that way. But even before this week, Rampage has some pretty stacked cards, he had openly admitted he needed to try more, but it's also hard to get sustainability when you're being jerked around to all different timeslots for over a month This was their 3rd straight show in the 10 pm slot , no? Yes, but I'm saying that had effect on the viewership overall I think, still hasn't bounced back full The rating was pretty fine last week though, it could just be a down week, those happen too.
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Post by asuka007 on Jun 20, 2022 18:17:08 GMT -5
One of the big issues with Rampage in particular is that most of the match outcomes are obvious even before they happen. There aren’t a lot of big story progressions on the show. And it tends to be a lot of midcarders most of the time.
I’ve talked to people who watch Dynamite almost every week. But a lot of them find Rampage to be skippable.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 20, 2022 18:45:38 GMT -5
This was their 3rd straight show in the 10 pm slot , no? Yes, but I'm saying that had effect on the viewership overall I think, still hasn't bounced back full The rating was pretty fine last week though, it could just be a down week, those happen too. June 3: 475,000 and 0.14 June 10: 476,000 and 0.16 June 17: 331,000 and 0.10
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 20, 2022 18:50:11 GMT -5
Yes, but I'm saying that had effect on the viewership overall I think, still hasn't bounced back full The rating was pretty fine last week though, it could just be a down week, those happen too. June 3: 475,000 and 0.14 June 10: 476,000 and 0.16 June 17: 331,000 and 0.10 See? It was pretty normal and that drop is just odd Like Vanik said, the Dynamite was down this week, that could have played into it
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 20, 2022 18:52:22 GMT -5
June 3: 475,000 and 0.14 June 10: 476,000 and 0.16 June 17: 331,000 and 0.10 See? It was pretty normal and that drop is just odd Like Vanik said, the Dynamite was down this week, that could have played into it Right. I’m saying it might be the cold PPV build and the lack of stars that is starting to affect the ratings. We’ll see this week if both shows can bounce back. You seemed to be saying the reason was the moving time slots but that doesn’t check out.
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Jun 20, 2022 19:28:18 GMT -5
Probably a mix of Danielson and Punk being injured, MJF drama taking him off TV and ratings being weird in general last week. The Forbidden Door stuff hasn't been the issue really since those segments have been the ones getting the good ratings.
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Post by schizo on Jun 20, 2022 19:42:29 GMT -5
I watch Rampage sometimes and while there are some good there other times it’s just “eh” and never must see for me. I find SmackDown to be more exciting and entertaining imo. Iam wondering why this show even exist at all like, anything major that happens on the show you could just put on Dynamite the next week so people could actually see it. Otherwise, I see no point of Rampage and the numbers shows unfortunately
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Jun 20, 2022 21:15:40 GMT -5
I really enjoy Rampage and watch every week without fail but I do have to agree it has the B show stink all over it at this stage
You could put the exact same matches on Dynamite and Rampage and because of how it’s been treated since just a few weeks after it debuted it just doesn’t feel as big when it’s on Rampage
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Post by Killah Ray on Jun 21, 2022 0:41:50 GMT -5
I’m more interested in seeing the ratings next week when the build for All Out begins.
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Post by lavelleuk22 on Jun 21, 2022 1:13:31 GMT -5
I have to be honest when I heard Punk was injured and vacated the belt it took me nearly a week to watch Dynamite, and I only watched again because I had nothing else to do
I'm sure I'm not the only one who was hugely deflated after that, and no Omega or Danielson everything has gone a little bland.
I still don't understand the logic of beating NXT in the ratings, then hiring the main guys in NXT to put all over your shows. Bobby Fish is a whole lot of nothing, Adam Cole is generic heel no.8653 and while I enjoy o'reilly as a wrestler the guy just looks like a goof and the tough guy act just doesn't work (although I have no doubts that he is tough on real life)
I think I said this before too, but there's now too many guys who's gimmick is just that they're a wrestler. There's no difference between FTR and RedDragon, or Yuta, or even Bryan Danielson since joining Blackpool combat club. Ethan Page, Scorpio Sky, Athena, Statlander now, thunder Rosa etc. theyre all the same in different make up lol
These guys are OK, BUT it's boring when they're put together. I honestly preferred things like the Sonny Kiss and Janela video they ran, the Dark Order recruitment stuff
AEW was built on the characters on that online video thing, you have so many guys who could be creative, interesting, funny. But AEW has gone a bit like WWE where everything's either in the ring or backstage interviews.
Imo lol
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Post by champchumpchange on Jun 21, 2022 6:15:10 GMT -5
I have to be honest when I heard Punk was injured and vacated the belt it took me nearly a week to watch Dynamite, and I only watched again because I had nothing else to do I'm sure I'm not the only one who was hugely deflated after that, and no Omega or Danielson everything has gone a little bland. I still don't understand the logic of beating NXT in the ratings, then hiring the main guys in NXT to put all over your shows. Bobby Fish is a whole lot of nothing, Adam Cole is generic heel no.8653 and while I enjoy o'reilly as a wrestler the guy just looks like a goof and the tough guy act just doesn't work (although I have no doubts that he is tough on real life) I think I said this before too, but there's now too many guys who's gimmick is just that they're a wrestler. There's no difference between FTR and RedDragon, or Yuta, or even Bryan Danielson since joining Blackpool combat club. Ethan Page, Scorpio Sky, Athena, Statlander now, thunder Rosa etc. theyre all the same in different make up lol These guys are OK, BUT it's boring when they're put together. I honestly preferred things like the Sonny Kiss and Janela video they ran, the Dark Order recruitment stuff AEW was built on the characters on that online video thing, you have so many guys who could be creative, interesting, funny. But AEW has gone a bit like WWE where everything's either in the ring or backstage interviews. Imo lol NXT 2.0
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