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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jun 21, 2022 6:41:39 GMT -5
Speaking purely from my own perspective the lack of Punk, Danielson and MJF has certainly cooled my interest.
Seeing the Bucks win the tag titles again hasn't helped, a team I think desperately needed some time away though I understand why they now can't take that time....shows why it should have been taken while they were treading water and others were shining.
If Wardlow was doing anything interesting to continue his upward momentum it might help.
I've also no interest in the New Japan stuff so hopefully things pick up again in a few weeks.
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Post by hentery on Jun 21, 2022 7:34:30 GMT -5
Speaking purely from my own perspective the lack of Punk, Danielson and MJF has certainly cooled my interest. Seeing the Bucks win the tag titles again hasn't helped, a team I think desperately needed some time away though I understand why they now can't take that time....shows why it should have been taken while they were treading water and others were shining. If Wardlow was doing anything interesting to continue his upward momentum it might help. I've also no interest in the New Japan stuff so hopefully things pick up again in a few weeks. Why can’t they take time off? AEW had plenty of quality tag teams. They’re constantly bringing in other tag teams from other promotions. They have plenty of people just treading water or doing nothing. With that said besides ego why can’t we go without?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 7:49:03 GMT -5
I don't view Rampage as appointment viewing the way I do Dynamite, but that's mainly due to the timeslot. Trying to pin the low rating (and last week as a whole seems to be a TV-wide anomaly) on *insert pet issue here* would be totally disingenuous so I'm not surprised that certain folks are doing just that. Sorry guys, Adam Cole, one of the top five most over people in the company, isn't the cause for low ratings, nor is the upcoming PPV that sold out in under an hour.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2022 9:30:15 GMT -5
Speaking purely from my own perspective the lack of Punk, Danielson and MJF has certainly cooled my interest. Seeing the Bucks win the tag titles again hasn't helped, a team I think desperately needed some time away though I understand why they now can't take that time....shows why it should have been taken while they were treading water and others were shining. If Wardlow was doing anything interesting to continue his upward momentum it might help. I've also no interest in the New Japan stuff so hopefully things pick up again in a few weeks. Why can’t they take time off? AEW had plenty of quality tag teams. They’re constantly bringing in other tag teams from other promotions. They have plenty of people just treading water or doing nothing. With that said besides ego why can’t we go without? Because the Bucks are a draw and stars and a bunch of their draws/stars are out injured. Nothing to do with ego.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 21, 2022 9:32:22 GMT -5
I don't view Rampage as appointment viewing the way I do Dynamite, but that's mainly due to the timeslot. Trying to pin the low rating (and last week as a whole seems to be a TV-wide anomaly) on *insert pet issue here* would be totally disingenuous so I'm not surprised that certain folks are doing just that. Sorry guys, Adam Cole, one of the top five most over people in the company, isn't the cause for low ratings, nor is the upcoming PPV that sold out in under an hour. You don’t think there’s something to MJF, Punk, Danielson all being off TV, plus a fairly cold build to the New Japan show rather than any hot feuds like AEW has had in recent months being a potential reason for ratings to trend down?
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jun 21, 2022 9:42:22 GMT -5
Speaking purely from my own perspective the lack of Punk, Danielson and MJF has certainly cooled my interest. Seeing the Bucks win the tag titles again hasn't helped, a team I think desperately needed some time away though I understand why they now can't take that time....shows why it should have been taken while they were treading water and others were shining. If Wardlow was doing anything interesting to continue his upward momentum it might help. I've also no interest in the New Japan stuff so hopefully things pick up again in a few weeks. Why can’t they take time off? AEW had plenty of quality tag teams. They’re constantly bringing in other tag teams from other promotions. They have plenty of people just treading water or doing nothing. With that said besides ego why can’t we go without? Because they're still one of the most popular acts in the company even if they aren't very popular with me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 10:15:55 GMT -5
I do think that AEW is in a little bit of a lull at the moment (although, strangely, for my personal tastes, AEW is currently the best that it's ever been) and that has had a slight effect on the ratings of the television shows this week.
I do think that TV ratings as a whole were a bit of an anomaly this week, for several potential reasons. The Stanley Cup Playoffs. The College World Series. Power outages related to the excessive heat in markets throughout the East Coast and the Midwest. If the ratings continue to trend downward then I think it's cause for concern but, as it stands, Dynamite was still #2 on cable for Wednesday night, and Rampage was still a Top 25 show on cable in the "Friday Night Death Slot," so if this is the absolute floor of ratings AEW is in pretty good shape as a product.
As things stand, Rampage offers a stellar hour of wrestling and I watch it every single week. But, it's on Friday at 10:00...I honestly can't even think of the last time I watched it live. Rampage is not exactly what I'd call appointment viewing. I'm sure AEW and Turner are both aware of that. I'd be interested in seeing how Rampage's DVR viewership stacks up.
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Post by salz4life on Jun 21, 2022 10:21:41 GMT -5
I always record Rampage and never watch it live. I used to watch it the next morning (or Sunday morning). Lately, i just don't feel it needs to be watched. Honestly, it's starting to feel like AEWs version of Main Event. Nothing of consequence really happens.
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Post by Hypnosis on Jun 21, 2022 11:21:20 GMT -5
I do think that AEW is in a little bit of a lull at the moment (although, strangely, for my personal tastes, AEW is currently the best that it's ever been) and that has had a slight effect on the ratings of the television shows this week. I do think that TV ratings as a whole were a bit of an anomaly this week, for several potential reasons. The Stanley Cup Playoffs. The College World Series. Power outages related to the excessive heat in markets throughout the East Coast and the Midwest. If the ratings continue to trend downward then I think it's cause for concern but, as it stands, Dynamite was still #2 on cable for Wednesday night, and Rampage was still a Top 25 show on cable in the "Friday Night Death Slot," so if this is the absolute floor of ratings AEW is in pretty good shape as a product. As things stand, Rampage offers a stellar hour of wrestling and I watch it every single week. But, it's on Friday at 10:00...I honestly can't even think of the last time I watched it live. Rampage is not exactly what I'd call appointment viewing. I'm sure AEW and Turner are both aware of that. I'd be interested in seeing how Rampage's DVR viewership stacks up. The power outages would explain a lot with Dynamite's viewership this week, because that was way lower than usual.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 21, 2022 11:24:32 GMT -5
I don't think for a second it is damaging the product but they are currently building to a show I just don't have much interest in, and as such are mainly building a whole bunch of talent I don't care about. Nothing to do with whether they're good, I just... don't want to watch NJPW, for countless reasons.
Rampage has always felt lacklustre to me, discounting a few moments. I rarely care enough to watch it and almost never feel like I missed anything.
If you watch AEW to watch AEW talent (not even getting into the profligacy of ex WWE talent these days), then it might be feeling like time to check out until June 27th.
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Post by canceled4truth on Jun 21, 2022 12:11:17 GMT -5
I think the show has seen a definite decline in quality in recent weeks — part of that being due to Punk and Danielson's injuries, which were unavoidable, and partly due to the Forbidden Door build being lackluster, which was avoidable — but until we have more data, this week's ratings very may well be an anomaly. They may also indicate correlation with people tuning out because of those aforementioned issues. For now, though, it's just a data point.
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Post by markymark on Jun 21, 2022 12:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 12:18:17 GMT -5
I do think that AEW is in a little bit of a lull at the moment (although, strangely, for my personal tastes, AEW is currently the best that it's ever been) and that has had a slight effect on the ratings of the television shows this week. I do think that TV ratings as a whole were a bit of an anomaly this week, for several potential reasons. The Stanley Cup Playoffs. The College World Series. Power outages related to the excessive heat in markets throughout the East Coast and the Midwest. If the ratings continue to trend downward then I think it's cause for concern but, as it stands, Dynamite was still #2 on cable for Wednesday night, and Rampage was still a Top 25 show on cable in the "Friday Night Death Slot," so if this is the absolute floor of ratings AEW is in pretty good shape as a product. As things stand, Rampage offers a stellar hour of wrestling and I watch it every single week. But, it's on Friday at 10:00...I honestly can't even think of the last time I watched it live. Rampage is not exactly what I'd call appointment viewing. I'm sure AEW and Turner are both aware of that. I'd be interested in seeing how Rampage's DVR viewership stacks up. The power outages would explain a lot with Dynamite's viewership this week, because that was way lower than usual. Yeah, I think they're a pretty significant part of the TV ratings discussion for last week that have not really been factored into this discussion. news.yahoo.com/power-outages-brownouts-become-growing-193722603.htmlI lost power for 45 minutes last Wednesday, personally.
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Post by champchumpchange on Jun 22, 2022 5:38:56 GMT -5
Smack down drew 2.29 with a high of 2.5 million.
Get outta here that « all TV was lower » theory. Might work for Wednesday but it don’t for Friday.
AEW Rampage has good wrestling, sure… so does WWE Main Event. The ratings being trash might be indicative that the show simply does not matter. Since Punk’s return and the “Victory of the Friday Night War!!!!” The show Has been nothing but predictable matches. Sure the action is good - not disputing that - but every single match on that show has a clear winning half going into it. Nothing about it is must see.
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Post by hentery on Jun 22, 2022 5:54:33 GMT -5
Why can’t they take time off? AEW had plenty of quality tag teams. They’re constantly bringing in other tag teams from other promotions. They have plenty of people just treading water or doing nothing. With that said besides ego why can’t we go without? Because the Bucks are a draw and stars and a bunch of their draws/stars are out injured. Nothing to do with ego. No, they’re not a draw. Aew is the draw. The fans go to see aew. There are no casual fans. You’re drawing the 1 million or so wrasslin fans that watched tna before. They aren’t moving the needle. They aren’t drawing new eyes to the product. In fact they “draw” so much that they’re bringing their traveling circus to summerslam weekend with starrcast in hopes that people beyond the quaint audience they attract normally might see it and be interested.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 22, 2022 6:18:29 GMT -5
Smack down drew 2.29 with a high of 2.5 million. Get outta here that « all TV was lower » theory. Might work for Wednesday but it don’t for Friday. AEW Rampage has good wrestling, sure… so does WWE Main Event. The ratings being trash might be indicative that the show simply does not matter. Since Punk’s return and the “Victory of the Friday Night War!!!!” The show Has been nothing but predictable matches. Sure the action is good - not disputing that - but every single match on that show has a clear winning half going into it. Nothing about it is must see. It was down across CABLE, which is a fact, Smackdown isn't on Cable TV, it's on FOX. There is a difference, and cable was in fact down across the board weirdly throughout the week. RAW being hope is hopefully a positive sign tbh.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 22, 2022 6:22:42 GMT -5
Because the Bucks are a draw and stars and a bunch of their draws/stars are out injured. Nothing to do with ego. No, they’re not a draw. Aew is the draw. The fans go to see aew. There are no casual fans. You’re drawing the 1 million or so wrasslin fans that watched tna before. They aren’t moving the needle. They aren’t drawing new eyes to the product. In fact they “draw” so much that they’re bringing their traveling circus to summerslam weekend with starrcast in hopes that people beyond the quaint audience they attract normally might see it and be interested. They sell out arenas everywhere they go or come damn close, they just sold out the United Center, again, and Arthur Ashe last year, and always sell out their PPVs Forgive me if I'm not buying the "They're only drawing fans of old TNA", cause lemme tell ya, TNA didn't get fans like this, they didn't draw in arenas as consistently as AEW does. AEW does indeed have a devoted fanbase, usually getting around a million live viewers every week, but that doesn't factor in DVR, or even other metrics of viewership. Nielson is not in everyone's homes, they are and always have been an estimation, which advertisers and such monitor mind you, but it is not always indicative of the exact numbers watching at all times or even live. So the dig at them "Bringing their travelling circus" to Summerslam is pretty cheap and shitty tbh, especially when Starrcast isn't even AEW's thing and never has been, that's Conrad's thing. A guy who has loosely been involved with AEW during their start, and really hasn't been since, so I don't really think this is a fair comparison.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 22, 2022 6:46:06 GMT -5
Because the Bucks are a draw and stars and a bunch of their draws/stars are out injured. Nothing to do with ego. No, they’re not a draw. Aew is the draw. The fans go to see aew. There are no casual fans. You’re drawing the 1 million or so wrasslin fans that watched tna before. They aren’t moving the needle. They aren’t drawing new eyes to the product. In fact they “draw” so much that they’re bringing their traveling circus to summerslam weekend with starrcast in hopes that people beyond the quaint audience they attract normally might see it and be interested. There are many things wrong with this post. 1 million live viewership 10-15 years ago when TNA drew 1 million is completely different than 1 million viewers now in this modern cable landscape. It’s why 15 years ago Raw was drawing 4-5 million yet their rights fees still keep going up despite drawing 1.8-2 million today. It’s the same reason that AEW is being paid 50 something million or more for Dynamite’s 1 million while TNA struggled to ever get a big rights fee deal its whole existence. It’s also likely that AEW’s fan base is much bigger (and more devoted) than TNA’s than the cable viewership would indicate because AEW draws much bigger crowds on a consistent basis than TNA ever did, and ditto PPV buys. As to Starrcast, that’s a Conrad vehicle and has nothing to do with AEW, except that their wrestlers are free to attend whatever conventions/signings they want to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2022 8:51:00 GMT -5
Because the Bucks are a draw and stars and a bunch of their draws/stars are out injured. Nothing to do with ego. No, they’re not a draw. Aew is the draw. The fans go to see aew. There are no casual fans. You’re drawing the 1 million or so wrasslin fans that watched tna before. They aren’t moving the needle. They aren’t drawing new eyes to the product. In fact they “draw” so much that they’re bringing their traveling circus to summerslam weekend with starrcast in hopes that people beyond the quaint audience they attract normally might see it and be interested. How much self-loathing do you have to have to spend time posting derisively about "wrasslin fans" on a wrestling forum? Because I've got news for ya - despite the McMahon family's best efforts to make it something else over the last 30 years, WWE is "wrasslin" too. Then, now, and forever. Speaking about "wrasslin" in a condescending tone is the height of hypocrisy. Even if you consider yourself a "WWE-only fan," and won't even bat an eyelash at the "traveling circuses" of AEW and the indies, you're still a fan of professional wrestling. The only reason WWE is more popular is because it's been around longer, and if you think it's, somehow, more socially acceptable in the mainstream then you're lying to yourself. Wrestling is weird, nerdy, niche form of entertainment that we all love anyway whether it's WWE, AEW, CZW, or anything in between.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jun 22, 2022 8:56:02 GMT -5
No, they’re not a draw. Aew is the draw. The fans go to see aew. There are no casual fans. You’re drawing the 1 million or so wrasslin fans that watched tna before. They aren’t moving the needle. They aren’t drawing new eyes to the product. In fact they “draw” so much that they’re bringing their traveling circus to summerslam weekend with starrcast in hopes that people beyond the quaint audience they attract normally might see it and be interested. How much self-loathing do you have to have to spend time posting derisively about "wrasslin fans" on a wrestling forum? Because I've got news for ya - despite the McMahon family's best efforts to make it something else over the last 30 years, WWE is "wrasslin" too. Then, now, and forever. Speaking about "wrasslin" in a condescending tone is the height of hypocrisy. Even if you consider yourself a "WWE-only fan," and won't even bat an eyelash at the "traveling circuses" of AEW and the indies, you're still a fan of professional wrestling. The only reason WWE is more popular is because it's been around longer, and if you think it's, somehow, more socially acceptable in the mainstream then you're lying to yourself. Wrestling is weird, nerdy, niche form of entertainment that we all love anyway whether it's WWE, AEW, CZW, or anything in between. Agreed except for the part about the only reason being how long it’s been around. I and many others enjoy their shows and style of product more as well, which contributes to its popularity.
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