TK missing the easiest layup of all time not booking Sonny

[champchumpchange]

What do you think of this?

It's Pride month, Kiss was a featured commercial during the month, but zero appearances on TV, in-ring or a segment. Do we think Kiss isn't getting re-signed, and as such, TK doesn't want to book him?

Could that be why there's been zero on-screen interactions between Kiss and Jade/Baddies, despite all the online clamour for it? 

Honestly, it just seemed like such an easy layup to book Kiss on Dynamite, or even Rampage, and yet....

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I agree, I think it's a definite missed opportunity. There's still a chance Sonny could end up with the Baddies depending on how long that story goes for but his absence from the TV shows makes his inclusion in the Pride month commercials feel like tokenism, which is never a criticism I'd made of AEW before.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Few thoughts:

1. Sonny is fine, but I don't think she's particularly great. She had a few decent matches with Janela but there's a LOT of talent already on the AEW roster.
2. Booking someone during Pride month just because they're part of the community feels like pandering to me.
3. It's also pandering to use Sonny in hype videos like she's regularly on TV when she's not, so I get why people are pissed about that.

AEW's had a trans women's world champ, gay wrestlers featured regularly and we just had the first match between two transgender workers in AEW on Dark Elevation. I feel like they do a pretty OK job with representation overall. I can see why as a talent Sonny is frustrated she's not being used but it also feels like a Sonny issue and not an AEW one, if that makes sense.

[dbrussel]

easiest layup of all time? Please

Guy isnt that great

I hope Orange is booked the whole month of september since it's citrics month...

[kingoftheindies]

Jun 30, 2022 8:13:04 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Few thoughts:

1. Sonny is fine, but I don't think she's particularly great. She had a few decent matches with Janela but there's a LOT of talent already on the AEW roster.
2. Booking someone during Pride month just because they're part of the community feels like pandering to me.
3. It's also pandering to use Sonny in hype videos like she's regularly on TV when she's not, so I get why people are pissed about that.

AEW's had a trans women's world champ, gay wrestlers featured regularly and we just had the first match between two transgender workers in AEW on Dark Elevation. I feel like they do a pretty OK job with representation overall. I can see why as a talent Sonny is frustrated she's not being used but it also feels like a Sonny issue and not an AEW one, if that makes sense.

I think Sonny would fit fine with the baddies if AEW went that direction but I do agree, that Sonny does tend to get overrated after getting some hype from the last season of LU

[Mecca]

Sonny getting super pissed at the AEW twitter that is run by Warner Bros probably didn't help the cause if we're being honest.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 30, 2022 8:30:40 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Jun 30, 2022 8:13:04 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Few thoughts:

1. Sonny is fine, but I don't think she's particularly great. She had a few decent matches with Janela but there's a LOT of talent already on the AEW roster.
2. Booking someone during Pride month just because they're part of the community feels like pandering to me.
3. It's also pandering to use Sonny in hype videos like she's regularly on TV when she's not, so I get why people are pissed about that.

AEW's had a trans women's world champ, gay wrestlers featured regularly and we just had the first match between two transgender workers in AEW on Dark Elevation. I feel like they do a pretty OK job with representation overall. I can see why as a talent Sonny is frustrated she's not being used but it also feels like a Sonny issue and not an AEW one, if that makes sense.

I think Sonny would fit fine with the baddies if AEW went that direction but I do agree, that Sonny does tend to get overrated after getting some hype from the last season of LU

Yeah, she would, but my thought is like, to be in the Baddies she'd probably need to get physical with the women on Jade's behalf.

1. Does Warner want that? 2. Is it worth the annoying bad faith criticism that could come as a result? I'm not sure.

[lucas_lee]

Jun 30, 2022 8:47:00 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 30, 2022 8:30:40 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

I think Sonny would fit fine with the baddies if AEW went that direction but I do agree, that Sonny does tend to get overrated after getting some hype from the last season of LU

Yeah, she would, but my thought is like, to be in the Baddies she'd probably need to get physical with the women on Jade's behalf.

1. Does Warner want that? 2. Is it worth the annoying bad faith criticism that could come as a result? I'm not sure.

WB has a walking nuclear bomb in terms of Ezra Miller to deal with, plus the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard debacle a niche audience in wrestling is the least of their concerns especially from a bunch of bad faith trolls. Plus with all the injuries on the roster they should take chances especially since the top heavy roster they have is older and will be more prone to injury.

EDIT:
I almost forgot that they're also dealing with the fallout of the Snydercut debacle, one of their executives sleeping with an actress in exchange for roles that didn't pan out, one of the people behind one of their hit franchises being a major transphobic nutcase, and Joss Whedon abusing people on the set of Justice League. WB especially the film division is having a lot of issues. So I dont think a wrestling show would cause that much of a problem except with a bunch of racketman cultists and homophobes.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 30, 2022 9:04:00 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jun 30, 2022 8:47:00 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Yeah, she would, but my thought is like, to be in the Baddies she'd probably need to get physical with the women on Jade's behalf.

1. Does Warner want that? 2. Is it worth the annoying bad faith criticism that could come as a result? I'm not sure.

WB has a walking nuclear bomb in terms of Ezra Miller to deal with, plus the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard debacle a niche audience in wrestling is the least of their concerns especially from a bunch of bad faith trolls. Plus with all the injuries on the roster they should take chances especially since the top heavy roster they have is older and will be more prone to injury.

EDIT:
I almost forgot that they're also dealing with the fallout of the Snydercut debacle, one of their executives sleeping with an actress in exchange for roles that didn't pan out, one of the people behind one of their hit franchises being a major transphobic nutcase, and Joss Whedon abusing people on the set of Justice League. WB especially the film division is having a lot of issues. So I dont think a wrestling show would cause that much of a problem except with a bunch of racketman cultists and homophobes.

All it'd take is one stupid Fox News segment and they'd have people annoying them. Also, my point is that Warner/Discovery weighs in on the show when they feel it's necessary. They wanted the All Atlantic Title, for instance.

I am all for people getting pushes and taking chances, but I also think there are a LOT of people on that roster worth taking a chance on before Sonny when you purely look at it from a talent standpoint.

[lucas_lee]

Jun 30, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:04:00 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

WB has a walking nuclear bomb in terms of Ezra Miller to deal with, plus the Johnny Depp/Amber Heard debacle a niche audience in wrestling is the least of their concerns especially from a bunch of bad faith trolls. Plus with all the injuries on the roster they should take chances especially since the top heavy roster they have is older and will be more prone to injury.

EDIT:
I almost forgot that they're also dealing with the fallout of the Snydercut debacle, one of their executives sleeping with an actress in exchange for roles that didn't pan out, one of the people behind one of their hit franchises being a major transphobic nutcase, and Joss Whedon abusing people on the set of Justice League. WB especially the film division is having a lot of issues. So I dont think a wrestling show would cause that much of a problem except with a bunch of racketman cultists and homophobes.

All it'd take is one stupid Fox News segment and they'd have people annoying them. Also, my point is that Warner/Discovery weighs in on the show when they feel it's necessary. They wanted the All Atlantic Title, for instance.

I am all for people getting pushes and taking chances, but I also think there are a LOT of people on that roster worth taking a chance on before Sonny when you purely look at it from a talent standpoint.

I disagree with you on that. The only ones I'd give a look before Sonny is the Acclaimed and they're starting to get TV time all it took was for them to be behind three white guys. (Which is my issue with some of TK's unintentional booking.) It doesn't help TK is hot and cold with pushing Team Tazz but at least they're on TV, if they were gonna use Sonnys ad why not give her a chance on TV she's really over anytime she comes out and who gives a flying **** about those chuds at Fox News?

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 30, 2022 9:19:46 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

All it'd take is one stupid Fox News segment and they'd have people annoying them. Also, my point is that Warner/Discovery weighs in on the show when they feel it's necessary. They wanted the All Atlantic Title, for instance.

I am all for people getting pushes and taking chances, but I also think there are a LOT of people on that roster worth taking a chance on before Sonny when you purely look at it from a talent standpoint.

I disagree with you on that. The only ones I'd give a look before Sonny is the Acclaimed and they're starting to get TV time all it took was for them to be behind three white guys. (Which is my issue with some of TK's unintentional booking.) It doesn't help TK is hot and cold with pushing Team Tazz but at least they're on TV, if they were gonna use Sonnys ad why not give her a chance on TV she's really over anytime she comes out and who gives a flying **** about those chuds at Fox News?

The business cares about not getting bad publicity. That's why they'd care about those chuds. I do agree they're chuds, for what it's worth.

Also, it's not accurate to suggest that The Acclaimed weren't getting exposure before the Gunn Club stuff and that it's accidental racism or something. Were they all over Dynamite? No, but they're a regularly featured midcard tag team that's received title shots, been on PPVs, etc. It's not like they were in obscurity.

[lucas_lee]

Jun 30, 2022 9:28:28 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:19:46 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

I disagree with you on that. The only ones I'd give a look before Sonny is the Acclaimed and they're starting to get TV time all it took was for them to be behind three white guys. (Which is my issue with some of TK's unintentional booking.) It doesn't help TK is hot and cold with pushing Team Tazz but at least they're on TV, if they were gonna use Sonnys ad why not give her a chance on TV she's really over anytime she comes out and who gives a flying **** about those chuds at Fox News?

The business cares about not getting bad publicity. That's why they'd care about those chuds. I do agree they're chuds, for what it's worth.

Also, it's not accurate to suggest that The Acclaimed weren't getting exposure before the Gunn Club stuff and that it's accidental racism or something. Were they all over Dynamite? No, but they're a regularly featured midcard tag team that's received title shots, been on PPVs, etc. It's not like they were in obscurity.

But its not like they were featured regularly, they're getting featured regularly now they're behind the Ass Boys whether you like it or not the optics of that looks bad. If WB cared about not getting bad publicity they'd curb a lot of nonsense going on behind the scenes but they got way worse stuff than Sonny Kiss potentially wrestling women for that to matter

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 30, 2022 9:32:02 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:28:28 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

The business cares about not getting bad publicity. That's why they'd care about those chuds. I do agree they're chuds, for what it's worth.

Also, it's not accurate to suggest that The Acclaimed weren't getting exposure before the Gunn Club stuff and that it's accidental racism or something. Were they all over Dynamite? No, but they're a regularly featured midcard tag team that's received title shots, been on PPVs, etc. It's not like they were in obscurity.

But its not like they were featured regularly, they're getting featured regularly now they're behind the Ass Boys whether you like it or not the optics of that looks bad. If WB cared about not getting bad publicity they'd curb a lot of nonsense going on behind the scenes but they got way worse stuff than Sonny Kiss potentially wrestling women for that to matter

Agree to disagree, but I will say that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone even bring up the optics of Gunn Club and Acclaimed together. All of this is based on opinion, so I'm glad Sonny has her fans. My opinion is that roster is way too deep to justify giving Sonny a shot over people like Dante Martin, Angelico, The Factory, Lee Johnson, Lee Moriarty and others.

[lucas_lee]

Jun 30, 2022 9:43:58 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:32:02 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

But its not like they were featured regularly, they're getting featured regularly now they're behind the Ass Boys whether you like it or not the optics of that looks bad. If WB cared about not getting bad publicity they'd curb a lot of nonsense going on behind the scenes but they got way worse stuff than Sonny Kiss potentially wrestling women for that to matter

Agree to disagree, but I will say that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone even bring up the optics of Gunn Club and Acclaimed together. All of this is based on opinion, so I'm glad Sonny has her fans. My opinion is that roster is way too deep to justify giving Sonny a shot over people like Dante Martin, Angelico, The Factory, Lee Johnson, Lee Moriarty and others.

I'll respectfully disagree with you on that. If people are calling for some TV time on social media TK shouldn't have an excuse to try something new especially with people going down left and right. Especially when he shoves all those names you listed back down with new signings.

[FinalGwen]

Jun 30, 2022 9:43:58 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:32:02 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

But its not like they were featured regularly, they're getting featured regularly now they're behind the Ass Boys whether you like it or not the optics of that looks bad. If WB cared about not getting bad publicity they'd curb a lot of nonsense going on behind the scenes but they got way worse stuff than Sonny Kiss potentially wrestling women for that to matter

Agree to disagree, but I will say that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone even bring up the optics of Gunn Club and Acclaimed together. All of this is based on opinion, so I'm glad Sonny has her fans. My opinion is that roster is way too deep to justify giving Sonny a shot over people like Dante Martin, Angelico, The Factory, Lee Johnson, Lee Moriarty and others.

Too deep to give Sonny any time, but shallow enough to give Bobby Fish 21 TV matches, or give The Blade and Tony Nese a world title opportunity.

[Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite]

Jun 30, 2022 9:19:46 GMT -5 lucas_lee said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

All it'd take is one stupid Fox News segment and they'd have people annoying them. Also, my point is that Warner/Discovery weighs in on the show when they feel it's necessary. They wanted the All Atlantic Title, for instance.

I am all for people getting pushes and taking chances, but I also think there are a LOT of people on that roster worth taking a chance on before Sonny when you purely look at it from a talent standpoint.

I disagree with you on that. The only ones I'd give a look before Sonny is the Acclaimed and they're starting to get TV time all it took was for them to be behind three white guys. (Which is my issue with some of TK's unintentional booking.) It doesn't help TK is hot and cold with pushing Team Tazz but at least they're on TV, if they were gonna use Sonnys ad why not give her a chance on TV she's really over anytime she comes out and who gives a flying **** about those chuds at Fox News?

If anything I'd say The Ass Boys were elevated from their association with the Acclaimed (And Danhausen giving them that nickname)

The Acclaimed were featured pretty heavily as a team when they're both healthy and their entrance usually popped the crowd.

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I don't think it's that complicated. They find Sonny to have an inspiring story and want to showcase that for Pride month which is all fine and good but as a booker, TK for whatever reason doesn't think she's TV ready right now or at the very least doesn't have a push in mind. And if you don't have plans for her, I don't think having her on just for Pride month is a great thing either. It's unfortunate. I like Sonny as a performer. I've said it before but since she's genderfluid, I wish they would have her mix it up with the women as I think her athletic ability would stand out more in that division but it looks like that's not their direction right now.

[lucas_lee]

Jun 30, 2022 10:09:37 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Jun 30, 2022 9:43:58 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Agree to disagree, but I will say that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone even bring up the optics of Gunn Club and Acclaimed together. All of this is based on opinion, so I'm glad Sonny has her fans. My opinion is that roster is way too deep to justify giving Sonny a shot over people like Dante Martin, Angelico, The Factory, Lee Johnson, Lee Moriarty and others.

Too deep to give Sonny any time, but shallow enough to give Bobby Fish 21 TV matches, or give The Blade and Tony Nese a world title opportunity.

And Sonnys last TV match was the Cody Rhodes debacle where it lasted the length to tie your shoes right? Or am I remembering that wrong?

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I don’t know why people keep assuming that if they put Kiss in the Baddies that means Kiss will have to fight women.

If anything having a Baddie that competes in the men’s division is more interesting. Usually with stables you get mostly dudes with sometimes a token women’s division rep. It would be refreshing to have a stable that is mostly focused on the women’s division have one member competing in the mens.

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Jun 30, 2022 9:43:58 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Agree to disagree, but I will say that this is the first time I've ever seen anyone even bring up the optics of Gunn Club and Acclaimed together. All of this is based on opinion, so I'm glad Sonny has her fans. My opinion is that roster is way too deep to justify giving Sonny a shot over people like Dante Martin, Angelico, The Factory, Lee Johnson, Lee Moriarty and others.

The other names I'll grant you, but there's no universe in which Sonny isn't more deserving of TV time than the goddamn Factory.