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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 3, 2022 20:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 3, 2022 22:23:21 GMT -5
Kind of upset we're not getting another season of most wanted treasures, that was some fun stuff. Wonder if the Angle doc will show TNA footage (they've shown TNA footage on WWE shows before).
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 10, 2022 15:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by fw91 on Jul 10, 2022 16:40:45 GMT -5
Nice way to kill a summer's Sunday Night, but man we've been down the road with HBK/Bret several times already.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 10, 2022 16:42:16 GMT -5
Nice way to kill a summer's Sunday Night, but man we've been down the road with HBK/Bret several times already. I'll take more Bret/Shawn over the OVERKILL on the Undertaker. I mean didn't he have like a 5 part series 2 years ago?
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jul 10, 2022 16:42:41 GMT -5
Nice way to kill a summer's Sunday Night, but man we've been down the road with HBK/Bret several times already. For sure. I think these are targeted at lapsed fans or fans that may not have been hit over the head with the Montreal Screw Job 90 times.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 10, 2022 19:03:54 GMT -5
Anyone watching this Undertaker show?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 10, 2022 19:19:47 GMT -5
Anyone watching this Undertaker show? Got my DVR recording it. Don't know if I'm gonna watch it though.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 10, 2022 19:53:21 GMT -5
Did they quickly edit this for HHH to speak for Vince? HHH wasn't around to have any knowledge of Undertaker's early WWF days and how it came to be.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 11, 2022 12:35:47 GMT -5
Only thing I wasnt aware of previously was that Heyman was involved in Mark going to the WWF.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Jul 11, 2022 17:18:11 GMT -5
Did they quickly edit this for HHH to speak for Vince? HHH wasn't around to have any knowledge of Undertaker's early WWF days and how it came to be. Hahaha watching it now and it’s definitely what happened. It’s so random for HHH to narrate McMahon’s role in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 19:41:29 GMT -5
"bret's contract was coming to an end" at the end of 97 is now the official story I guess. I busted out laughing when they tried to convince me of that. He signed a 20 year deal in mid 96 and vince came to bret and told him he was breaking it and to go get his wcw deal in mid 97. This show is saying bret's deal "ending" a year after he signed a 20 year deal caused montreal to happen. And everyone but bret is on shawn's side on the montreal thing in this, without mentioning that bret offered to lose to *anyone* but shawn to lose the title. And kevin owens saying he didn't know vince was the owner in 1997 and that he was just a commentator, lol. I like watching these shows and all, but the "here's our version of things" can get ridiculous with these things
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 11, 2022 20:07:41 GMT -5
"bret's contract was coming to an end" at the end of 97 is now the official story I guess. I busted out laughing when they tried to convince me of that. He signed a 20 year deal in mid 96 and vince came to bret and told him he was breaking it and to go get his wcw deal in mid 97. This show is saying bret's deal "ending" a year after he signed a 20 year deal caused montreal to happen. And everyone but bret is on shawn's side on the montreal thing in this, without mentioning that bret offered to lose to *anyone* but shawn to lose the title. And kevin owens saying he didn't know vince was the owner in 1997 and that he was just a commentator, lol. I like watching these shows and all, but the "here's our version of things" can get ridiculous with these things KO didn’t speak English when he started watching. He learned from watching. So explicitly stating Vince owned the company didn’t mean anything to him. He literally didn’t understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 22:01:37 GMT -5
"bret's contract was coming to an end" at the end of 97 is now the official story I guess. I busted out laughing when they tried to convince me of that. He signed a 20 year deal in mid 96 and vince came to bret and told him he was breaking it and to go get his wcw deal in mid 97. This show is saying bret's deal "ending" a year after he signed a 20 year deal caused montreal to happen. And everyone but bret is on shawn's side on the montreal thing in this, without mentioning that bret offered to lose to *anyone* but shawn to lose the title. And kevin owens saying he didn't know vince was the owner in 1997 and that he was just a commentator, lol. I like watching these shows and all, but the "here's our version of things" can get ridiculous with these things KO didn’t speak English when he started watching. He learned from watching. So explicitly stating Vince owned the company didn’t mean anything to him. He literally didn’t understand. So they got the one guy on their roster that didn't speak the language at the time as one of their "I was watching/there at the time" talking head pieces? That would be like AAA in mexico doing a retrospective piece about two people feuding from the 90s in their fed, and getting some american guy on to give a "I loved watching the show but I couldn't understand a word of what anyone was saying" statement for it. That's a funny image that other companies would use for comedy/a break in the action of the documentary, but of course the wwe takes it seriously If he's from quebec/france-canadian, and only spoke french, do they not have a concept of "the guy in charge that owns the company"? I was just thinking that even if you don't understand the language of a foreign country, you would still have a concept of "there's a guy that owns and is in charge of this, and even if it isn't vince, he's sure involved enough to at least be high up in the company and not just a random announcer that they hired" staying on the topic of vince, but getting off of kevin owens: (I had the videos, but there's the linking copyrighted videos rule, so I'll just write the date instead) raw march 15 1993, 55 minutes in, "vince mcmahon, president ceo, titan sports/world wrestling federation" it was acknowledged on the air all along. a week later raw march 22 1993 5 minutes in "The man behind the wwf....vince is my boss (and then vince comes out to the rocky theme, lol)" - hulk. When bret came back in 1996, the camera wasn't focusing on vince sighing with relief when bret said he was staying with the wwf forever because he was the lead announcer. Bob eucker (in the 80s for wrestlemania), sable (1997 slammys), diesel "not some corporate puppet that you decided to create, vince!" (the raw after survivor series 1995), the federal government steroid trial, "how much did it cost mcmahon" - pettingill, "my grandfather promoted his matches, my dad, and I've had the honor as well" - vince (1996 slammys) all acknowledged vince owned the company. Those are all on wwf television. If you watched anything non-wwf (news pieces about wrestling, the history of wrestling, any of the steroid stuff openly said vince owned it, etc), they openly said he owned it Montreal wasn't some "oh my god, vince is the owner, I never knew that!" moment. It was more "they're going full heel as the cartoon evil owner" moment. Instead of staying in the background to narrate and commentate his show that other people are performing, he was now going to be a character on the show and be the evil cartoon ebenezer scrooge to bob cratchit steve austin. Because in a time when the wrestlers are jumping around between companies, vince knows he never going to leave his own company, so he'll just make himself as the lead heel on the show. The point of all of this was I was just remarking on the wwe declaring the "official history" of something, that is different than what actually happened in real life, once again. The "bret's contract was running out in the lead up to the survivor series, even though he just signed a 20 year contract the year before, and vince was the one who came to bret to break it, so we had to get the belt off of him before he showed up in wcw with it", and showing madusa with the women's belt, and having everyone else on the show other than bret be on the "bret was wrong" side. This show was really painting out bret to be the bad guy, and "even though shawn was a pain and awful to be around, at least he was a good company guy that stood up for himself, while bret was running" was basically the narrative of this. That, along with "no one knew vince really owned the company", like it was a national state secret, made me laugh pretty good, with "...this is what were going with here eh?" vibes to it
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 11, 2022 22:21:05 GMT -5
KO didn’t speak English when he started watching. He learned from watching. So explicitly stating Vince owned the company didn’t mean anything to him. He literally didn’t understand. So they got the one guy on their roster that didn't speak the language at the time as one of their "I was watching/there at the time" talking head pieces? That would be like AAA in mexico doing a retrospective piece about two people feuding from the 90s in their fed, and getting some american guy on to give a "I loved watching the show but I couldn't understand a word of what anyone was saying" statement for it. That's a funny image that other companies would use for comedy/a break in the action of the documentary, but of course the wwe takes it seriously If he's from quebec/france-canadian, and only spoke french, do they not have a concept of "the guy in charge that owns the company"? I was just thinking that even if you don't understand the language of a foreign country, you would still have a concept of "there's a guy that owns and is in charge of this, and even if it isn't vince, he's sure involved enough to at least be high up in the company and not just a random announcer that they hired" staying on the topic of vince, but getting off of kevin owens: (I had the videos, but there's the linking copyrighted videos rule, so I'll just write the date instead) raw march 15 1993, 55 minutes in, "vince mcmahon, president ceo, titan sports/world wrestling federation" it was acknowledged on the air all along. a week later raw march 22 1993 5 minutes in "The man behind the wwf....vince is my boss (and then vince comes out to the rocky theme, lol)" - hulk. When bret came back in 1996, the camera wasn't focusing on vince sighing with relief when bret said he was staying with the wwf forever because he was the lead announcer. Bob eucker (in the 80s for wrestlemania), sable (1997 slammys), diesel "not some corporate puppet that you decided to create, vince!" (the raw after survivor series 1995), the federal government steroid trial, "how much did it cost mcmahon" - pettingill, "my grandfather promoted his matches, my dad, and I've had the honor as well" - vince (1996 slammys) all acknowledged vince owned the company. Those are all on wwf television. If you watched anything non-wwf (news pieces about wrestling, the history of wrestling, any of the steroid stuff openly said vince owned it, etc), they openly said he owned it Montreal wasn't some "oh my god, vince is the owner, I never knew that!" moment. It was more "they're going full heel as the cartoon evil owner" moment. Instead of staying in the background to narrate and commentate his show that other people are performing, he was now going to be a character on the show and be the evil cartoon ebenezer scrooge to bob cratchit steve austin. Because in a time when the wrestlers are jumping around between companies, vince knows he never going to leave his own company, so he'll just make himself as the lead heel on the show. The point of all of this was I was just remarking on the wwe declaring the "official history" of something, that is different than what actually happened in real life, once again. The "bret's contract was running out in the lead up to the survivor series, even though he just signed a 20 year contract the year before, and vince was the one who came to bret to break it, so we had to get the belt off of him before he showed up in wcw with it", and showing madusa with the women's belt, and having everyone else on the show other than bret be on the "bret was wrong" side. This show was really painting out bret to be the bad guy, and "even though shawn was a pain and awful to be around, at least he was a good company guy that stood up for himself, while bret was running" was basically the narrative of this. That, along with "no one knew vince really owned the company", like it was a national state secret, made me laugh pretty good, with "...this is what were going with here eh?" vibes to it Yes. Just because KO didn't understand what language was being spoken didn't mean he didn't watch. I watched plenty of PPVs in Spanish, because that was free. I still watched. Jericho did a whole talk show in Mexico to learn his gimmick. He didn't speak Spanish, they didn't speak English. Also, technically speaking, Bret's contract WAS running out prior to Survivor Series. It was up in December and his WCW began. I guess it's kind of a lie by omission, but it's not not true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2022 23:23:18 GMT -5
So they got the one guy on their roster that didn't speak the language at the time as one of their "I was watching/there at the time" talking head pieces? That would be like AAA in mexico doing a retrospective piece about two people feuding from the 90s in their fed, and getting some american guy on to give a "I loved watching the show but I couldn't understand a word of what anyone was saying" statement for it. That's a funny image that other companies would use for comedy/a break in the action of the documentary, but of course the wwe takes it seriously If he's from quebec/france-canadian, and only spoke french, do they not have a concept of "the guy in charge that owns the company"? I was just thinking that even if you don't understand the language of a foreign country, you would still have a concept of "there's a guy that owns and is in charge of this, and even if it isn't vince, he's sure involved enough to at least be high up in the company and not just a random announcer that they hired" staying on the topic of vince, but getting off of kevin owens: (I had the videos, but there's the linking copyrighted videos rule, so I'll just write the date instead) raw march 15 1993, 55 minutes in, "vince mcmahon, president ceo, titan sports/world wrestling federation" it was acknowledged on the air all along. a week later raw march 22 1993 5 minutes in "The man behind the wwf....vince is my boss (and then vince comes out to the rocky theme, lol)" - hulk. When bret came back in 1996, the camera wasn't focusing on vince sighing with relief when bret said he was staying with the wwf forever because he was the lead announcer. Bob eucker (in the 80s for wrestlemania), sable (1997 slammys), diesel "not some corporate puppet that you decided to create, vince!" (the raw after survivor series 1995), the federal government steroid trial, "how much did it cost mcmahon" - pettingill, "my grandfather promoted his matches, my dad, and I've had the honor as well" - vince (1996 slammys) all acknowledged vince owned the company. Those are all on wwf television. If you watched anything non-wwf (news pieces about wrestling, the history of wrestling, any of the steroid stuff openly said vince owned it, etc), they openly said he owned it Montreal wasn't some "oh my god, vince is the owner, I never knew that!" moment. It was more "they're going full heel as the cartoon evil owner" moment. Instead of staying in the background to narrate and commentate his show that other people are performing, he was now going to be a character on the show and be the evil cartoon ebenezer scrooge to bob cratchit steve austin. Because in a time when the wrestlers are jumping around between companies, vince knows he never going to leave his own company, so he'll just make himself as the lead heel on the show. The point of all of this was I was just remarking on the wwe declaring the "official history" of something, that is different than what actually happened in real life, once again. The "bret's contract was running out in the lead up to the survivor series, even though he just signed a 20 year contract the year before, and vince was the one who came to bret to break it, so we had to get the belt off of him before he showed up in wcw with it", and showing madusa with the women's belt, and having everyone else on the show other than bret be on the "bret was wrong" side. This show was really painting out bret to be the bad guy, and "even though shawn was a pain and awful to be around, at least he was a good company guy that stood up for himself, while bret was running" was basically the narrative of this. That, along with "no one knew vince really owned the company", like it was a national state secret, made me laugh pretty good, with "...this is what were going with here eh?" vibes to it Yes. Just because KO didn't understand what language was being spoken didn't mean he didn't watch. I watched plenty of PPVs in Spanish, because that was free. I still watched. Jericho did a whole talk show in Mexico to learn his gimmick. He didn't speak Spanish, they didn't speak English. Also, technically speaking, Bret's contract WAS running out prior to Survivor Series. It was up in December and his WCW began. I guess it's kind of a lie by omission, but it's not not true. That's what I'm saying though, I watch some spanish wrestling here and there, and I can't understand a word of it when they talk, but since wrestling is visual/physical, you can pick up on what's going on and follow along. But if the company were doing a documentary on the backstage fights of two of their wrestlers and the company, I wouldn't be the first go-to for a talking head on it. That's just a comical decision. For example, they had tj and nattie on this, but they were related to bret and around him and the family, and tj later on said he was the go between between shawn and bret coming back together at the end. So there's a reason for them to be interviewed. Kevin owens is there for the "guy currently in the company for the younger fans to relate to" talking head, except, if he can't understand the language and only knows what is visually on the screen, how would you use that as a commentary on what was happening at the time? "I didn't know vince was the owner, I thought he was just a commentator!" is coming from the point of view of not understanding a word that anyone is saying, lol. So they would have left out a big piece of kevin owens' point of view by including that statement from him on this. The contract thing, it seems like they tried to present the 1996 signing as the 1997 situation. "His contract was running out" makes it seems as if it's his existing contract was running out. Not "vince broke the existing deal, opened a window of time for him to negotiate the wcw deal, sign with wcw, and his end date with wwf is approaching" his contract is running out. They presented it as "his existing contract is running out and he's decided to go to other company, but he's our champion, and here's madusa throwing the women's title in the trash, so company man shawn michaels stepped in to save the day" kind of thing. And they never mention bret saying he was fine losing the belt to anyone other than shawn, or give bret any kind of defense in the situation, all of the talking heads are "bret was wrong, do what's best for the company, etc". Just my impressions while watching the show. I enjoy watching wrestling on other channels and seeing something different like this and those a and e biography shows, but some of the timeline stuff being out of order to present things differently drives me nuts, along with the "it didn't happen the way you remember it....this is the official company version of the events" way it comes across. move on with the thread
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 12, 2022 9:19:34 GMT -5
Yes. Just because KO didn't understand what language was being spoken didn't mean he didn't watch. I watched plenty of PPVs in Spanish, because that was free. I still watched. Jericho did a whole talk show in Mexico to learn his gimmick. He didn't speak Spanish, they didn't speak English. Also, technically speaking, Bret's contract WAS running out prior to Survivor Series. It was up in December and his WCW began. I guess it's kind of a lie by omission, but it's not not true. That's what I'm saying though, I watch some spanish wrestling here and there, and I can't understand a word of it when they talk, but since wrestling is visual/physical, you can pick up on what's going on and follow along. But if the company were doing a documentary on the backstage fights of two of their wrestlers and the company, I wouldn't be the first go-to for a talking head on it. That's just a comical decision. For example, they had tj and nattie on this, but they were related to bret and around him and the family, and tj later on said he was the go between between shawn and bret coming back together at the end. So there's a reason for them to be interviewed. Kevin owens is there for the "guy currently in the company for the younger fans to relate to" talking head, except, if he can't understand the language and only knows what is visually on the screen, how would you use that as a commentary on what was happening at the time? "I didn't know vince was the owner, I thought he was just a commentator!" is coming from the point of view of not understanding a word that anyone is saying, lol. So they would have left out a big piece of kevin owens' point of view by including that statement from him on this. The contract thing, it seems like they tried to present the 1996 signing as the 1997 situation. "His contract was running out" makes it seems as if it's his existing contract was running out. Not "vince broke the existing deal, opened a window of time for him to negotiate the wcw deal, sign with wcw, and his end date with wwf is approaching" his contract is running out. They presented it as "his existing contract is running out and he's decided to go to other company, but he's our champion, and here's madusa throwing the women's title in the trash, so company man shawn michaels stepped in to save the day" kind of thing. And they never mention bret saying he was fine losing the belt to anyone other than shawn, or give bret any kind of defense in the situation, all of the talking heads are "bret was wrong, do what's best for the company, etc". Just my impressions while watching the show. I enjoy watching wrestling on other channels and seeing something different like this and those a and e biography shows, but some of the timeline stuff being out of order to present things differently drives me nuts, along with the "it didn't happen the way you remember it....this is the official company version of the events" way it comes across. move on with the thread As a kid in 1997, I thought Vince was just a commentator too.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 24, 2022 18:19:44 GMT -5
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jul 24, 2022 23:38:00 GMT -5
I wish these were available in the UK
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 24, 2022 23:56:57 GMT -5
I wish these were available in the UK They're on-line if you don't mind it not being legal exactly. They can be found.
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