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Post by Some Guy on Jul 11, 2022 18:24:33 GMT -5
Orton/HHH for me. Some of the others may be worse worked on a technical level I guess, but this just stunk. They had a RED hot feud going in with pure hatred/heat between them then just wrestled a boring match with the worst ending possible. Orton can blame Shawn/Taker going on before all he wants, that was not the issue and he should realize it since a Cena/Edge/Big Show match was sandwiched in between and was a perfectly solid match.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -5
Triple H vs Roman was an absolute bore but it could be Mania was going in for like 6 hours at that point. I've rewatched it on its own since and it's still a terrible match. It's basically every bloated Triple H super heel match you've ever seen of him completely dominating while running through all his spots except compounded by a crowd that doesn't give a shit, Roman being terrible at selling, and the commentators endlessly screaming about how it's the most epic thing ever.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 11, 2022 18:35:03 GMT -5
I had to go with Taker. They’re all terrible. But Roman v. Taker was just sad. It wasn’t boring, it wasn’t badly booked, it was just sad. Taker became everything he said he wouldn’t.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 11, 2022 18:53:26 GMT -5
Roman vs Taker was the drizzling shits.
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Post by asuka007 on Jul 11, 2022 19:06:24 GMT -5
Roman vs. Triple H for me:
It was a match no one wanted.
It was at the end of a very long night that was not that great overall.
It was a guy no one wanted.
Everyone knew the ending before it even started.
It went in for like half an hour.
Etc.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 11, 2022 19:59:11 GMT -5
Taker vs Reigns easily. Taker was well past his best days and Reigns was not good enough to carry a guy like that and what we got was a 30 minute slog that felt like 2 hours. That was one of the saddest displays I've ever seen.
Triple H/Orton- deflating and questionable Cena/Miz - had zero chance and was more a vehicle for the Rock/Cena match. Then you factor in the concussion? Oooof HHH/Reigns- Another Triple H slogfest with a guy that he had zero chemistry with. Reigns/Lesnar 34/38- The prototype that we cannot escape.
I can't believe how many stinkers we have had this era. And Reigns was in most of them.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 11, 2022 20:12:09 GMT -5
Since Taker/Reigns seems to be the consensus, would the feeling about it change at all if they went through with what was teased? Would we still care about the match being awful if Taker did retire for good and Roman embarked on a mega heel run the next night on Raw?
It’s like how they never show clips from the Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Rock or Brock/Taker matches (well, Hogan slamming Andre and Brock pinning Taker). The matches themselves weren’t anything special but the spectacle around them makes you sort of not care that much. If they actually stuck to the ending they started, would we care so much about Roman/Taker being so lousy?
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 11, 2022 20:18:13 GMT -5
Since Taker/Reigns seems to be the consensus, would the feeling about it change at all if they went through with what was teased? Would we still care about the match being awful if Taker did retire for good and Roman embarked on a mega heel run the next night on Raw? It’s like how they never show clips from the Hogan/Andre, Hogan/Rock or Brock/Taker matches (well, Hogan slamming Andre and Brock pinning Taker). The matches themselves weren’t anything special but the spectacle around them makes you sort of not care that much. If they actually stuck to the ending they started, would we care so much about Roman/Taker being so lousy? I don't think there was a chance that Roman was going to stick heel after that despite the big heel promo the next night. The commentary made it pretty obvious that this was still "Bizzaro land lol!" That said it'd still likely be seen just as shitty it's not like they show it off all that often as it is.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Jul 11, 2022 21:19:44 GMT -5
I'll say it: Roman's mostly had bad at worst/boring at best WM main events. Key word MOSTLY. The only good one was the 3 Way with Seth/Brock, but Seth brought most of that energy and "goodness". Seth was in the match for like A minute, wtf? Lol
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 22:06:08 GMT -5
Honestly the reason Roman / Brock at Mania 31 worked and none of their other matches have is it's the only one that actually had a narrative. The story was pretty clear - Roman prepped to take everything Cena did at SummerSlam, was fully equipped to weather the storm while just waiting for Brock to make a mistake. It's simple but it works, and it helped a lot that the Cena SummerSlam match at that point was really the only other one Brock had done that did the whole Suplex City thing before it turned into all he could be assed to do from then on. Every match since has just been an idiotic spotfest from two guys who only have two spots apiece.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jul 11, 2022 22:07:59 GMT -5
Cena vs. Miz because it had zero to do with one of the people in the match AND it sucked.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 22:14:06 GMT -5
Orton/HHH for me. Some of the others may be worse worked on a technical level I guess, but this just stunk. They had a RED hot feud going in with pure hatred/heat between them then just wrestled a boring match with the worst ending possible. Orton can blame Shawn/Taker going on before all he wants, that was not the issue and he should realize it since a Cena/Edge/Big Show match was sandwiched in between and was a perfectly solid match. Honestly the biggest problem with Orton / Triple H is they just didn't understand the story they were telling. I think WWE thought that this was the story of some detested villain looking for a cheap way out and finally getting his comeuppance, but what the build was calling for and what the crowd was wanting was for the bad guy to win this one. Really they had two options that could have worked - either drop the stupid title changes hands on a DQ rule and have an insane run-in-filled war (which they likely didn't do because of how the feud kind of limped on for months after that - does anyone even remember their Three Stages of Hell match?) OR keep the DQ rule and instead have Orton push Triple H to the point that HHH ultimately decides he's more invested in hurting Orton than keeping the belt, leading to Orton leaving battered and broken but ultimately successful. Either one of those could have been a satisfying story to tell and instead they went for the underwhelming slog with a result nobody wanted. It doesn't really help the actual match itself is insanely one-sided, I'm wanting to say after the initial RKO it's like ten minutes in before Orton gets any further offense whatsoever.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 11, 2022 22:24:54 GMT -5
Honestly the reason Roman / Brock at Mania 31 worked and none of their other matches have is it's the only one that actually had a narrative. The story was pretty clear - Roman prepped to take everything Cena did at SummerSlam, was fully equipped to weather the storm while just waiting for Brock to make a mistake. It's simple but it works, and it helped a lot that the Cena SummerSlam match at that point was really the only other one Brock had done that did the whole Suplex City thing before it turned into all he could be assed to do from then on. Every match since has just been an idiotic spotfest from two guys who only have two spots apiece. the only problem was the timing really... Roman was soundly rejected for like 4-5 months at that point... and they really didn't do anything to try and right the ship... and after the abysmal Rumble I'm not even fully sure what they could have f***ing done.... Orton/HHH for me. Some of the others may be worse worked on a technical level I guess, but this just stunk. They had a RED hot feud going in with pure hatred/heat between them then just wrestled a boring match with the worst ending possible. Orton can blame Shawn/Taker going on before all he wants, that was not the issue and he should realize it since a Cena/Edge/Big Show match was sandwiched in between and was a perfectly solid match. Honestly the biggest problem with Orton / Triple H is they just didn't understand the story they were telling. I think WWE thought that this was the story of some detested villain looking for a cheap way out and finally getting his comeuppance, but what the build was calling for and what the crowd was wanting was for the bad guy to win this one. Really they had two options that could have worked - either drop the stupid title changes hands on a DQ rule and have an insane run-in-filled war (which they likely didn't do because of how the feud kind of limped on for months after that - does anyone even remember their Three Stages of Hell match?) OR keep the DQ rule and instead have Orton push Triple H to the point that HHH ultimately decides he's more invested in hurting Orton than keeping the belt, leading to Orton leaving battered and broken but ultimately successful. Either one of those could have been a satisfying story to tell and instead they went for the underwhelming slog with a result nobody wanted. It doesn't really help the actual match itself is insanely one-sided, I'm wanting to say after the initial RKO it's like ten minutes in before Orton gets any further offense whatsoever. I mean this was one of the two hate each other so much they were breaking into each other's houses and trying to beat the shit out of each other... and... it starts with a collar and elbow tie up! The match needed to be a NO DQ slug fest... the two of them just beating each other pillar to post... if it was actually like that then it would probably have worked regardless of who wins.
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jul 11, 2022 22:29:37 GMT -5
Roman vs Taker: -Not a title match. -Not as anticipated as past dream matches (Cena-Rock, Hogan-Rock) -It was a 4 week storyline that took precedence over half year or decade storylines. -At the peak of crowd Roman hate. - Roman seemingly got rewarded the main event after being suspended the summer before. -Taker not being in the best shape that year.
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Post by Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh on Jul 11, 2022 22:35:25 GMT -5
I voted Roman vs. Brock at WM34.
Probably the first WM main event where I was like, "What the f**k was even the point of that?"
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Post by Pure Fusion Jesse Walsh on Jul 11, 2022 22:36:43 GMT -5
Also, the women's triple threat is better than everything on this list and does not belong in this discussion.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 22:51:02 GMT -5
Also, the women's triple threat is better than everything on this list and does not belong in this discussion. I'm reminded of when someone, I think they've been banned by this point, was going off on a weird unprompted tangent about how women shouldn't ever main event Mania again because, "They had their chance and blew it," as if, 1), women are some kind of uniform hivemind, 2), the match was even that bad as opposed to just kind of middling with a tired crowd and a botched ending, and 3), there hadn't been plenty of shitty WrestleMania main events featuring men.
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Post by Facetious on Jul 11, 2022 23:12:32 GMT -5
Really they had two options that could have worked - either drop the stupid title changes hands on a DQ rule and have an insane run-in-filled war (which they likely didn't do because of how the feud kind of limped on for months after that - does anyone even remember their Three Stages of Hell match?) OR keep the DQ rule and instead have Orton push Triple H to the point that HHH ultimately decides he's more invested in hurting Orton than keeping the belt, leading to Orton leaving battered and broken but ultimately successful. Either one of those could have been a satisfying story to tell and instead they went for the underwhelming slog with a result nobody wanted. It doesn't really help the actual match itself is insanely one-sided, I'm wanting to say after the initial RKO it's like ten minutes in before Orton gets any further offense whatsoever. I mean this was one of the two hate each other so much they were breaking into each other's houses and trying to beat the shit out of each other... and... it starts with a collar and elbow tie up! The match needed to be a NO DQ slug fest... the two of them just beating each other pillar to post... if it was actually like that then it would probably have worked regardless of who wins. Honestly, a slug fest with Triple H barely surviving the psycho Randy onslaught would have been a million times better
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Jul 11, 2022 23:35:42 GMT -5
HHH/Orton deserved to be the main event. That build was red hot. I wasn't even mad at HHH winning. But it was just... boring.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 11, 2022 23:37:12 GMT -5
I wouldn’t even really consider 27, honestly, too much of an asterisk there with Miz’s concussion.
Ever watch the Miz 24/7 that came out a few months ago?
Poor guy was knocked goofy to the point he can’t remember it.
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